Just watching a local interview with the arresting officer.

There's another side to the story, folks.

Makes you wonder *who* was acting "stupidly".


Eisboch

On 7/23/09 12:32 PM, Eisboch wrote:

Just watching a local interview with the arresting officer.

There's another side to the story, folks.

Makes you wonder *who* was acting "stupidly".


Eisboch


One would expect the cop to have "another side," eh?


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On 7/23/09 12:32 PM, Eisboch wrote:

Just watching a local interview with the arresting officer.

There's another side to the story, folks.

Makes you wonder *who* was acting "stupidly".


Eisboch


One would expect the cop to have "another side," eh?



The reporter also interviewed friends, neighbors, acquaintances all of whom
rejected any notion of him being a racist or "bad cop". Just the opposite,
in fact.

Furthermore, the police report contains many more details of the event that
have been "overlooked" by most of the media and, apparently the POTUS.

Nobody initially knew who Gates was or why he was there. Gates was not
particularly cooperative, according to the official report and refused
several legitimate requests to provide identification. All he did was make
derogatory remarks related to the arresting officer's mother, according to
the report. His lack of simple, civil cooperation resulted in his arrest.

Believe what you want.

Eisboch

On 7/23/09 12:52 PM, Eisboch wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
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On 7/23/09 12:32 PM, Eisboch wrote:

Just watching a local interview with the arresting officer.

There's another side to the story, folks.

Makes you wonder *who* was acting "stupidly".


Eisboch


One would expect the cop to have "another side," eh?



The reporter also interviewed friends, neighbors, acquaintances all of
whom rejected any notion of him being a racist or "bad cop". Just the
opposite, in fact.

Furthermore, the police report contains many more details of the event
that have been "overlooked" by most of the media and, apparently the POTUS.

Nobody initially knew who Gates was or why he was there. Gates was not
particularly cooperative, according to the official report and refused
several legitimate requests to provide identification. All he did was
make derogatory remarks related to the arresting officer's mother,
according to the report. His lack of simple, civil cooperation resulted
in his arrest.

Believe what you want.

Eisboch


I believe there is a considerable amount of racial profiling taking
place in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and not just by the police. I read
where the prof was "turned in" by his white next door neighbor at 12:30 pm.

Gates produced ID while in his house. At the point, the cops should have
left. Period. While it is a good idea to be polite to cops, it isn't
legal requirement, especially when they are in your house after you have
produced ID.



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Gates produced ID while in his house. At the point, the cops should have
left. Period. While it is a good idea to be polite to cops, it isn't legal
requirement, especially when they are in your house after you have
produced ID.



I don't know what happened because I wasn't there. All I know is that
there are conflicting stories, and no one should jump to conclusions.

Eisboch

On 7/23/09 4:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:08:04 -0400, H the
wrote:


I believe there is a considerable amount of racial profiling taking
place in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and not just by the police. I read
where the prof was "turned in" by his white next door neighbor at 12:30 pm.

Gates produced ID while in his house. At the point, the cops should have
left. Period. While it is a good idea to be polite to cops, it isn't
legal requirement, especially when they are in your house after you have
produced ID.

If you plan on shooting people you better work on you "talking to
cops" skills.



I have no plans to shoot anyone. Nice try, though.

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On 7/23/09 6:02 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:56:52 -0400, H the
wrote:

If you plan on shooting people you better work on you "talking to
cops" skills.



I have no plans to shoot anyone. Nice try, though.

I suppose I coul;d go back and quote all the macho stuff from the gun
thread but I don't care anymore.

Be well and be careful.


What? That I'd shoot someone that busted into my house? That's not a
"plan to shoot someone." That's just part of a household defense
mechanism to protect the lives here.

Honestly, I know the game you've been trying to play with this topic. It
was mildly entertaining.


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On Jul 23, 12:32*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
Just watching a local interview with the arresting officer.

There's another side to the story, folks.

Makes you wonder *who* was acting "stupidly".

Eisboch

Lifted from another forum, with credits:
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Mark Steyn
OC Register
July 24

By common consent, the most memorable moment of Barack Obama's
otherwise listless press conference on "health care" were his robust
remarks on the "racist" incident involving professor Henry Louis Gates
and the Cambridge police. The latter "acted stupidly," pronounced the
chief of state. The president of the United States may be reluctant to
condemn Ayatollah Khamenei or Hugo Chávez or that guy in Honduras
without examining all the nuances and footnotes, but sometimes there
are outrages so heinous that even the famously nuanced must step up to
the plate and speak truth to power. And thank God the leader of the
free world had the guts to stand up and speak truth to municipal
police Sgt. James Crowley.

For everyone other than the president, what happened at professor
Gates' house is not entirely clear. The Harvard prof returned home
without his keys and, as Obama put it, "jimmied his way into the
house." A neighbor, witnessing the "break-in," called the cops, and
things, ah, escalated from there. Professor Gates is now saying that,
if Sgt. Crowley publicly apologizes for his racism, the prof will
graciously agree to "educate him about the history of racism in
America." Which is a helluva deal. I mean, Ivy League parents
remortgage their homes to pay Gates for the privilege of lecturing
their kids, and here he is offering to hector it away to some no-name
lunkhead for free.

As to the differences between the professor's and the cops' version of
events, I confess I've been wary of taking Henry Louis Gates at his
word ever since, almost two decades back, the literary scholar
compared the lyrics of the rap group 2 Live Crew to those of the Bard
of Avon. "It's like Shakespeare's 'My love is like a red, red rose,'"
he declared, authoritatively, to a court in Fort Lauderdale.

As it happens, "My luv's like a red, red rose" was written by Robbie
Burns, a couple of centuries after Shakespeare. Oh, well. 16th century
English playwright, 18th century Scottish poet: What's the diff?
Evidently being within the same quarter-millennium and right general
patch of the North-East Atlantic is close enough for a professor of
English and Afro-American Studies appearing as an expert witness in a
court case. Certainly no journalist reporting Gates' testimony was
boorish enough to point out the misattribution.

I hasten to add I have nothing against the great man. He's always
struck me as one of those faintly absurd figures in which the American
academy appears to specialize, but relatively harmless by overall
standards. And I certainly sympathize with the general proposition
that not all encounters with the constabulary go as agreeably as one
might wish. Last year I had a minor interaction with a Vermont state
trooper, and, 60 seconds into the conversation, he called me a "liar."
I considered my options:

Option a): I could get hot under the collar, yell at him, get tasered
into submission and possibly shot while "resisting arrest";

Option b): I could politely tell the trooper I object to his
characterization, and then write a letter to the commander of his
barracks the following morning suggesting that such language is not
appropriate to routine encounters with members of the public and
betrays a profoundly defective understanding of the relationship
between law enforcement officials and the citizenry in civilized
societies.

I chose the latter course, and received a letter back offering partial
satisfaction and explaining that the trooper would be receiving
"supervisory performance-related issue-counseling," which, with any
luck, is even more ghastly than it sounds and hopefully is still
ongoing.

Professor Gates chose option a), which is just plain stupid. For one
thing, these days they have dash-cams and two-way radios and a GPS
gizmo in the sharp end of the billy club, so an awful lot of this
stuff winds up being preserved on tape, and, if you're the one a-
hootin' an' a-hollerin', it's not going to help.

In the Sixties, the great English satirist Peter Simple invented the
Prejudometer, which simply by being pointed at any individual could
calculate degrees of racism to the nearest prejudon, "the
internationally recognized scientific unit of racial prejudice."
Professor Gates seems to go around with his Prejudometer permanently
cranked up to 11: When Sgt. Crowley announced through the glass-
paneled front door that he was here to investigate a break-in, Gates
opened it up and roared back: "Why? Because I'm a black man in
America?"

Gates then told him, "I'll speak with your mama outside." Outside,
Sgt. Crowley's mama failed to show. But among his colleagues were a
black officer and a Hispanic officer. Which is an odd kind of posse
for what the Rev. Al Sharpton calls, inevitably, "the highest example
of racial profiling I have seen."

But what of our post-racial president? After noting that "'Skip' Gates
is a friend" of his, President Obama said that "there is a long
history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped
by law enforcement disproportionately." But, if they're being
"disproportionately" stopped by African American and Latino cops, does
that really fall under the category of systemic racism? Short of
dispatching one of those Uighur Muslims from China recently liberated
from Gitmo by Obama to frolic and gambol on the beaches of Bermuda,
the assembled officers were a veritable rainbow coalition. The
photograph of the arrest shows a bullet-headed black cop – Sgt. Leon
Lashley, I believe – standing in front of the porch while behind him a
handcuffed Gates yells accusations of racism. This is the pitiful
state the Bull Connors of the 21st century are reduced to, forced to
take along a squad recruited from the nearest Benetton ad when they go
out to whup some uppity Negro boy.

As professor Gates jeered at the officers, "You don't know who you're
messin' with." Did Sgt. Crowley have to arrest him? Probably not. Did
he allow himself to be provoked by an obnoxious buffoon? Maybe. I
dunno. I wasn't there. Neither was the president of the United States,
or the governor of Massachusetts or the mayor of Cambridge. All of
whom have declared themselves firmly on the side of the Ivy League
bigshot. And all of whom, as it happens, are African American. A black
president, a black governor and a black mayor all agree with a black
Harvard professor that he was racially profiled by a white-Latino-
black police team, headed by a cop who teaches courses in how to avoid
racial profiling. The boundless elasticity of such endemic racism
suggests that the "post-racial America" will be living with blowhard
grievance-mongers like professor Gates unto the end of time.

In a fairly typical "he said/VIP said" incident, the VIP was the
author of his own misfortune but, with characteristic arrogance, chose
to ascribe it to systemic racism, Jim Crow, lynchings, the Klan,
slavery, Jefferson impregnating Sally Hemmings, etc. And so it goes,
now and forever.

Jack wrote:
On Jul 23, 12:32 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
Just watching a local interview with the arresting officer.

There's another side to the story, folks.

Makes you wonder *who* was acting "stupidly".

Eisboch

Lifted from another forum, with credits:
--------------------------------
Mark Steyn
OC Register
July 24



A. Steyn is a butt-buddy of Rush Limbaugh

B. He's been "caught" more times than Limbaugh and Coulter making up "news."

C. It figures you'd quote him.

D. Moron.

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Whatever moral rules you have proposed, abide by them as they were laws,
and as if you would be guilty of impiety by violating any of them,
*unless* you are a conservative Republican office holder or minister. If
that is your position in life, then anything goes.

On Sun, 26 Jul 2009 08:53:52 -0400, H the K
wrote:

snipped for illustrative purposes



A. Steyn is a butt-buddy of Rush Limbaugh

B. He's been "caught" more times than Limbaugh and Coulter making up "news."

C. It figures you'd quote him.

D. Moron.


Four statements, four classic examples of the ad hominem - two
circumstantial, two abusive. Textbook stuff.

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