|
Gun saves another day
wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:17:24 -0400, H the K wrote: You can also have the problem with a 9mm or .38 that even a decently placed shot won't stop a motivated perpetrator before he can get to you. There are lots of places on the body, even in the head with no organs that a hole in will cause instant death. It is possible to end up dead next to your dying attacker. I practice at a range used by cops, lots of cops, and some military personnel, too. Once in a while, not often, I see a cop who knows how to shoot, by which I mean he/she can put most of the rounds in a mag in the "10" zone on a target at typical "combat" distances. Most of the cops I've seen at the range are just terrible shots, which I take as meaning they don't practice often or they don't care. I'm aware of the vagaries of any situation. Other than the "fun" factor, that's why I practice quite a bit at the range and other places where I can shoot. Here's a fellow firing an older P226, DA-SA. My X-5 is a P-226, but SA only. http://politics.theatlantic.com/mt-42/mt-tb.cgi/12231 The last minute shows how quickly the pistol cycles. Lots of shots. My mags hold 19 rounds, plus one in the pipe. Oh...I've taken Sig's Close Quarter Operator's Course. ... and nobody told you not to put your finger in the trigger guard before you are going to shoot? That has been in self defense and police tactical shooting courses for decades. We were even starting to incorporate that into skeet shooting etiquette when I was in Md. Call the bird, point the gun, acquire the target, then put your finger in the hole and shoot, It is just a habit you should get into. This is best demonstrated in one of the most famous cop pictures in the world. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Gonzoles.jpg 30 or so years ago I duck humted with the weapons officer of one of the bay area police forces. He stated, the average police shootout is at 6', 9 shots are fired and no one is hit. Hard to aim when ducking for cover. |
Gun saves another day
|
Gun saves another day
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:07:39 -0700, Calif Bill wrote:
30 or so years ago I duck humted with the weapons officer of one of the bay area police forces. He stated, the average police shootout is at 6', 9 shots are fired and no one is hit. Hard to aim when ducking for cover. NYPD did an analysis of police combat. Your weapons officer friend isn't too far off the mark. I've also heard, can't swear to it's veracity, but the average cop never pulls his gun in the line of duty. http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm |
Gun saves another day
On 7/23/09 7:15 AM, thunder wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:07:39 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: 30 or so years ago I duck humted with the weapons officer of one of the bay area police forces. He stated, the average police shootout is at 6', 9 shots are fired and no one is hit. Hard to aim when ducking for cover. NYPD did an analysis of police combat. Your weapons officer friend isn't too far off the mark. I've also heard, can't swear to it's veracity, but the average cop never pulls his gun in the line of duty. http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm My guess is that the police don't train sufficiently for close-in shooting. I always "warm-up" at the range by first shooting at a target 7 to 10 feet away, then about 20 feet away, and then I run the target out to 75 feet. You also need to learn a good pistol pointing technique. Of course, if you are a warn-out old ninja wannabe, trained by the marines, you don't need to bring a pistol to a gunfight...just throw your shuriken. -- A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant. |
Gun saves another day
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:37:45 -0400, H the K wrote:
http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm My guess is that the police don't train sufficiently for close-in shooting. I always "warm-up" at the range by first shooting at a target 7 to 10 feet away, then about 20 feet away, and then I run the target out to 75 feet. You also need to learn a good pistol pointing technique. You might want to read down in the article where it states there is a clear disconnect between range marksmanship, and combat hitsmanship. I think Calif Bill is correct when he states "Hard to aim when ducking for cover." As for training, NYPD is second to none. |
Gun saves another day
wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:17:24 -0400, H the K wrote: You can also have the problem with a 9mm or .38 that even a decently placed shot won't stop a motivated perpetrator before he can get to you. There are lots of places on the body, even in the head with no organs that a hole in will cause instant death. It is possible to end up dead next to your dying attacker. I practice at a range used by cops, lots of cops, and some military personnel, too. Once in a while, not often, I see a cop who knows how to shoot, by which I mean he/she can put most of the rounds in a mag in the "10" zone on a target at typical "combat" distances. Most of the cops I've seen at the range are just terrible shots, which I take as meaning they don't practice often or they don't care. I'm aware of the vagaries of any situation. Other than the "fun" factor, that's why I practice quite a bit at the range and other places where I can shoot. Here's a fellow firing an older P226, DA-SA. My X-5 is a P-226, but SA only. http://politics.theatlantic.com/mt-42/mt-tb.cgi/12231 The last minute shows how quickly the pistol cycles. Lots of shots. My mags hold 19 rounds, plus one in the pipe. Oh...I've taken Sig's Close Quarter Operator's Course. ... and nobody told you not to put your finger in the trigger guard before you are going to shoot? That has been in self defense and police tactical shooting courses for decades. We were even starting to incorporate that into skeet shooting etiquette when I was in Md. Call the bird, point the gun, acquire the target, then put your finger in the hole and shoot, It is just a habit you should get into. This is best demonstrated in one of the most famous cop pictures in the world. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Gonzoles.jpg But you have to remember, because if all of Harry's lies, insults, and general nastiness, he's a scared piece of crap that answers his door with a loaded gun. |
Gun saves another day
On 7/23/09 7:53 AM, thunder wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:37:45 -0400, H the K wrote: http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm My guess is that the police don't train sufficiently for close-in shooting. I always "warm-up" at the range by first shooting at a target 7 to 10 feet away, then about 20 feet away, and then I run the target out to 75 feet. You also need to learn a good pistol pointing technique. You might want to read down in the article where it states there is a clear disconnect between range marksmanship, and combat hitsmanship. I think Calif Bill is correct when he states "Hard to aim when ducking for cover." As for training, NYPD is second to none. I'm aware of the disconnect. The only way to be proficient with firearm is to practice, practice, practice. Now, whether you could shoot someone in combat, that's a separate question. There's no way to train for that, not really. You can make your gun handling, positioning, aiming, shooting a reflex, as it were, but shooting someone, especially the first time, is a leap of another magnitude, or at least it is for a non-automaton. I'm just not that impressed with tales of cop gunmanship. Certainly there are cops who excel at handling firearms, but I don't think that applies to your typical cop. I've seen too many of them shoot badly at the ranges, and very few that shoot well. I don't think many of them practice enough. -- A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant. |
Gun saves another day
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:25:11 -0400, H the K
wrote: On 7/22/09 9:11 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:08:54 -0700, wrote: p Oh for ****'s sake Gene, you're assuming whomever is weidling the knife is an expert. Flawed logic. The guy in this case obviously meant to kill both women but left one alive. Sound like a knife expert to you? Neither of the women were armed from what I understand. Any dweeb with two hands and an arse can put a bullet through someone's skull at close range. What's the chance of survival? And I suppose merely being in possession of a gun somehow imbues the wielder with magical powers of perfect aim...... At 10 feet with a target the size of an adult human and some considerable experience handling and shooting firearms? You don't need perfect aim, just "decent" aim. BBBAAAWWWAAAHHHHHAAAAAAA!!!!! 1 - I guarentee you don't have considerable experience with guns in close quarter combat conditions. You have considerable experience shooting targets although I doubt that also. 2 - I guarentee you, assuming that you could even get a shot off, that it would be high and to the right passing harmlessly by your assailant. 3 - I guarentee you, you would hesitate, freeze or your hands would shake so much you'd be a danger to yourself or others - but not the perp. Decent aim - BBBAAWWWWAAAHHHHAAAA!!!!! You are truly a piece or work. |
Gun saves another day
|
Gun saves another day
On 7/23/09 8:18 AM, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:25:11 -0400, H the wrote: On 7/22/09 9:11 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:08:54 -0700, wrote: p Oh for ****'s sake Gene, you're assuming whomever is weidling the knife is an expert. Flawed logic. The guy in this case obviously meant to kill both women but left one alive. Sound like a knife expert to you? Neither of the women were armed from what I understand. Any dweeb with two hands and an arse can put a bullet through someone's skull at close range. What's the chance of survival? And I suppose merely being in possession of a gun somehow imbues the wielder with magical powers of perfect aim...... At 10 feet with a target the size of an adult human and some considerable experience handling and shooting firearms? You don't need perfect aim, just "decent" aim. BBBAAAWWWAAAHHHHHAAAAAAA!!!!! 1 - I guarentee you don't have considerable experience with guns in close quarter combat conditions. You have considerable experience shooting targets although I doubt that also. 2 - I guarentee you, assuming that you could even get a shot off, that it would be high and to the right passing harmlessly by your assailant. 3 - I guarentee you, you would hesitate, freeze or your hands would shake so much you'd be a danger to yourself or others - but not the perp. Decent aim - BBBAAWWWWAAAHHHHAAAA!!!!! You are truly a piece or work. Ahh...our washed-up marine knife-throwing ninja goes into moron mode...again. -- A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant. |
Gun saves another day
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:15:05 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:07:39 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: 30 or so years ago I duck humted with the weapons officer of one of the bay area police forces. He stated, the average police shootout is at 6', 9 shots are fired and no one is hit. Hard to aim when ducking for cover. NYPD did an analysis of police combat. Your weapons officer friend isn't too far off the mark. I've also heard, can't swear to it's veracity, but the average cop never pulls his gun in the line of duty. http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm True. Add to that fact that when the combat reflexes kick in, even trained individuals have a hard time controlling kick backs, sideways drift and in right handers, the tendency to shoot high and to the right. Oddly in left handers, it's not high and to the right, but low and to the left. But Harry is a special individual - a very accomlished target shooter as I understand it. So maybe. |
Gun saves another day
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:53:30 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:37:45 -0400, H the K wrote: http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm My guess is that the police don't train sufficiently for close-in shooting. I always "warm-up" at the range by first shooting at a target 7 to 10 feet away, then about 20 feet away, and then I run the target out to 75 feet. You also need to learn a good pistol pointing technique. You might want to read down in the article where it states there is a clear disconnect between range marksmanship, and combat hitsmanship. I think Calif Bill is correct when he states "Hard to aim when ducking for cover." Don't argue with Harry - he's an expert on everything. As for training, NYPD is second to none. Er....Hello? Marine Corps? :) |
Gun saves another day
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:23:42 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
As for training, NYPD is second to none. Er....Hello? Marine Corps? :) Jarheads are trainable? ;-) |
Gun saves another day
On 7/23/09 8:19 AM, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:54:42 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:25:11 -0400, H the wrote: On 7/22/09 9:11 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:08:54 -0700, wrote: p Oh for ****'s sake Gene, you're assuming whomever is weidling the knife is an expert. Flawed logic. The guy in this case obviously meant to kill both women but left one alive. Sound like a knife expert to you? Neither of the women were armed from what I understand. Any dweeb with two hands and an arse can put a bullet through someone's skull at close range. What's the chance of survival? And I suppose merely being in possession of a gun somehow imbues the wielder with magical powers of perfect aim...... At 10 feet with a target the size of an adult human and some considerable experience handling and shooting firearms? You don't need perfect aim, just "decent" aim. I suppose you haven't seen those police dash camera pictures where trained police officers fire lots of ammo without hitting anyone. What you can do on the range may not translate to what you can do in bad light, when you are not really prepared and under more than a little stress. You can also have the problem with a 9mm or .38 that even a decently placed shot won't stop a motivated perpetrator before he can get to you. There are lots of places on the body, even in the head with no organs that a hole in will cause instant death. It is possible to end up dead next to your dying attacker. Just another case of Harry's superior abilities. The man is truly amazing. "A" decently placed shot? "A"? My mags hold 19 rounds. Why would I stop shooting while that "knife-wielding ninja" were still standing? -- A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant. |
Gun saves another day
On 7/23/09 8:22 AM, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:15:05 -0500, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:07:39 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: 30 or so years ago I duck humted with the weapons officer of one of the bay area police forces. He stated, the average police shootout is at 6', 9 shots are fired and no one is hit. Hard to aim when ducking for cover. NYPD did an analysis of police combat. Your weapons officer friend isn't too far off the mark. I've also heard, can't swear to it's veracity, but the average cop never pulls his gun in the line of duty. http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm True. Add to that fact that when the combat reflexes kick in, even trained individuals have a hard time controlling kick backs, sideways drift and in right handers, the tendency to shoot high and to the right. Oddly in left handers, it's not high and to the right, but low and to the left. But Harry is a special individual - a very accomlished target shooter as I understand it. So maybe. "Combat reflexes..." snerk Most cops never fire their guns in combat. What combat reflexes? I'm a decent shot on the range, that's all I claim to be with handguns...a decent shot. Certainly not up to the standards of a washed-up old fart who is still living in a marine uniform. -- A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant. |
Gun saves another day
On 7/23/09 8:23 AM, Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:53:30 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:37:45 -0400, H the K wrote: http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm My guess is that the police don't train sufficiently for close-in shooting. I always "warm-up" at the range by first shooting at a target 7 to 10 feet away, then about 20 feet away, and then I run the target out to 75 feet. You also need to learn a good pistol pointing technique. You might want to read down in the article where it states there is a clear disconnect between range marksmanship, and combat hitsmanship. I think Calif Bill is correct when he states "Hard to aim when ducking for cover." Don't argue with Harry - he's an expert on everything. As for training, NYPD is second to none. Er....Hello? Marine Corps? :) BFD -- A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant. |
Gun saves another day
On 7/23/09 8:29 AM, thunder wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:23:42 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock wrote: As for training, NYPD is second to none. Er....Hello? Marine Corps? :) Jarheads are trainable? ;-) They do a hell of a job shining shoes. I have seen them march around the barracks in DC. Their shoes are really, really shiny. Nice haircuts, too. -- A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant. |
Gun saves another day
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:29:34 -0500, thunder
wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 08:23:42 -0400, Yogi of Woodstock wrote: As for training, NYPD is second to none. Er....Hello? Marine Corps? :) Jarheads are trainable? ;-) ROTFL!!!!! Oh you will pay for that one my friend. Thats two I owe you. :) |
Gun saves another day
Yogi of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:15:05 -0500, thunder wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:07:39 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: 30 or so years ago I duck humted with the weapons officer of one of the bay area police forces. He stated, the average police shootout is at 6', 9 shots are fired and no one is hit. Hard to aim when ducking for cover. NYPD did an analysis of police combat. Your weapons officer friend isn't too far off the mark. I've also heard, can't swear to it's veracity, but the average cop never pulls his gun in the line of duty. http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm True. Add to that fact that when the combat reflexes kick in, even trained individuals have a hard time controlling kick backs, sideways drift and in right handers, the tendency to shoot high and to the right. Oddly in left handers, it's not high and to the right, but low and to the left. And that is the exact point where the martial artist will take his pistol and cram it up his fat ass. But Harry is a special individual - a very accomlished target shooter as I understand it. So maybe. Uh, yeah....... |
Gun saves another day
NotNow wrote:
Yogi of Woodstock wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:15:05 -0500, thunder wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:07:39 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: 30 or so years ago I duck humted with the weapons officer of one of the bay area police forces. He stated, the average police shootout is at 6', 9 shots are fired and no one is hit. Hard to aim when ducking for cover. NYPD did an analysis of police combat. Your weapons officer friend isn't too far off the mark. I've also heard, can't swear to it's veracity, but the average cop never pulls his gun in the line of duty. http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm True. Add to that fact that when the combat reflexes kick in, even trained individuals have a hard time controlling kick backs, sideways drift and in right handers, the tendency to shoot high and to the right. Oddly in left handers, it's not high and to the right, but low and to the left. And that is the exact point where the martial artist will take his pistol and cram it up his fat ass. But Harry is a special individual - a very accomlished target shooter as I understand it. So maybe. Uh, yeah....... Did I ever tell you about the time I shot the gun out of a bungler's hand with a single shot, then held him at bay with my pickup truck? -- Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects |
Gun saves another day
"jps" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:54:42 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:25:11 -0400, H the K wrote: On 7/22/09 9:11 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:08:54 -0700, wrote: p Oh for ****'s sake Gene, you're assuming whomever is weidling the knife is an expert. Flawed logic. The guy in this case obviously meant to kill both women but left one alive. Sound like a knife expert to you? Neither of the women were armed from what I understand. Any dweeb with two hands and an arse can put a bullet through someone's skull at close range. What's the chance of survival? And I suppose merely being in possession of a gun somehow imbues the wielder with magical powers of perfect aim...... At 10 feet with a target the size of an adult human and some considerable experience handling and shooting firearms? You don't need perfect aim, just "decent" aim. I suppose you haven't seen those police dash camera pictures where trained police officers fire lots of ammo without hitting anyone. What you can do on the range may not translate to what you can do in bad light, when you are not really prepared and under more than a little stress. We're talking about knives vs. guns. In the same circumstances, the knife is going to be just as difficult to handle as a deadly weapon as a gun. A shaking knife hand will probably be more dangerous than a shaking gun hand. |
Gun saves another day
Just Regigie wrote:
NotNow wrote: Yogi of Woodstock wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:15:05 -0500, thunder wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:07:39 -0700, Calif Bill wrote: 30 or so years ago I duck humted with the weapons officer of one of the bay area police forces. He stated, the average police shootout is at 6', 9 shots are fired and no one is hit. Hard to aim when ducking for cover. NYPD did an analysis of police combat. Your weapons officer friend isn't too far off the mark. I've also heard, can't swear to it's veracity, but the average cop never pulls his gun in the line of duty. http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm True. Add to that fact that when the combat reflexes kick in, even trained individuals have a hard time controlling kick backs, sideways drift and in right handers, the tendency to shoot high and to the right. Oddly in left handers, it's not high and to the right, but low and to the left. And that is the exact point where the martial artist will take his pistol and cram it up his fat ass. But Harry is a special individual - a very accomlished target shooter as I understand it. So maybe. Uh, yeah....... Did I ever tell you about the time I shot the gun out of a bungler's hand with a single shot, then held him at bay with my pickup truck? Didn't you get a fireboat welcome for that bravery? |
Gun saves another day
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 09:37:39 -0400, "D.Duck" wrote:
"jps" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:54:42 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:25:11 -0400, H the K wrote: On 7/22/09 9:11 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:08:54 -0700, wrote: p Oh for ****'s sake Gene, you're assuming whomever is weidling the knife is an expert. Flawed logic. The guy in this case obviously meant to kill both women but left one alive. Sound like a knife expert to you? Neither of the women were armed from what I understand. Any dweeb with two hands and an arse can put a bullet through someone's skull at close range. What's the chance of survival? And I suppose merely being in possession of a gun somehow imbues the wielder with magical powers of perfect aim...... At 10 feet with a target the size of an adult human and some considerable experience handling and shooting firearms? You don't need perfect aim, just "decent" aim. I suppose you haven't seen those police dash camera pictures where trained police officers fire lots of ammo without hitting anyone. What you can do on the range may not translate to what you can do in bad light, when you are not really prepared and under more than a little stress. We're talking about knives vs. guns. In the same circumstances, the knife is going to be just as difficult to handle as a deadly weapon as a gun. A shaking knife hand will probably be more dangerous than a shaking gun hand. While true in the abstract, somebody who uses a knife is more sure of the results than a person handling a gun. |
Gun saves another day
On 7/23/09 10:59 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:26:51 -0400, H the wrote: On 7/22/09 11:05 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:17:24 -0400, H the wrote: Oh...I've taken Sig's Close Quarter Operator's Course. ... and nobody told you not to put your finger in the trigger guard before you are going to shoot? That has been in self defense and police tactical shooting courses for decades. We were even starting to incorporate that into skeet shooting etiquette when I was in Md. Call the bird, point the gun, acquire the target, then put your finger in the hole and shoot, It is just a habit you should get into. This is best demonstrated in one of the most famous cop pictures in the world. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Gonzoles.jpg Heheh...you just keep on keepin' on. When you are in close quarters and someone is coming at you with a knife, it's time to put your finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger so you can shoot. We're not talking birds here. What would *you* wait for before putting your finger on the trigger and pulling it? Getting slashed or stabbed? Hey, you have to be careful around washed-up old marines wielding knives. It is all training. If that is what you were trained to do that time is insignificant. It reduces the chances of accidental discharge to almost zero. In a state like Maryland where any shooting, accidental or not is likely to draw a charge, that is an important thing to consider. EVERY police agency of any consequence teaches this protocol and you will be taught this in any credible gun handling course. It actually does help you point the gun faster in low light situations since you are just pointing your finger at the target. I agree you have to practice this a lot to build the muscle memory but it is worth doing. Yeah, well, if someone is 10' away and moving in with a knife, I'm already shooting. Any discharge will not be accidental. I'm well aware of the need to keep my finger off the trigger out of the guard until I am about to shoot. Under the circumstances we've been discussing, a knife attacker at close range moving in for the kill...I am about to shoot. Am I supposed to wait until I feel his breath on my eyelids? -- A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant. |
Gun saves another day
H the K wrote:
On 7/23/09 10:59 AM, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:26:51 -0400, H the wrote: On 7/22/09 11:05 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:17:24 -0400, H the wrote: Oh...I've taken Sig's Close Quarter Operator's Course. ... and nobody told you not to put your finger in the trigger guard before you are going to shoot? That has been in self defense and police tactical shooting courses for decades. We were even starting to incorporate that into skeet shooting etiquette when I was in Md. Call the bird, point the gun, acquire the target, then put your finger in the hole and shoot, It is just a habit you should get into. This is best demonstrated in one of the most famous cop pictures in the world. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Gonzoles.jpg Heheh...you just keep on keepin' on. When you are in close quarters and someone is coming at you with a knife, it's time to put your finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger so you can shoot. We're not talking birds here. What would *you* wait for before putting your finger on the trigger and pulling it? Getting slashed or stabbed? Hey, you have to be careful around washed-up old marines wielding knives. It is all training. If that is what you were trained to do that time is insignificant. It reduces the chances of accidental discharge to almost zero. In a state like Maryland where any shooting, accidental or not is likely to draw a charge, that is an important thing to consider. EVERY police agency of any consequence teaches this protocol and you will be taught this in any credible gun handling course. It actually does help you point the gun faster in low light situations since you are just pointing your finger at the target. I agree you have to practice this a lot to build the muscle memory but it is worth doing. Yeah, well, if someone is 10' away and moving in with a knife, I'm already shooting. Any discharge will not be accidental. I'm well aware of the need to keep my finger off the trigger out of the guard until I am about to shoot. Under the circumstances we've been discussing, a knife attacker at close range moving in for the kill...I am about to shoot. Am I supposed to wait until I feel his breath on my eyelids? You da man. For a liberal, you sure seem to be infatuated with shooting someone. You should probably move to Texas. -- Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects |
Gun saves another day
Just Regigie wrote:
H the K wrote: On 7/23/09 10:59 AM, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:26:51 -0400, H the wrote: On 7/22/09 11:05 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:17:24 -0400, H the wrote: Oh...I've taken Sig's Close Quarter Operator's Course. ... and nobody told you not to put your finger in the trigger guard before you are going to shoot? That has been in self defense and police tactical shooting courses for decades. We were even starting to incorporate that into skeet shooting etiquette when I was in Md. Call the bird, point the gun, acquire the target, then put your finger in the hole and shoot, It is just a habit you should get into. This is best demonstrated in one of the most famous cop pictures in the world. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Gonzoles.jpg Heheh...you just keep on keepin' on. When you are in close quarters and someone is coming at you with a knife, it's time to put your finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger so you can shoot. We're not talking birds here. What would *you* wait for before putting your finger on the trigger and pulling it? Getting slashed or stabbed? Hey, you have to be careful around washed-up old marines wielding knives. It is all training. If that is what you were trained to do that time is insignificant. It reduces the chances of accidental discharge to almost zero. In a state like Maryland where any shooting, accidental or not is likely to draw a charge, that is an important thing to consider. EVERY police agency of any consequence teaches this protocol and you will be taught this in any credible gun handling course. It actually does help you point the gun faster in low light situations since you are just pointing your finger at the target. I agree you have to practice this a lot to build the muscle memory but it is worth doing. Yeah, well, if someone is 10' away and moving in with a knife, I'm already shooting. Any discharge will not be accidental. I'm well aware of the need to keep my finger off the trigger out of the guard until I am about to shoot. Under the circumstances we've been discussing, a knife attacker at close range moving in for the kill...I am about to shoot. Am I supposed to wait until I feel his breath on my eyelids? You da man. For a liberal, you sure seem to be infatuated with shooting someone. You should probably move to Texas. Remember a few years ago? Harry used to go around saying that people used guns as a substitute for a penis? Wonder what happened to Harry's?! |
Gun saves another day
On Jul 23, 11:07*am, H the K wrote:
On 7/23/09 10:59 AM, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:26:51 -0400, H the wrote: On 7/22/09 11:05 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:17:24 -0400, H the wrote: Oh...I've taken Sig's Close Quarter Operator's Course. ... and nobody told you not to put your finger in the trigger guard before you are going to shoot? That has been in self defense and police tactical shooting courses for decades. We were even starting to incorporate that into skeet shooting etiquette when I was in Md. Call the bird, point the gun, acquire the target, then put your finger in the hole and shoot, It is just a habit you should get into. This is best demonstrated in one of the most famous cop pictures in the world. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Gonzoles.jpg Heheh...you just keep on keepin' on. When you are in close quarters and * someone is coming at you with a knife, it's time to put your finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger so you can shoot. We're not talking birds here. What would *you* wait for before putting your finger on the trigger and pulling it? Getting slashed or stabbed? Hey, you have to be careful around washed-up old marines wielding knives. It is all training. If that is what you were trained to do that time is insignificant. It reduces the chances of accidental discharge to almost zero. In a state like Maryland where any shooting, accidental or not is likely to draw a charge, that is an important thing to consider. EVERY police agency of any consequence teaches this protocol and you will be taught this in any credible gun handling course. It actually does help you point the gun faster in low light situations since you are just pointing your finger at the target. I agree you have to practice this a lot to build the muscle memory but it is worth doing. Yeah, well, if someone is 10' away and moving in with a knife, I'm already shooting. Any discharge will not be accidental. Except for the wet spot in your pants. ~SNERK~ |
Gun saves another day
NotNow wrote:
Just Regigie wrote: H the K wrote: On 7/23/09 10:59 AM, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:26:51 -0400, H the wrote: On 7/22/09 11:05 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:17:24 -0400, H the wrote: Oh...I've taken Sig's Close Quarter Operator's Course. ... and nobody told you not to put your finger in the trigger guard before you are going to shoot? That has been in self defense and police tactical shooting courses for decades. We were even starting to incorporate that into skeet shooting etiquette when I was in Md. Call the bird, point the gun, acquire the target, then put your finger in the hole and shoot, It is just a habit you should get into. This is best demonstrated in one of the most famous cop pictures in the world. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Gonzoles.jpg Heheh...you just keep on keepin' on. When you are in close quarters and someone is coming at you with a knife, it's time to put your finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger so you can shoot. We're not talking birds here. What would *you* wait for before putting your finger on the trigger and pulling it? Getting slashed or stabbed? Hey, you have to be careful around washed-up old marines wielding knives. It is all training. If that is what you were trained to do that time is insignificant. It reduces the chances of accidental discharge to almost zero. In a state like Maryland where any shooting, accidental or not is likely to draw a charge, that is an important thing to consider. EVERY police agency of any consequence teaches this protocol and you will be taught this in any credible gun handling course. It actually does help you point the gun faster in low light situations since you are just pointing your finger at the target. I agree you have to practice this a lot to build the muscle memory but it is worth doing. Yeah, well, if someone is 10' away and moving in with a knife, I'm already shooting. Any discharge will not be accidental. I'm well aware of the need to keep my finger off the trigger out of the guard until I am about to shoot. Under the circumstances we've been discussing, a knife attacker at close range moving in for the kill...I am about to shoot. Am I supposed to wait until I feel his breath on my eyelids? You da man. For a liberal, you sure seem to be infatuated with shooting someone. You should probably move to Texas. Remember a few years ago? Harry used to go around saying that people used guns as a substitute for a penis? Wonder what happened to Harry's?! It got lost in a roll of fat -- Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. This Newsgroup post is a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance its individual character and beauty and in no way are to be considered flaws or defects |
Gun saves another day
NotNow wrote:
Just Regigie wrote: H the K wrote: On 7/23/09 10:59 AM, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:26:51 -0400, H the wrote: On 7/22/09 11:05 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:17:24 -0400, H the wrote: Oh...I've taken Sig's Close Quarter Operator's Course. ... and nobody told you not to put your finger in the trigger guard before you are going to shoot? That has been in self defense and police tactical shooting courses for decades. We were even starting to incorporate that into skeet shooting etiquette when I was in Md. Call the bird, point the gun, acquire the target, then put your finger in the hole and shoot, It is just a habit you should get into. This is best demonstrated in one of the most famous cop pictures in the world. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Gonzoles.jpg Heheh...you just keep on keepin' on. When you are in close quarters and someone is coming at you with a knife, it's time to put your finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger so you can shoot. We're not talking birds here. What would *you* wait for before putting your finger on the trigger and pulling it? Getting slashed or stabbed? Hey, you have to be careful around washed-up old marines wielding knives. It is all training. If that is what you were trained to do that time is insignificant. It reduces the chances of accidental discharge to almost zero. In a state like Maryland where any shooting, accidental or not is likely to draw a charge, that is an important thing to consider. EVERY police agency of any consequence teaches this protocol and you will be taught this in any credible gun handling course. It actually does help you point the gun faster in low light situations since you are just pointing your finger at the target. I agree you have to practice this a lot to build the muscle memory but it is worth doing. Yeah, well, if someone is 10' away and moving in with a knife, I'm already shooting. Any discharge will not be accidental. I'm well aware of the need to keep my finger off the trigger out of the guard until I am about to shoot. Under the circumstances we've been discussing, a knife attacker at close range moving in for the kill...I am about to shoot. Am I supposed to wait until I feel his breath on my eyelids? You da man. For a liberal, you sure seem to be infatuated with shooting someone. You should probably move to Texas. Remember a few years ago? Harry used to go around saying that people used guns as a substitute for a penis? Wonder what happened to Harry's?! snerk |
Gun saves another day
Jack wrote:
On Jul 23, 11:07 am, H the K wrote: On 7/23/09 10:59 AM, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:26:51 -0400, H the wrote: On 7/22/09 11:05 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:17:24 -0400, H the wrote: Oh...I've taken Sig's Close Quarter Operator's Course. ... and nobody told you not to put your finger in the trigger guard before you are going to shoot? That has been in self defense and police tactical shooting courses for decades. We were even starting to incorporate that into skeet shooting etiquette when I was in Md. Call the bird, point the gun, acquire the target, then put your finger in the hole and shoot, It is just a habit you should get into. This is best demonstrated in one of the most famous cop pictures in the world. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Gonzoles.jpg Heheh...you just keep on keepin' on. When you are in close quarters and someone is coming at you with a knife, it's time to put your finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger so you can shoot. We're not talking birds here. What would *you* wait for before putting your finger on the trigger and pulling it? Getting slashed or stabbed? Hey, you have to be careful around washed-up old marines wielding knives. It is all training. If that is what you were trained to do that time is insignificant. It reduces the chances of accidental discharge to almost zero. In a state like Maryland where any shooting, accidental or not is likely to draw a charge, that is an important thing to consider. EVERY police agency of any consequence teaches this protocol and you will be taught this in any credible gun handling course. It actually does help you point the gun faster in low light situations since you are just pointing your finger at the target. I agree you have to practice this a lot to build the muscle memory but it is worth doing. Yeah, well, if someone is 10' away and moving in with a knife, I'm already shooting. Any discharge will not be accidental. Except for the wet spot in your pants. ~SNERK~ LOL!!! he certainly is afa.. |
Gun saves another day
On 7/23/09 2:42 PM, Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote:
Jack wrote: On Jul 23, 11:07 am, H the K wrote: On 7/23/09 10:59 AM, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:26:51 -0400, H the wrote: On 7/22/09 11:05 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:17:24 -0400, H the wrote: Oh...I've taken Sig's Close Quarter Operator's Course. ... and nobody told you not to put your finger in the trigger guard before you are going to shoot? That has been in self defense and police tactical shooting courses for decades. We were even starting to incorporate that into skeet shooting etiquette when I was in Md. Call the bird, point the gun, acquire the target, then put your finger in the hole and shoot, It is just a habit you should get into. This is best demonstrated in one of the most famous cop pictures in the world. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Gonzoles.jpg Heheh...you just keep on keepin' on. When you are in close quarters and someone is coming at you with a knife, it's time to put your finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger so you can shoot. We're not talking birds here. What would *you* wait for before putting your finger on the trigger and pulling it? Getting slashed or stabbed? Hey, you have to be careful around washed-up old marines wielding knives. It is all training. If that is what you were trained to do that time is insignificant. It reduces the chances of accidental discharge to almost zero. In a state like Maryland where any shooting, accidental or not is likely to draw a charge, that is an important thing to consider. EVERY police agency of any consequence teaches this protocol and you will be taught this in any credible gun handling course. It actually does help you point the gun faster in low light situations since you are just pointing your finger at the target. I agree you have to practice this a lot to build the muscle memory but it is worth doing. Yeah, well, if someone is 10' away and moving in with a knife, I'm already shooting. Any discharge will not be accidental. Except for the wet spot in your pants. ~SNERK~ LOL!!! he certainly is afa.. Ahhh...comments from a jackoff and a moron who gets tossed down the stairs and a police station. Short, fat and stupid, all rolled into one: http://tinyurl.com/mrolrg -- A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant. |
Gun saves another day
"H the K" wrote in message m... On 7/23/09 2:42 PM, Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote: Jack wrote: On Jul 23, 11:07 am, H the K wrote: On 7/23/09 10:59 AM, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:26:51 -0400, H the wrote: On 7/22/09 11:05 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:17:24 -0400, H the wrote: Oh...I've taken Sig's Close Quarter Operator's Course. ... and nobody told you not to put your finger in the trigger guard before you are going to shoot? That has been in self defense and police tactical shooting courses for decades. We were even starting to incorporate that into skeet shooting etiquette when I was in Md. Call the bird, point the gun, acquire the target, then put your finger in the hole and shoot, It is just a habit you should get into. This is best demonstrated in one of the most famous cop pictures in the world. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Gonzoles.jpg Heheh...you just keep on keepin' on. When you are in close quarters and someone is coming at you with a knife, it's time to put your finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger so you can shoot. We're not talking birds here. What would *you* wait for before putting your finger on the trigger and pulling it? Getting slashed or stabbed? Hey, you have to be careful around washed-up old marines wielding knives. It is all training. If that is what you were trained to do that time is insignificant. It reduces the chances of accidental discharge to almost zero. In a state like Maryland where any shooting, accidental or not is likely to draw a charge, that is an important thing to consider. EVERY police agency of any consequence teaches this protocol and you will be taught this in any credible gun handling course. It actually does help you point the gun faster in low light situations since you are just pointing your finger at the target. I agree you have to practice this a lot to build the muscle memory but it is worth doing. Yeah, well, if someone is 10' away and moving in with a knife, I'm already shooting. Any discharge will not be accidental. Except for the wet spot in your pants. ~SNERK~ LOL!!! he certainly is afa.. Ahhh...comments from a jackoff and a moron who gets tossed down the stairs and a police station. Short, fat and stupid, all rolled into one: http://tinyurl.com/mrolrg -- That freak guy is a pudgy little character. |
Gun saves another day
"NotNow" wrote in message ... Just Regigie wrote: H the K wrote: On 7/23/09 10:59 AM, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:26:51 -0400, H the wrote: On 7/22/09 11:05 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:17:24 -0400, H the wrote: Oh...I've taken Sig's Close Quarter Operator's Course. ... and nobody told you not to put your finger in the trigger guard before you are going to shoot? That has been in self defense and police tactical shooting courses for decades. We were even starting to incorporate that into skeet shooting etiquette when I was in Md. Call the bird, point the gun, acquire the target, then put your finger in the hole and shoot, It is just a habit you should get into. This is best demonstrated in one of the most famous cop pictures in the world. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Gonzoles.jpg Heheh...you just keep on keepin' on. When you are in close quarters and someone is coming at you with a knife, it's time to put your finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger so you can shoot. We're not talking birds here. What would *you* wait for before putting your finger on the trigger and pulling it? Getting slashed or stabbed? Hey, you have to be careful around washed-up old marines wielding knives. It is all training. If that is what you were trained to do that time is insignificant. It reduces the chances of accidental discharge to almost zero. In a state like Maryland where any shooting, accidental or not is likely to draw a charge, that is an important thing to consider. EVERY police agency of any consequence teaches this protocol and you will be taught this in any credible gun handling course. It actually does help you point the gun faster in low light situations since you are just pointing your finger at the target. I agree you have to practice this a lot to build the muscle memory but it is worth doing. Yeah, well, if someone is 10' away and moving in with a knife, I'm already shooting. Any discharge will not be accidental. I'm well aware of the need to keep my finger off the trigger out of the guard until I am about to shoot. Under the circumstances we've been discussing, a knife attacker at close range moving in for the kill...I am about to shoot. Am I supposed to wait until I feel his breath on my eyelids? You da man. For a liberal, you sure seem to be infatuated with shooting someone. You should probably move to Texas. Remember a few years ago? Harry used to go around saying that people used guns as a substitute for a penis? Wonder what happened to Harry's?! Different Harry Morph. |
Gun saves another day
"Yogi of Woodstock" wrote in message ... On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:53:30 -0500, thunder wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:37:45 -0400, H the K wrote: http://www.virginiacops.org/Articles...ing/Combat.htm My guess is that the police don't train sufficiently for close-in shooting. I always "warm-up" at the range by first shooting at a target 7 to 10 feet away, then about 20 feet away, and then I run the target out to 75 feet. You also need to learn a good pistol pointing technique. You might want to read down in the article where it states there is a clear disconnect between range marksmanship, and combat hitsmanship. I think Calif Bill is correct when he states "Hard to aim when ducking for cover." Don't argue with Harry - he's an expert on everything. As for training, NYPD is second to none. Er....Hello? Marine Corps? :) The only people who do not have to be as accurate as the Marines is the Air Force. We drop a 500-2000# bomb and big hole. |
Gun saves another day
On 7/23/09 3:54 PM, Don White wrote:
"H the wrote in message m... On 7/23/09 2:42 PM, Just wait a frekin' minute! wrote: Jack wrote: On Jul 23, 11:07 am, H the wrote: On 7/23/09 10:59 AM, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:26:51 -0400, H the wrote: On 7/22/09 11:05 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:17:24 -0400, H the wrote: Oh...I've taken Sig's Close Quarter Operator's Course. ... and nobody told you not to put your finger in the trigger guard before you are going to shoot? That has been in self defense and police tactical shooting courses for decades. We were even starting to incorporate that into skeet shooting etiquette when I was in Md. Call the bird, point the gun, acquire the target, then put your finger in the hole and shoot, It is just a habit you should get into. This is best demonstrated in one of the most famous cop pictures in the world. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Gonzoles.jpg Heheh...you just keep on keepin' on. When you are in close quarters and someone is coming at you with a knife, it's time to put your finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger so you can shoot. We're not talking birds here. What would *you* wait for before putting your finger on the trigger and pulling it? Getting slashed or stabbed? Hey, you have to be careful around washed-up old marines wielding knives. It is all training. If that is what you were trained to do that time is insignificant. It reduces the chances of accidental discharge to almost zero. In a state like Maryland where any shooting, accidental or not is likely to draw a charge, that is an important thing to consider. EVERY police agency of any consequence teaches this protocol and you will be taught this in any credible gun handling course. It actually does help you point the gun faster in low light situations since you are just pointing your finger at the target. I agree you have to practice this a lot to build the muscle memory but it is worth doing. Yeah, well, if someone is 10' away and moving in with a knife, I'm already shooting. Any discharge will not be accidental. Except for the wet spot in your pants. ~SNERK~ LOL!!! he certainly is afa.. Ahhh...comments from a jackoff and a moron who gets tossed down the stairs and a police station. Short, fat and stupid, all rolled into one: http://tinyurl.com/mrolrg -- That freak guy is a pudgy little character. He looks like a munchkin, actually, but chubbier: http://strawberryfieldsforever.files...munchkins2.jpg |
Gun saves another day
"Yogi of Woodstock" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:54:42 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:25:11 -0400, H the K wrote: On 7/22/09 9:11 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:08:54 -0700, wrote: p Oh for ****'s sake Gene, you're assuming whomever is weidling the knife is an expert. Flawed logic. The guy in this case obviously meant to kill both women but left one alive. Sound like a knife expert to you? Neither of the women were armed from what I understand. Any dweeb with two hands and an arse can put a bullet through someone's skull at close range. What's the chance of survival? And I suppose merely being in possession of a gun somehow imbues the wielder with magical powers of perfect aim...... At 10 feet with a target the size of an adult human and some considerable experience handling and shooting firearms? You don't need perfect aim, just "decent" aim. I suppose you haven't seen those police dash camera pictures where trained police officers fire lots of ammo without hitting anyone. What you can do on the range may not translate to what you can do in bad light, when you are not really prepared and under more than a little stress. You can also have the problem with a 9mm or .38 that even a decently placed shot won't stop a motivated perpetrator before he can get to you. There are lots of places on the body, even in the head with no organs that a hole in will cause instant death. It is possible to end up dead next to your dying attacker. Just another case of Harry's superior abilities. The man is truly amazing. And if he had been in a combat role in SEA instead of a non combatant role, he would have ended the war single handedly. There would not be a VC alive today. |
Gun saves another day
On 7/23/09 4:00 PM, Calif Bill wrote:
"Yogi of wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:54:42 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 21:25:11 -0400, H the wrote: On 7/22/09 9:11 PM, Gene wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:08:54 -0700, wrote: p Oh for ****'s sake Gene, you're assuming whomever is weidling the knife is an expert. Flawed logic. The guy in this case obviously meant to kill both women but left one alive. Sound like a knife expert to you? Neither of the women were armed from what I understand. Any dweeb with two hands and an arse can put a bullet through someone's skull at close range. What's the chance of survival? And I suppose merely being in possession of a gun somehow imbues the wielder with magical powers of perfect aim...... At 10 feet with a target the size of an adult human and some considerable experience handling and shooting firearms? You don't need perfect aim, just "decent" aim. I suppose you haven't seen those police dash camera pictures where trained police officers fire lots of ammo without hitting anyone. What you can do on the range may not translate to what you can do in bad light, when you are not really prepared and under more than a little stress. You can also have the problem with a 9mm or .38 that even a decently placed shot won't stop a motivated perpetrator before he can get to you. There are lots of places on the body, even in the head with no organs that a hole in will cause instant death. It is possible to end up dead next to your dying attacker. Just another case of Harry's superior abilities. The man is truly amazing. And if he had been in a combat role in SEA instead of a non combatant role, he would have ended the war single handedly. There would not be a VC alive today. If I had been in charge, I would have gotten our troops out of there in 1964. -- A wise Latina makes better decisions than a dumb elephant. |
Gun saves another day
On 7/23/09 3:54 PM, Calif Bill wrote:
wrote in message ... Just Regigie wrote: H the K wrote: On 7/23/09 10:59 AM, wrote: On Thu, 23 Jul 2009 06:26:51 -0400, H the wrote: On 7/22/09 11:05 PM, wrote: On Wed, 22 Jul 2009 22:17:24 -0400, H the wrote: Oh...I've taken Sig's Close Quarter Operator's Course. ... and nobody told you not to put your finger in the trigger guard before you are going to shoot? That has been in self defense and police tactical shooting courses for decades. We were even starting to incorporate that into skeet shooting etiquette when I was in Md. Call the bird, point the gun, acquire the target, then put your finger in the hole and shoot, It is just a habit you should get into. This is best demonstrated in one of the most famous cop pictures in the world. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Gonzoles.jpg Heheh...you just keep on keepin' on. When you are in close quarters and someone is coming at you with a knife, it's time to put your finger inside the trigger guard and on the trigger so you can shoot. We're not talking birds here. What would *you* wait for before putting your finger on the trigger and pulling it? Getting slashed or stabbed? Hey, you have to be careful around washed-up old marines wielding knives. It is all training. If that is what you were trained to do that time is insignificant. It reduces the chances of accidental discharge to almost zero. In a state like Maryland where any shooting, accidental or not is likely to draw a charge, that is an important thing to consider. EVERY police agency of any consequence teaches this protocol and you will be taught this in any credible gun handling course. It actually does help you point the gun faster in low light situations since you are just pointing your finger at the target. I agree you have to practice this a lot to build the muscle memory but it is worth doing. Yeah, well, if someone is 10' away and moving in with a knife, I'm already shooting. Any discharge will not be accidental. I'm well aware of the need to keep my finger off the trigger out of the guard until I am about to shoot. Under the circumstances we've been discussing, a knife attacker at close range moving in for the kill...I am about to shoot. Am I supposed to wait until I feel his breath on my eyelids? You da man. For a liberal, you sure seem to be infatuated with shooting someone. You should probably move to Texas. Remember a few years ago? Harry used to go around saying that people used guns as a substitute for a penis? Wonder what happened to Harry's?! Different Harry Morph. I owe it all to rec.boats, and the right-wing psychotics who inhabit it. |
Gun saves another day
While true in the abstract, somebody who uses a knife is more sure of the results than a person handling a gun. That is proven by the statistical fact that at a range of three feet, more people are stabbed than wounded by gunfire. It is truly amazing that at arm's length, a person can miss with a gun, but have better luck with a knife. Another thing that has not been stated: a knife is infinitely more intimidating than a gun. If you can put some distance between you and the perp, the dangers from either a knife or a gun drop exponentially. But up close and personal in a fight where the two combatants are not ever disengaged, a knife usually wins, exacts more damage, or leads to lethal consequences. Steve |
| All times are GMT +1. The time now is 06:39 AM. |
Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2014 BoatBanter.com