"H the K" wrote in message
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On 7/23/09 5:45 PM, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:

The officer in question has witnesses, including a responding black
officer, who verified his statements. The officer in question has the
training in racial profiling and teaches it. He is a decorated
officer and has been recognized as one of the best.

Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something.




Cops lying for cops lying for cops lying for cops.

What else is new?


Harry, your logic circuit breaker tripped again. Reset it, read Tom's post
again and try again.

Eisboch

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:45:13 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:47:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:03:55 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at
Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible
for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful
occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a
home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said.

"That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society,"
Weinblatt said. "The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the
bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional."

And that is absolulutely correct. The police need training to back
down gracefully, make their apologies and leave once the true
situation is known. A certain amount of racial profiling is probably
inevitable in police work but professionalism and respect can make the
difference in how it is perceived.

No offense Wayne, but there has to be something wrong with folks who
aren't cops telling cops how to be cops.

The officer in question has witnesses, including a responding black
officer, who verified his statements. The officer in question has the
training in racial profiling and teaches it. He is a decorated
officer and has been recognized as one of the best.

Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something.

I'm sure that's all true but I still think the cops should have backed
off once they knew that he lived there.

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:49:10 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:45:13 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:47:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:03:55 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at
Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible
for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful
occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a
home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said.

"That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society,"
Weinblatt said. "The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the
bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional."

And that is absolulutely correct. The police need training to back
down gracefully, make their apologies and leave once the true
situation is known. A certain amount of racial profiling is probably
inevitable in police work but professionalism and respect can make the
difference in how it is perceived.

No offense Wayne, but there has to be something wrong with folks who
aren't cops telling cops how to be cops.

The officer in question has witnesses, including a responding black
officer, who verified his statements. The officer in question has the
training in racial profiling and teaches it. He is a decorated
officer and has been recognized as one of the best.

Gates on the other hand is an officious Harvard prig who has used his
"do you know who I am" attitude in confrontations with airport
security at Logan to confrontations with security guards and hospital
employees including his own staff.

Add to that - his neighbors hate his guts. That's got to tell you
something.

I'm sure that's all true but I still think the cops should have backed
off once they knew that he lived there.

Well, then we will agree to disagree. :)

On 7/23/09 5:00 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:47:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:03:55 -0400, wrote:

Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at
Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible
for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful
occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a
home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said.

"That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society,"
Weinblatt said. "The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the
bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional."

And that is absolulutely correct. The police need training to back
down gracefully, make their apologies and leave once the true
situation is known. A certain amount of racial profiling is probably
inevitable in police work but professionalism and respect can make the
difference in how it is perceived.


If you start right out attacking the police, I am not sure it is easy
or even expected that you should get off easy. It is clear Gates
started right out with a chip on his shoulder at a time when he should
have been appreciative that the police were interested in protecting
his home. That is why I will not be surprised if that initial thing I
saw that indicated the cop thought he was drunk is true.
You know in this 24 hour news cycle, there are reporters interviewing
the flight attendants on his flight, the driver and anyone else who
might have seen him that morning.


Actually, Gates is lucky he didn't reach for his wallet. He might have
been the victim of 41 shots, or a broomstick up his rectum.


--
A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:00:43 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:47:02 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 13:03:55 -0400, NotNow wrote:

Richard Weinblatt, director of the Institute for Public Safety at
Central Ohio Technical College, said the police sergeant was responsible
for defusing the situation once he realized Gates was the lawful
occupant. It is not against the law to yell at police, especially in a
home, as long as that behavior does not affect an investigation, he said.

"That is part of being a police officer in a democratic society,"
Weinblatt said. "The point is that the police sergeant needs to be the
bigger person, take the higher road, be more professional."

And that is absolulutely correct. The police need training to back
down gracefully, make their apologies and leave once the true
situation is known. A certain amount of racial profiling is probably
inevitable in police work but professionalism and respect can make the
difference in how it is perceived.


If you start right out attacking the police, I am not sure it is easy
or even expected that you should get off easy. It is clear Gates
started right out with a chip on his shoulder at a time when he should
have been appreciative that the police were interested in protecting
his home. That is why I will not be surprised if that initial thing I
saw that indicated the cop thought he was drunk is true.
You know in this 24 hour news cycle, there are reporters interviewing
the flight attendants on his flight, the driver and anyone else who
might have seen him that morning.

I have no doubt that there is plenty of culpability on the part of
Gates applying normal standards of behavior and decorum. The cops
however, once realizing that they'd made an honest mistake, should
have let it go. Although it would have been nice if Gates had shown
a little restraint on his part, he was probably already a bit out of
sorts even before the police arrived from the 20 hour flight, arriving
home to find himself locked out, etc. Who knows what else may have
gone wrong for him that day? There's plenty of opportunity for that
when you are traveling.

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...


I have no doubt that there is plenty of culpability on the part of
Gates applying normal standards of behavior and decorum. The cops
however, once realizing that they'd made an honest mistake, should
have let it go. Although it would have been nice if Gates had shown
a little restraint on his part, he was probably already a bit out of
sorts even before the police arrived from the 20 hour flight, arriving
home to find himself locked out, etc. Who knows what else may have
gone wrong for him that day? There's plenty of opportunity for that
when you are traveling.


I get scolded for snapping at an alarm company salesman.

Eisboch

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:00:22 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I get scolded for snapping at an alarm company salesman.

I snap at telemarketers all the time, and get scolded, but there's a
big difference between a scolding and an arrest. :-)

I've had to excercise a lot of self restraint with the airport
security folks at times. That's probably about the closest thing to a
police state that I ever hope to encounter.

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:00:22 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

I get scolded for snapping at an alarm company salesman.

As you should have been you reactionary right wing whatever is the
derogatory term of the day. :)

Eisboch wrote:

"Wayne.B" wrote in message
...


I have no doubt that there is plenty of culpability on the part of
Gates applying normal standards of behavior and decorum. The cops
however, once realizing that they'd made an honest mistake, should
have let it go. Although it would have been nice if Gates had shown
a little restraint on his part, he was probably already a bit out of
sorts even before the police arrived from the 20 hour flight, arriving
home to find himself locked out, etc. Who knows what else may have
gone wrong for him that day? There's plenty of opportunity for that
when you are traveling.


I get scolded for snapping at an alarm company salesman.

Eisboch

That's because the person who scolded you is an idiot, and is just
trying to stir ****.

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 18:45:54 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

I have no doubt that there is plenty of culpability on the part of
Gates applying normal standards of behavior and decorum. The cops
however, once realizing that they'd made an honest mistake, should
have let it go. Although it would have been nice if Gates had shown
a little restraint on his part, he was probably already a bit out of
sorts even before the police arrived from the 20 hour flight, arriving
home to find himself locked out, etc. Who knows what else may have
gone wrong for him that day? There's plenty of opportunity for that
when you are traveling.

Let me ask you this in the spirt of discussion.

Why is it ok for Gates to be insulting, telling an officer who,
apparently and to all appearances and reports does not have any race
bias at all, that he's a racist and use a degoratory reference to his
mother because he's having a bad day - why is that an excuse?

In Sgt. Crowley's defense, it's standard practice, policy and
procedure to cuff and detain citizens who are unruly and or disorderly
both for the protection of the officer as well as the citizen on the
theory that it places the situation back in control.

Sgt. Crowley did nothing wrong, followed policy and procedure and was
called stupid by the President of the United States who admitted that
he didn't know all the fact before he made that statement.

Oh - it also appears that the open wireless mike that officers carry
which is part of the in-car camera system verifies Sgt. Crowley's
version of the incident according to news reports.