Just watching a local interview with the arresting officer.

There's another side to the story, folks.

Makes you wonder *who* was acting "stupidly".


Eisboch

On 7/23/09 12:32 PM, Eisboch wrote:

Just watching a local interview with the arresting officer.

There's another side to the story, folks.

Makes you wonder *who* was acting "stupidly".


Eisboch


One would expect the cop to have "another side," eh?


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On 7/23/09 12:32 PM, Eisboch wrote:

Just watching a local interview with the arresting officer.

There's another side to the story, folks.

Makes you wonder *who* was acting "stupidly".


Eisboch


One would expect the cop to have "another side," eh?



The reporter also interviewed friends, neighbors, acquaintances all of whom
rejected any notion of him being a racist or "bad cop". Just the opposite,
in fact.

Furthermore, the police report contains many more details of the event that
have been "overlooked" by most of the media and, apparently the POTUS.

Nobody initially knew who Gates was or why he was there. Gates was not
particularly cooperative, according to the official report and refused
several legitimate requests to provide identification. All he did was make
derogatory remarks related to the arresting officer's mother, according to
the report. His lack of simple, civil cooperation resulted in his arrest.

Believe what you want.

Eisboch

wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:32:45 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Just watching a local interview with the arresting officer.

There's another side to the story, folks.

Makes you wonder *who* was acting "stupidly".


Eisboch

Gates was clearly wrong not to produce ID immediately. Fighting with a
cop, responding to a burglary in progress complaint is the stupid
thing. I am an old white guy in a nice neighborhood and I would expect
the cop to be suspicious of me until I showed some kind of ID.
I am sure that if this happened while Gates was gone, and it was a
real burglar, he would be complaining that the cops were not forceful
enough with the burglars if they let them walk without showing ID.

I would be thanking the police for protecting my home. That is what I
pay them for.


I am not sure if it is true but my NBC news outlet was flashing a
picture of an arrest report with "intoxicated" in bold print on it. I
understand these people are petty sloppy with their "B roll" footage
and that could have really been Mel Gibson's arrest report since the
Cambridge police have not "officially" released the report but if this
was something that the news crew shot at the station this whole thing
might quietly go away.

This does say something about how well race relations are working in
liberal Massachusetts when his neighbor can't even recognize their
only black neighbor in broad daylight.

"Black students and professors at Harvard have complained for years
about racial profiling by Cambridge and campus police. Harvard
commissioned an independent committee last year to examine the
university's race relations after campus police confronted a young black
man who was using tools to remove a bike lock. The man worked at Harvard
and owned the bike.

Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at
Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible
for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful
occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a
home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said.

"That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society,"
Weinblatt said. "The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the
bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional."

On 7/23/09 12:52 PM, Eisboch wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
On 7/23/09 12:32 PM, Eisboch wrote:

Just watching a local interview with the arresting officer.

There's another side to the story, folks.

Makes you wonder *who* was acting "stupidly".


Eisboch


One would expect the cop to have "another side," eh?



The reporter also interviewed friends, neighbors, acquaintances all of
whom rejected any notion of him being a racist or "bad cop". Just the
opposite, in fact.

Furthermore, the police report contains many more details of the event
that have been "overlooked" by most of the media and, apparently the POTUS.

Nobody initially knew who Gates was or why he was there. Gates was not
particularly cooperative, according to the official report and refused
several legitimate requests to provide identification. All he did was
make derogatory remarks related to the arresting officer's mother,
according to the report. His lack of simple, civil cooperation resulted
in his arrest.

Believe what you want.

Eisboch


I believe there is a considerable amount of racial profiling taking
place in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and not just by the police. I read
where the prof was "turned in" by his white next door neighbor at 12:30 pm.

Gates produced ID while in his house. At the point, the cops should have
left. Period. While it is a good idea to be polite to cops, it isn't
legal requirement, especially when they are in your house after you have
produced ID.



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"H the K" wrote in message
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Gates produced ID while in his house. At the point, the cops should have
left. Period. While it is a good idea to be polite to cops, it isn't legal
requirement, especially when they are in your house after you have
produced ID.



I don't know what happened because I wasn't there. All I know is that
there are conflicting stories, and no one should jump to conclusions.

Eisboch

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:03:55 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at
Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible
for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful
occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a
home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said.

"That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society,"
Weinblatt said. "The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the
bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional."

And that is absolulutely correct. The police need training to back
down gracefully, make their apologies and leave once the true
situation is known. A certain amount of racial profiling is probably
inevitable in police work but professionalism and respect can make the
difference in how it is perceived.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:03:55 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at
Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible
for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful
occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a
home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said.

"That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society,"
Weinblatt said. "The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the
bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional."

And that is absolulutely correct. The police need training to back
down gracefully, make their apologies and leave once the true
situation is known. A certain amount of racial profiling is probably
inevitable in police work but professionalism and respect can make the
difference in how it is perceived.


I agree 100%

On 7/23/09 4:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:08:04 -0400, H the
wrote:


I believe there is a considerable amount of racial profiling taking
place in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and not just by the police. I read
where the prof was "turned in" by his white next door neighbor at 12:30 pm.

Gates produced ID while in his house. At the point, the cops should have
left. Period. While it is a good idea to be polite to cops, it isn't
legal requirement, especially when they are in your house after you have
produced ID.

If you plan on shooting people you better work on you "talking to
cops" skills.



I have no plans to shoot anyone. Nice try, though.

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On 7/23/09 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:47:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at
Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible
for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful
occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a
home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said.

"That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society,"
Weinblatt said. "The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the
bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional."

And that is absolulutely correct. The police need training to back
down gracefully, make their apologies and leave once the true
situation is known. A certain amount of racial profiling is probably
inevitable in police work but professionalism and respect can make the
difference in how it is perceived.


If you start right out attacking the police, I am not sure it is easy
or even expected that you should get off easy. It is clear Gates
started right out with a chip on his shoulder at a time when he should
have been appreciative that the police were interested in protecting
his home. That is why I will not be surprised if that initial thing I
saw that indicated the cop thought he was drunk is true.
You know in this 24 hour news cycle, there are reporters interviewing
the flight attendants on his flight, the driver and anyone else who
might have seen him that morning.


Actually, Gates is lucky he didn't reach for his wallet. He might have
been the victim of 41 shots, or a broomstick up his rectum.


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