On 7/23/09 12:52 PM, Eisboch wrote:

"H the K" wrote in message
m...
On 7/23/09 12:32 PM, Eisboch wrote:

Just watching a local interview with the arresting officer.

There's another side to the story, folks.

Makes you wonder *who* was acting "stupidly".


Eisboch


One would expect the cop to have "another side," eh?



The reporter also interviewed friends, neighbors, acquaintances all of
whom rejected any notion of him being a racist or "bad cop". Just the
opposite, in fact.

Furthermore, the police report contains many more details of the event
that have been "overlooked" by most of the media and, apparently the POTUS.

Nobody initially knew who Gates was or why he was there. Gates was not
particularly cooperative, according to the official report and refused
several legitimate requests to provide identification. All he did was
make derogatory remarks related to the arresting officer's mother,
according to the report. His lack of simple, civil cooperation resulted
in his arrest.

Believe what you want.

Eisboch


I believe there is a considerable amount of racial profiling taking
place in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and not just by the police. I read
where the prof was "turned in" by his white next door neighbor at 12:30 pm.

Gates produced ID while in his house. At the point, the cops should have
left. Period. While it is a good idea to be polite to cops, it isn't
legal requirement, especially when they are in your house after you have
produced ID.



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"H the K" wrote in message
m...

Gates produced ID while in his house. At the point, the cops should have
left. Period. While it is a good idea to be polite to cops, it isn't legal
requirement, especially when they are in your house after you have
produced ID.



I don't know what happened because I wasn't there. All I know is that
there are conflicting stories, and no one should jump to conclusions.

Eisboch

On 7/23/09 4:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:08:04 -0400, H the
wrote:


I believe there is a considerable amount of racial profiling taking
place in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and not just by the police. I read
where the prof was "turned in" by his white next door neighbor at 12:30 pm.

Gates produced ID while in his house. At the point, the cops should have
left. Period. While it is a good idea to be polite to cops, it isn't
legal requirement, especially when they are in your house after you have
produced ID.

If you plan on shooting people you better work on you "talking to
cops" skills.



I have no plans to shoot anyone. Nice try, though.

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On 7/23/09 6:02 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:56:52 -0400, H the
wrote:

If you plan on shooting people you better work on you "talking to
cops" skills.



I have no plans to shoot anyone. Nice try, though.

I suppose I coul;d go back and quote all the macho stuff from the gun
thread but I don't care anymore.

Be well and be careful.


What? That I'd shoot someone that busted into my house? That's not a
"plan to shoot someone." That's just part of a household defense
mechanism to protect the lives here.

Honestly, I know the game you've been trying to play with this topic. It
was mildly entertaining.


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On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:06:00 -0400, H the K
wrote:

What? That I'd shoot someone that busted into my house? That's not a
"plan to shoot someone." That's just part of a household defense
mechanism to protect the lives here.

Having a home defence gun is not a bad idea, essential if you live in
the country. However, if money is short for things like fire
extinguishers and smoke detectors, not to mention flu shots, get a
cheap used gun. A single shot 12 ga, with a short, but still legal, 19
inch barrel. If you want to go after Bambi, a scope, from the
recreation budget, is a good idea.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:06:00 -0400, H the K
wrote:

What? That I'd shoot someone that busted into my house? That's not a
"plan to shoot someone." That's just part of a household defense
mechanism to protect the lives here.

Having a home defence gun is not a bad idea, essential if you live in
the country. However, if money is short for things like fire
extinguishers and smoke detectors, not to mention flu shots, get a
cheap used gun. A single shot 12 ga, with a short, but still legal, 19
inch barrel. If you want to go after Bambi, a scope, from the
recreation budget, is a good idea.

Casady

He lives in a questionable area, perhaps. Also, being such a lying,
insulting, vulgar ass he's ****ed off so many people that he has to
answer his door with a gun.

Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:06:00 -0400, H the K
wrote:

What? That I'd shoot someone that busted into my house? That's not a
"plan to shoot someone." That's just part of a household defense
mechanism to protect the lives here.

Having a home defence gun is not a bad idea, essential if you live in
the country. However, if money is short for things like fire
extinguishers and smoke detectors, not to mention flu shots, get a
cheap used gun. A single shot 12 ga, with a short, but still legal, 19
inch barrel. If you want to go after Bambi, a scope, from the
recreation budget, is a good idea.

Casady



I agree that the 12 gauge is the first line of firearms defense in a
home, and would be the first weapon I'd pick up in case of a break-in.

wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 13:53:38 -0400, H K
wrote:

Richard Casady wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:06:00 -0400, H the K
wrote:

What? That I'd shoot someone that busted into my house? That's not a
"plan to shoot someone." That's just part of a household defense
mechanism to protect the lives here.
Having a home defence gun is not a bad idea, essential if you live in
the country. However, if money is short for things like fire
extinguishers and smoke detectors, not to mention flu shots, get a
cheap used gun. A single shot 12 ga, with a short, but still legal, 19
inch barrel. If you want to go after Bambi, a scope, from the
recreation budget, is a good idea.

Casady


I agree that the 12 gauge is the first line of firearms defense in a
home, and would be the first weapon I'd pick up in case of a break-in.

The only problem with the 12ga is the federal law mandates that it is
26" long and that might make it unwieldy inside a home.


You do what you have to do.

On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:36:42 -0400, gfretwell wrote:


The only problem with the 12ga is the federal law mandates that it is
26" long and that might make it unwieldy inside a home.

No doubt the 12ga has the stopping power at close range, and the fear
factor to any perpetrator, but at the close ranges inside a house, you
have to be quite accurate with your aim. There will be little or no
spread. I suspect, the shotgun's reputation as the "ultimate" home
protection weapon is a canard.

thunder wrote:
On Fri, 24 Jul 2009 15:36:42 -0400, gfretwell wrote:


The only problem with the 12ga is the federal law mandates that it is
26" long and that might make it unwieldy inside a home.

No doubt the 12ga has the stopping power at close range, and the fear
factor to any perpetrator, but at the close ranges inside a house, you
have to be quite accurate with your aim. There will be little or no
spread. I suspect, the shotgun's reputation as the "ultimate" home
protection weapon is a canard.


Uh...you don't have to be *as* "accurate" inside the house with a
shotgun as you do with a pistol. At inside the house distances of 5' to
10', for example, the shotgun is going to provide more ventilation to
the target than a 9 mm.




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