thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.

That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it
in it's entirety.


I wonder if SW Tom is on Bob MacGuffie's email list.
MacGuffie is the Connecticut reich-wingnut circulating memos on how to
disrupt town hall meetings.

On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:37:10 -0400, H the K
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.

That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it
in it's entirety.

I wonder if SW Tom is on Bob MacGuffie's email list.
MacGuffie is the Connecticut reich-wingnut circulating memos on how to
disrupt town hall meetings.

Harry, I know Bob MacGuffie very well. He's a total loon. A very nice
guy, but a total freakin' loon.

He has exactly 15 perople who subscribe to his email list. And I'm not
one of them.

That's some POWERFUL right wing organizer huh? In particular where
he's not even an Republican.

However, speaking of organizing,

http://fderfler.posterous.com/livebl...stors-town-hal

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_252720.html

Hmmm - let's see - genuine citizens concerned about their future
health care being removed from their control against ogranized Union
thugs and ACORN Organizers.

I wonder.

Here's what you don't get Harry - People are ****ed off. They are
pushing back against what they see as radicalism and leftist
philosophy. Every person I've talked to about specifics in the HC bill
- what this does, what that does, get angry and concerned.

They also want to know why the "elites" and Unions aren't being made
to play in the same pool as the ordinary citizen.

And frankly, you should be concerned too because as a self-employer,
you aren't gonig to be covered by Union health care anymore.

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:37:10 -0400, H the K
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.
That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't read it
in it's entirety.
I wonder if SW Tom is on Bob MacGuffie's email list.
MacGuffie is the Connecticut reich-wingnut circulating memos on how to
disrupt town hall meetings.

Harry, I know Bob MacGuffie very well. He's a total loon. A very nice
guy, but a total freakin' loon.

He has exactly 15 perople who subscribe to his email list. And I'm not
one of them.

That's some POWERFUL right wing organizer huh? In particular where
he's not even an Republican.

However, speaking of organizing,

http://fderfler.posterous.com/livebl...stors-town-hal

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_252720.html

Hmmm - let's see - genuine citizens concerned about their future
health care being removed from their control against ogranized Union
thugs and ACORN Organizers.

I wonder.

Here's what you don't get Harry - People are ****ed off. They are
pushing back against what they see as radicalism and leftist
philosophy. Every person I've talked to about specifics in the HC bill
- what this does, what that does, get angry and concerned.

They also want to know why the "elites" and Unions aren't being made
to play in the same pool as the ordinary citizen.
1Z76508R0315298452


And frankly, you should be concerned too because as a self-employer,
you aren't gonig to be covered by Union health care anymore.


Please, Tom, save your b.s. for the weak-minded "believers" here, eh? It
is patently obvious the Republicans are engaged in an organized campaign
to disrupt town hall meetings discussing health care issues.

I appreciate that many Americans are concerned. Some are going to town
hall meetings to get answers. Sadly, at some of those meetings,
Republi-thugs are disrupting the meetings.

Oh...my personal health care insurance has no connection with my
self-employed status. Sorry. :)

H the K wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:37:10 -0400, H the K
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:


I left after the congressional staffer for my rep, the AARP
representative and two other people (I don't remember who they worked
for - Dodd or Lieberman) said that they couldn't answer specific
questions about the bill itself - they could only discuss "policy
issues" related to the health care bill.
That would seem to be understandable. The bill is not in it's final
form. Plus, as you say, there is a very good chance they haven't
read it in it's entirety.
I wonder if SW Tom is on Bob MacGuffie's email list.
MacGuffie is the Connecticut reich-wingnut circulating memos on how
to disrupt town hall meetings.

Harry, I know Bob MacGuffie very well. He's a total loon. A very nice
guy, but a total freakin' loon.

He has exactly 15 perople who subscribe to his email list. And I'm not
one of them.

That's some POWERFUL right wing organizer huh? In particular where
he's not even an Republican.
However, speaking of organizing,
http://fderfler.posterous.com/livebl...stors-town-hal


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_252720.html


Hmmm - let's see - genuine citizens concerned about their future
health care being removed from their control against ogranized Union
thugs and ACORN Organizers.

I wonder.

Here's what you don't get Harry - People are ****ed off. They are
pushing back against what they see as radicalism and leftist
philosophy. Every person I've talked to about specifics in the HC bill
- what this does, what that does, get angry and concerned.

They also want to know why the "elites" and Unions aren't being made
to play in the same pool as the ordinary citizen. 1Z76508R0315298452


And frankly, you should be concerned too because as a self-employer,
you aren't gonig to be covered by Union health care anymore.


Please, Tom, save your b.s. for the weak-minded "believers" here, eh? It
is patently obvious the Republicans are engaged in an organized campaign
to disrupt town hall meetings discussing health care issues.

Great spin Harry. Too bad it isn't true. Just like the tea parties the
bi-partisan uprising surrounding health care is a grass roots genuine
one and not a David Axelrod astro-turf manufactured one.

I appreciate that many Americans are concerned. Some are going to town
hall meetings to get answers. Sadly, at some of those meetings,
Republi-thugs are disrupting the meetings.

The Community Organizer and Chief Barack Hussein Obama has unleashed the
his corps of brown ****s, known as ACORN, and the true thugs will be
out in force now. As we have already seen ACORN will be packing the town
hall meetings before the doors are "opened" to the public only to find
that the town hall is already at capacity.

Good by 1st amendment.

Oh...my personal health care insurance has no connection with my
self-employed status. Sorry. :)

We know you have been leeching off of a union that you haven't actually
worked for in 40 years. It is too bad they haven't figured out that you
are only a member to reap the benefits from those poor working stiffs.

BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:

Please, Tom, save your b.s. for the weak-minded "believers" here, eh?
It is patently obvious the Republicans are engaged in an organized
campaign to disrupt town hall meetings discussing health care issues.

Great spin Harry. Too bad it isn't true. Just like the tea parties the
bi-partisan uprising surrounding health care is a grass roots genuine
one and not a David Axelrod astro-turf manufactured one.

Videos taken at these meetings are all over the news, bertie. Maybe not
on fox, though, eh?




I appreciate that many Americans are concerned. Some are going to town
hall meetings to get answers. Sadly, at some of those meetings,
Republi-thugs are disrupting the meetings.

The Community Organizer and Chief Barack Hussein Obama has unleashed the
his corps of brown ****s, known as ACORN, and the true thugs will be
out in force now. As we have already seen ACORN will be packing the town
hall meetings before the doors are "opened" to the public only to find
that the town hall is already at capacity.

Good by 1st amendment.

Oh...my personal health care insurance has no connection with my
self-employed status. Sorry. :)

We know you have been leeching off of a union that you haven't actually
worked for in 40 years. It is too bad they haven't figured out that you
are only a member to reap the benefits from those poor working stiffs.

You know nothing of the kind. Perhaps if you had gone to college instead
of into the marines, your mind might have been trained.

H the K wrote:
BAR wrote:
H the K wrote:

Please, Tom, save your b.s. for the weak-minded "believers" here, eh?
It is patently obvious the Republicans are engaged in an organized
campaign to disrupt town hall meetings discussing health care issues.

Great spin Harry. Too bad it isn't true. Just like the tea parties the
bi-partisan uprising surrounding health care is a grass roots genuine
one and not a David Axelrod astro-turf manufactured one.

Videos taken at these meetings are all over the news, bertie. Maybe not
on fox, though, eh?

Everyone knows that the violence at the town halls and the tea parties
started when the union thugs and Democrat party thugs started showing
up. Again, nice try at spinning but the public record does not support
you position.

I appreciate that many Americans are concerned. Some are going to
town hall meetings to get answers. Sadly, at some of those meetings,
Republi-thugs are disrupting the meetings.

The Community Organizer and Chief Barack Hussein Obama has unleashed
the his corps of brown ****s, known as ACORN, and the true thugs will
be out in force now. As we have already seen ACORN will be packing the
town hall meetings before the doors are "opened" to the public only to
find that the town hall is already at capacity.

Good by 1st amendment.

Oh...my personal health care insurance has no connection with my
self-employed status. Sorry. :)

We know you have been leeching off of a union that you haven't
actually worked for in 40 years. It is too bad they haven't figured
out that you are only a member to reap the benefits from those poor
working stiffs.

You know nothing of the kind. Perhaps if you had gone to college instead
of into the marines, your mind might have been trained.

Sure I do you have stated that your affiliation with the union was so
that you could take advantage of their benefits. You haven't done a days
worth of physical labor in 40 years either.

College is over rated.

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:37:10 -0400, H the K
wrote:

thunder wrote:
On Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:38:53 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:



to play in the same pool as the ordinary citizen.

And frankly, you should be concerned too because as a self-employer,
you aren't gonig to be covered by Union health care anymore.

This thread wander from its original purpose. I think it is absolutely
ridiculous that a sitting president would think that he could collect
information on those that do not agree with his ideas. While the
liberals have trivialized collection of the names, I am sure the people
of Germany trivialized the thing Hitler was doing in the mid 1930's.
The only way an obvious wrong can be lived with is if you can some way
rationalize it to make it seem right. I am not saying obama is a
Hitler, evolving rationalization of an increasing wrong is easier than
standing up and not accepting it in the first place.

As for health care, the cost is directly proportional strength of the 0%
risk mind set of the American people. Doctor malpractice insurance
should be a minimal factor in the operation of their practice, but it is
not. Doctors over medicate and over test to make themselves less liable
to malpractice. (If you say you have a problem, a doctor must prescribe
and test, or else he is negligent.) (Remember a doctor has never
claimed to know medicine he is always practicing. This is acceptable as
every person present a different system of variables for a drug to work in)

Government regulations have driven up the cost of medication requiring
drug companies to devote 30 to 40% of their staff to monitoring new
regulations, interpreting regulations, and enforcing regulations in the
manufacturing operations.

Finally regardless of how good or bad and an idea is if you can not
afford it it is a bad idea. Our deficit in the first six month of
obama's administration is 5 time what the obama objected to when he
campaigned against President Bush.(nearly 2 Trillion dollars) President
Bush saw the need to help the financial institutions. After a lot of
foot dragging obama final instituted those measures and the economy has
rebounded. (Up nearly 50% from where it was at the end of the obama
plunge). His stimulus package has not yet had an effect on the economy
as less that 20% of the money has been spent. The only thing he has
done correctly is the institution of to TAX cuts for home purchases and
the auto tax rebate system. (Which was miss handled)