On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:55:56 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Jack" wrote in message
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Reformers' Claims Just Don't Add Up
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, July 17, 2009 4:20 PM PT


• America has a health care crisis.

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America does not have a health care crisis.

America has a welfare crisis.

My wife pays a bit over 25% of her gross salary for our insurance.
Quite a "tax" there, huh?
But we have other income.
Her workmates make less than her, and have more people to insure.
Guess what they pay for insurance?
Nothing.
They go to the emergency room.
For everything.
Can't afford anything else.
I wonder who pays for those e-room services.
Neat system, eh?

--Vic

On Jul 18, 9:58*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:55:56 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:





"Jack" wrote in message
...

Reformers' Claims Just Don't Add Up
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, July 17, 2009 4:20 PM PT

• America has a health care crisis.

---------------------------------

America does not have a health care crisis.

America has a welfare crisis.

My wife pays a bit over 25% of her gross salary for our insurance.
Quite a "tax" there, huh?
But we have other income.
Her workmates make less than her, and have more people to insure.
Guess what they pay for insurance?
Nothing.
They go to the emergency room.
For everything.
Can't afford anything else.
I wonder who pays for those e-room services.
Neat system, eh?

--Vic

Sounds like you need to get a job with some benefits, and rescue your
wife from having to support you and from providing you with your own
health care.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:40:49 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:

On Jul 18, 9:58Â*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:55:56 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:





"Jack" wrote in message
...

Reformers' Claims Just Don't Add Up
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, July 17, 2009 4:20 PM PT

• America has a health care crisis.

---------------------------------

America does not have a health care crisis.

America has a welfare crisis.

My wife pays a bit over 25% of her gross salary for our insurance.
Quite a "tax" there, huh?
But we have other income.
Her workmates make less than her, and have more people to insure.
Guess what they pay for insurance?
Nothing.
They go to the emergency room.
For everything.
Can't afford anything else.
I wonder who pays for those e-room services.
Neat system, eh?

--Vic

Sounds like you need to get a job with some benefits, and rescue your
wife from having to support you and from providing you with your own
health care.

Why would I do that? I like retirement, and I'm doing just fine.
And so is she.
Sounds like you should leave the sermons to Father Ryan.
You're not good at it.

--Vic

On Jul 18, 10:52*pm, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:40:49 -0700 (PDT), Jack
wrote:



On Jul 18, 9:58*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:55:56 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Jack" wrote in message
....

Reformers' Claims Just Don't Add Up
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, July 17, 2009 4:20 PM PT

• America has a health care crisis.

---------------------------------

America does not have a health care crisis.

America has a welfare crisis.

My wife pays a bit over 25% of her gross salary for our insurance.
Quite a "tax" there, huh?
But we have other income.
Her workmates make less than her, and have more people to insure.
Guess what they pay for insurance?
Nothing.
They go to the emergency room.
For everything.
Can't afford anything else.
I wonder who pays for those e-room services.
Neat system, eh?

--Vic

Sounds like you need to get a job with some benefits, and rescue your
wife from having to support you and from providing you with your own
health care.

Why would I do that? *I like retirement, and I'm doing just fine.
And so is she.
Sounds like you should leave the sermons to Father Ryan.
You're not good at it.

--Vic

Ah... it sounded like you were complaining about the high cost of
insurance. But now I understand that you're both "retired", with your
wife choosing to work at a basic job where the insurance cost 25% of
her pay. Nothing wrong with that.

I agree that the people who choose to not insure, then use the
emergency room for free health care is a problem. However, if you're
rooting for national health care so your wife can quit work and I'll
have to pick up your health care tab... well, I have a problem with
that.

Preach on.

Jack wrote:
On Jul 18, 9:58 pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:55:56 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:





"Jack" wrote in message
...
Reformers' Claims Just Don't Add Up
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, July 17, 2009 4:20 PM PT
• America has a health care crisis.
---------------------------------
America does not have a health care crisis.
America has a welfare crisis.
My wife pays a bit over 25% of her gross salary for our insurance.
Quite a "tax" there, huh?
But we have other income.
Her workmates make less than her, and have more people to insure.
Guess what they pay for insurance?
Nothing.
They go to the emergency room.
For everything.
Can't afford anything else.
I wonder who pays for those e-room services.
Neat system, eh?

--Vic

Sounds like you need to get a job with some benefits, and rescue your
wife from having to support you and from providing you with your own
health care.


Another compassionate, empathetic Republican.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:40:49 -0700, Jack wrote:


Sounds like you need to get a job with some benefits, and rescue your
wife from having to support you and from providing you with your own
health care.

Yeah, but ... tying health care to business is the wrong approach, IMO.
Besides the anti-competitive costs to business in the world market, if
you get sick with a long-term illness, you are SOL. A dirty little
secret, most employee health insurance policies end when you aren't
collecting a pay check. Try paying for CORBA with just a disability
check, if you even get a disability check.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:59:18 -0500, thunder
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:40:49 -0700, Jack wrote:


Sounds like you need to get a job with some benefits, and rescue your
wife from having to support you and from providing you with your own
health care.

Yeah, but ... tying health care to business is the wrong approach, IMO.
Besides the anti-competitive costs to business in the world market, if
you get sick with a long-term illness, you are SOL. A dirty little
secret, most employee health insurance policies end when you aren't
collecting a pay check. Try paying for CORBA with just a disability
check, if you even get a disability check.

I believe there is a need for a national system for situations like
this.

What I don't like about this Obamacare is that it's going to force
choices on people and that bothers me.

From what I've been reading, if your job status changes (like changing
jobs/companies, etc.) or there are benefit changes (like an increase
in co-pay), you and/or your employer are forced into the "qualified"
system rather than just pay the increased co-pay. The "qualified"
plans are run by Federal bureaucrats who are going to tell you what is
and what isn't acceptable.

Additionally, if would appear that treatments will be rationed by
"cost effectiveness". Meaning that, to use me for example, if the
Feds decide that the Retuxin treatment isn't effective because of cost
vs my age (I'll be 63 on Monday), that I'll be forced into a
different treatment that is cheaper and not as effective - but it will
cost less.

Personally, I don't want to be taking percocet for the rest of my life
because some douche bag bureaucrat decides that my treatment isn't
worth the money being spent on a costly, but very effective treatment
regime. If what I"m reading is correct, I can't even pay for the
treatment myself - that's not an option.

And you have to be suspicious of this Obamacare if Congress critters
aren't getting the same Obamacare as the average citizen.

"In the health debate, liberals sing Hari Krishnas to the "public
option" -- a new federal insurance program like Medicare -- but if
it's good enough for the middle class, then surely it's good enough
for the political class too? As it happens, more than a few Democrats
disagree.

On Tuesday, the Senate health committee voted 12-11 in favor of a
two-page amendment courtesy of Republican Tom Coburn that would
require all Members and their staffs to enroll in any new
government-run health plan. Yet all Democrats -- with the exceptions
of acting chairman Chris Dodd, Barbara Mikulski and Ted Kennedy via
proxy -- voted nay."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124786946165760369.html

That right there has got to tell you something and as I understand it,
Federal employees will get the keep their very generous plans - paid
for by the taxpayer.

It's got to say something when even Bernie Sanders wants to stay out
of the very system he is to hot to trot on. Personally, I agree with
the general consensus on this - if it's good enough for me and you,
it's good enough for them too.

Dollars to donuts, Obamacare wouldn't even make it out of comittee if
the Congress critters were forced to accept the same system as the
American citizen.

Do we need some kind of health care system for those who can't afford
it or protect them and their families? Yes - absolutely - I agree.

Do I need it or want it? Absolutely not.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:59:18 -0500, thunder wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:40:49 -0700, Jack wrote:


Sounds like you need to get a job with some benefits, and rescue your
wife from having to support you and from providing you with your own
health care.

Yeah, but ... tying health care to business is the wrong approach, IMO.
Besides the anti-competitive costs to business in the world market, if
you get sick with a long-term illness, you are SOL. A dirty little
secret, most employee health insurance policies end when you aren't
collecting a pay check. Try paying for CORBA with just a disability
check, if you even get a disability check.

This is usually the point when the insurance carrier declairs that it was
a pre-existing condition and refuse to pay anything.

Been there for that approach.

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:58:58 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:55:56 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Jack" wrote in message
...

Reformers' Claims Just Don't Add Up
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, July 17, 2009 4:20 PM PT


• America has a health care crisis.

---------------------------------

America does not have a health care crisis.

America has a welfare crisis.

My wife pays a bit over 25% of her gross salary for our insurance.
Quite a "tax" there, huh?
But we have other income.
Her workmates make less than her, and have more people to insure.
Guess what they pay for insurance?
Nothing.
They go to the emergency room.
For everything.
Can't afford anything else.
I wonder who pays for those e-room services.
Neat system, eh?

--Vic

Exactly. We're all taking it in the shorts for a screwed up system.

Jack wrote:
Reformers' Claims Just Don't Add Up
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Friday, July 17, 2009 4:20 PM PT

Health Reform: Many extravagant claims have been made on behalf of the
various health care "reforms" now emerging from Congress and the White
House. But on closer inspection, virtually all prove to be false.


I have what is continually described as "Gold Plated Health Care," by
those who tell me I have have the best and how happy I am, and get the
best health care in the world.

My hearing changed one afternoon, lost all high frequency hearing in the
right ear. This is "Sudden Hearing loss." According to what I have
read, immediate treatment (within one week) might restore the lost hearing.

The first Ear, Nose and Throat specialist insisted it was long term
hearing loss and isn't treatable.

Second opinion, second doctor, several days later, recognized it as
sudden hearing loss and sent me for an MRI, but no treatment was offered.

Got a referral to a good specialist, had to wait two months for an
appointment. I'm still waiting.

Now, just why is it that the Canadian system would be worse?