On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:47:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:03:55 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at
Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible
for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful
occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a
home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said.

"That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society,"
Weinblatt said. "The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the
bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional."

And that is absolulutely correct. The police need training to back
down gracefully, make their apologies and leave once the true
situation is known. A certain amount of racial profiling is probably
inevitable in police work but professionalism and respect can make the
difference in how it is perceived.

No offense Wayne, but there has to be something wrong with folks who
aren't cops telling cops how to be cops.

The officer in question has witnesses, including a responding black
officer, who verified his statements. The officer in question has the
training in racial profiling and teaches it. He is a decorated
officer and has been recognized as one of the best.

Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something.

On 7/23/09 5:45 PM, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:47:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at
Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible
for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful
occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a
home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said.

"That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society,"
Weinblatt said. "The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the
bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional."

And that is absolulutely correct. The police need training to back
down gracefully, make their apologies and leave once the true
situation is known. A certain amount of racial profiling is probably
inevitable in police work but professionalism and respect can make the
difference in how it is perceived.

No offense Wayne, but there has to be something wrong with folks who
aren't cops telling cops how to be cops.

The officer in question has witnesses, including a responding black
officer, who verified his statements. The officer in question has the
training in racial profiling and teaches it. He is a decorated
officer and has been recognized as one of the best.

Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something.


Cops lying for cops lying for cops lying for cops.

What else is new?




--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

"H the K" wrote in message
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On 7/23/09 5:45 PM, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

The officer in question has witnesses, including a responding black
officer, who verified his statements. The officer in question has the
training in racial profiling and teaches it. He is a decorated
officer and has been recognized as one of the best.

Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something.




Cops lying for cops lying for cops lying for cops.

What else is new?


Harry, your logic circuit breaker tripped again. Reset it, read Tom's post
again and try again.

Eisboch

On 7/23/09 6:01 PM, Eisboch wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
m...

On 7/23/09 5:45 PM, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

The officer in question has witnesses, including a responding black
officer, who verified his statements. The officer in question has the
training in racial profiling and teaches it. He is a decorated
officer and has been recognized as one of the best.

Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something.




Cops lying for cops lying for cops lying for cops.

What else is new?


Harry, your logic circuit breaker tripped again. Reset it, read Tom's
post again and try again.

Eisboch



Tom has a kid who is a cop. Therefore, he is predisposed to believe cops.

I am not so predisposed.

The sergeant should have known better. He overreacted to a nearly
60-year old slightly built man who needs a cane to get around. The cop
should have said, "Sorry, we're just doing our jobs...have a nice
day..." and left.

As for one cop vouching for another...I'm not impressed.

Remember Amadou Bailo Diallo, the 23-year-old Guinean immigrant in New
York City who was shot and killed on February 4, 1999 by four New York
City Police Department plain-clothed officers? You know...the subject of
the song 41 Shots? The case in which Diallo was murdered by out of
control cops who lied for each other and got off?





--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

"H the K" wrote in message
m...


Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something.




Cops lying for cops lying for cops lying for cops.

What else is new?


Harry, your logic circuit breaker tripped again. Reset it, read Tom's
post again and try again.

Eisboch



Tom has a kid who is a cop. Therefore, he is predisposed to believe cops.

I am not so predisposed.




Forget the cops since you don't trust any.

I was talking about this part of Tom's post:

"Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something."


You opted to ignore that part.

Eisboch

On 7/23/09 6:54 PM, Eisboch wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
m...


Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something.




Cops lying for cops lying for cops lying for cops.

What else is new?


Harry, your logic circuit breaker tripped again. Reset it, read Tom's
post again and try again.

Eisboch



Tom has a kid who is a cop. Therefore, he is predisposed to believe cops.

I am not so predisposed.




Forget the cops since you don't trust any.

I was talking about this part of Tom's post:

"Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something."


You opted to ignore that part.

Eisboch




His neighbors hate his guts, so one of them called the cops on him when
he forgot his keys? White American at it's best, eh?

It doesn't matter whether Gates was obnoxious or not. Once the cop
realized the guy was in his own house, he should have backed off and left.

Maybe the difference here is that you and Tom seem to have great respect
for people in uniform and think they deserve deference and respect just
because of those uniforms. Well...I do respect firefighters...they wear
uniforms.

"H K" wrote in message
...
On 7/23/09 6:54 PM, Eisboch wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
m...


Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something.




Cops lying for cops lying for cops lying for cops.

What else is new?


Harry, your logic circuit breaker tripped again. Reset it, read Tom's
post again and try again.

Eisboch



Tom has a kid who is a cop. Therefore, he is predisposed to believe
cops.

I am not so predisposed.




Forget the cops since you don't trust any.

I was talking about this part of Tom's post:

"Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something."


You opted to ignore that part.

Eisboch




His neighbors hate his guts, so one of them called the cops on him when he
forgot his keys? White American at it's best, eh?

It doesn't matter whether Gates was obnoxious or not. Once the cop
realized the guy was in his own house, he should have backed off and left.

Maybe the difference here is that you and Tom seem to have great respect
for people in uniform and think they deserve deference and respect just
because of those uniforms. Well...I do respect firefighters...they wear
uniforms.



Bad apples in every group.

http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/downloads/pd...ons/tr-141.pdf

On Jul 23, 7:27*pm, H K wrote:
On 7/23/09 6:54 PM, Eisboch wrote:





"H the K" wrote in message
om...

Gateson the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something.

Cops lying for cops lying for cops lying for cops.

What else is new?

Harry, your logic circuit breaker tripped again. Reset it, read Tom's
post again and try again.

Eisboch

Tom has a kid who is a cop. Therefore, he is predisposed to believe cops.

I am not so predisposed.

Forget the cops since you don't trust any.

I was talking about this part of Tom's post:

"Gateson the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something."

You opted to ignore that part.

Eisboch

His neighbors hate his guts, so one of them called the cops on him when
he forgot his keys? White American at it's best, eh?

It doesn't matter whetherGateswas obnoxious or not. Once the cop
realized the guy was in his own house, he should have backed off and left..

Maybe the difference here is that you and Tom seem to have great respect
for people in uniform and think they deserve deference and respect just
because of those uniforms. Well...I do respect firefighters...they wear
uniforms.

"whetherGateswas," Herr Krause?
Mighty literary of you.

Have some food for thought. I implore you.

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-303137

H K wrote:
On 7/23/09 6:54 PM, Eisboch wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
m...


Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something.




Cops lying for cops lying for cops lying for cops.

What else is new?


Harry, your logic circuit breaker tripped again. Reset it, read Tom's
post again and try again.

Eisboch



Tom has a kid who is a cop. Therefore, he is predisposed to believe
cops.

I am not so predisposed.




Forget the cops since you don't trust any.

I was talking about this part of Tom's post:

"Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something."


You opted to ignore that part.

Eisboch




His neighbors hate his guts, so one of them called the cops on him when
he forgot his keys? White American at it's best, eh?

Sounds like you have been on the sharp end of that stick.

It doesn't matter whether Gates was obnoxious or not. Once the cop
realized the guy was in his own house, he should have backed off and left.

The cop did and went outside. Gates followed the cop outside, into
public, and continued to yell and scream at the cop. Gates was arrested
while he was in public.

Maybe the difference here is that you and Tom seem to have great respect
for people in uniform and think they deserve deference and respect just
because of those uniforms. Well...I do respect firefighters...they wear
uniforms.

If you ever need the services of the police be sure to call them and
when they arrive just start acting like Gates even tho they are there to
help you at your request.

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:45:13 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:47:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:03:55 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at
Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible
for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful
occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a
home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said.

"That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society,"
Weinblatt said. "The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the
bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional."

And that is absolulutely correct. The police need training to back
down gracefully, make their apologies and leave once the true
situation is known. A certain amount of racial profiling is probably
inevitable in police work but professionalism and respect can make the
difference in how it is perceived.

No offense Wayne, but there has to be something wrong with folks who
aren't cops telling cops how to be cops.

The officer in question has witnesses, including a responding black
officer, who verified his statements. The officer in question has the
training in racial profiling and teaches it. He is a decorated
officer and has been recognized as one of the best.

Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something.

I'm sure that's all true but I still think the cops should have backed
off once they knew that he lived there.