On 7/23/09 7:15 AM, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:07:39 -0700, Calif Bill wrote:


30 or so years ago I duck humted with the weapons officer of one of the
bay area police forces. He stated, the average police shootout is at
6', 9 shots are fired and no one is hit. Hard to aim when ducking for
cover.

NYPD did an analysis of police combat. Your weapons officer friend isn't
too far off the mark. I've also heard, can't swear to it's veracity, but
the average cop never pulls his gun in the line of duty.

http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm

My guess is that the police don't train sufficiently for close-in
shooting. I always "warm-up" at the range by first shooting at a target
7 to 10 feet away, then about 20 feet away, and then I run the target
out to 75 feet.

You also need to learn a good pistol pointing technique.

Of course, if you are a warn-out old ninja wannabe, trained by the
marines, you don't need to bring a pistol to a gunfight...just throw
your shuriken.




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On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:37:45 -0400, H the K wrote:


http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm

My guess is that the police don't train sufficiently for close-in
shooting. I always "warm-up" at the range by first shooting at a target
7 to 10 feet away, then about 20 feet away, and then I run the target
out to 75 feet.

You also need to learn a good pistol pointing technique.

You might want to read down in the article where it states there is a
clear disconnect between range marksmanship, and combat hitsmanship. I
think Calif Bill is correct when he states "Hard to aim when ducking for
cover." As for training, NYPD is second to none.

On 7/23/09 7:53 AM, thunder wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:37:45 -0400, H the K wrote:


http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm

My guess is that the police don't train sufficiently for close-in
shooting. I always "warm-up" at the range by first shooting at a target
7 to 10 feet away, then about 20 feet away, and then I run the target
out to 75 feet.

You also need to learn a good pistol pointing technique.

You might want to read down in the article where it states there is a
clear disconnect between range marksmanship, and combat hitsmanship. I
think Calif Bill is correct when he states "Hard to aim when ducking for
cover." As for training, NYPD is second to none.

I'm aware of the disconnect.
The only way to be proficient with firearm is to practice, practice,
practice. Now, whether you could shoot someone in combat, that's a
separate question. There's no way to train for that, not really. You can
make your gun handling, positioning, aiming, shooting a reflex, as it
were, but shooting someone, especially the first time, is a leap of
another magnitude, or at least it is for a non-automaton.

I'm just not that impressed with tales of cop gunmanship. Certainly
there are cops who excel at handling firearms, but I don't think that
applies to your typical cop. I've seen too many of them shoot badly at
the ranges, and very few that shoot well. I don't think many of them
practice enough.



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A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant.

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:53:30 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:37:45 -0400, H the K wrote:


http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm

My guess is that the police don't train sufficiently for close-in
shooting. I always "warm-up" at the range by first shooting at a target
7 to 10 feet away, then about 20 feet away, and then I run the target
out to 75 feet.

You also need to learn a good pistol pointing technique.

You might want to read down in the article where it states there is a
clear disconnect between range marksmanship, and combat hitsmanship. I
think Calif Bill is correct when he states "Hard to aim when ducking for
cover."

Don't argue with Harry - he's an expert on everything.

As for training, NYPD is second to none.

Er....Hello? Marine Corps? :)

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:23:42 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:


As for training, NYPD is second to none.

Er....Hello? Marine Corps? :)

Jarheads are trainable? ;-)

On 7/23/09 8:29 AM, thunder wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:23:42 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:


As for training, NYPD is second to none.

Er....Hello? Marine Corps? :)

Jarheads are trainable? ;-)


They do a hell of a job shining shoes. I have seen them march around the
barracks in DC. Their shoes are really, really shiny. Nice haircuts, too.


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On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:29:34 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:23:42 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:


As for training, NYPD is second to none.

Er....Hello? Marine Corps? :)

Jarheads are trainable? ;-)

ROTFL!!!!!

Oh you will pay for that one my friend.

Thats two I owe you. :)

On 7/23/09 8:23 AM, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:53:30 -0500,
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:37:45 -0400, H the K wrote:


http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm

My guess is that the police don't train sufficiently for close-in
shooting. I always "warm-up" at the range by first shooting at a target
7 to 10 feet away, then about 20 feet away, and then I run the target
out to 75 feet.

You also need to learn a good pistol pointing technique.

You might want to read down in the article where it states there is a
clear disconnect between range marksmanship, and combat hitsmanship. I
think Calif Bill is correct when he states "Hard to aim when ducking for
cover."

Don't argue with Harry - he's an expert on everything.

As for training, NYPD is second to none.

Er....Hello? Marine Corps? :)


BFD


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On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:53:30 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:37:45 -0400, H the K wrote:


http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm

My guess is that the police don't train sufficiently for close-in
shooting. I always "warm-up" at the range by first shooting at a target
7 to 10 feet away, then about 20 feet away, and then I run the target
out to 75 feet.

You also need to learn a good pistol pointing technique.

You might want to read down in the article where it states there is a
clear disconnect between range marksmanship, and combat hitsmanship. I
think Calif Bill is correct when he states "Hard to aim when ducking for
cover."

Don't argue with Harry - he's an expert on everything.

As for training, NYPD is second to none.

Er....Hello? Marine Corps? :)

The only people who do not have to be as accurate as the Marines is the Air
Force. We drop a 500-2000# bomb and big hole.

On Jul 23, 2:56*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Yogi of Woodstock" wrote in messagenews:nglg65d6sul1vj583mmi2k0b7d9rkopt7d@4ax .com...



On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:53:30 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:37:45 -0400, H the K wrote:

http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm

My guess is that the police don't train sufficiently for close-in
shooting. I always "warm-up" at the range by first shooting at a target
7 to 10 feet away, then about 20 feet away, and then I run the target
out to 75 feet.

You also need to learn a good pistol pointing technique.

You might want to read down in the article where it states there is a
clear disconnect between range marksmanship, and combat hitsmanship. *I
think Calif Bill is correct when he states "Hard to aim when ducking for
cover."

Don't argue with Harry - he's an expert on everything.

As for training, NYPD is second to none.

Er....Hello? *Marine Corps? *:)

The only people who do not have to be as accurate as the Marines is the Air
Force. *We drop a 500-2000# bomb and big hole.

You don't have to be really accurate with these either...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5H_Z...eature=related

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