On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:39:09 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:



Altruism? Whats that?

What you'll tell your wife.

--Vic

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:49:41 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Biggest problem with the Honda EU1000-2000's is they are air-cooled
noisy and relatively low hp, maybe 5 hp or so.

Um...huh?

I just bought a 2000i for my son's pontoon boat and I've tested it -
it's pretty damn quiet - about the level of an window mounted air
conditioner on high - less actually. And the "noise" is more like
white noise than generator noise.

We had to shut down the kitchen electrical power during the remodel
last week and I ran the 2000i on the deck to run the TV - I was
sitting within 8 feet of it and I could hear the kids next door, the
local dogs, cars going by on the street while I was reading some
technical material - didn't bother me any.

And what smell?

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:40:49 -0400, "Just wait a frekin' minute!"
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:19:57 -0400, wrote:


Probably not exactly what you are looking for but it will keep your
batteries up
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/redneck_power.jpg

Dang! That's right purty.

--Vic

Damn you Vic, you made me look.... errrrrr.... only one eye though, I
know better than to open links from certain folks... Specially them
liberals like Gene Or of course anything by shor.... er, uh, forget
it...

Watch it boy. I know where you live. :)

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:07:36 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:49:41 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Questions:

1: Is the noise of the honda due to its exhausting into air?

That's a major part of it but the mechanical noise is also
significant.

2: Dont people who use these already have a diesel engine that should
power their alternator (seems not to be the case).

They seem to be showing up mostly on boats that do not have
permanently installed generators, no other pattern that I've seen. One
of the most annoying that we've encountered was on a 30 something
powerboat that was apparently running it for refrigeration. The boat
was on a mooring next to ours for several days and the generator was
being run more than half the time.

3: Is it outboard powered sailboats that have these problematic
generators?

No, a fair number of inboard sailboats also have them. They're OK if
used only for emergency charging or repairs.

4: Would the problem be alleviated by exhausting into the water via a
water lift exhaust as most inboard diesels do?

Possibly but it's hard to say without some testing.

I wonder if it has something to do with the hull or deck?

I have a 2000i (I posted about it further up the thread) and I think
it's very quiet compared to other small generators.

Now compared to the 15kw Kubota 3 cylinder diesel house generator,
it's positively silent. :)

Seriously, I have to wonder if it's something about the boats that
causes the problem rather than the generator itself. The 2000i is
rated at rougly 50dB which is normal conversation "noise" level. As
far as I'm concerned, it's quieter than that.

Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:02:57 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:

UNFORTUNATELY (fortunately from my employees perspective), I suddenly
came up with this idea for x-ray optics for mammography (now where'd
that come from). I knew for awhile it might be possible but never
looked into it enough. Now, I find there are roughly 10,000
mammography units in the USA each costing from $200,000 to $400,000.
If we could make these x-ray optics to be sold for $20,000 each, well,
$20,000 times 10,000 units is a big amount of money, enough to get
venture capital types interested. Kinda looks as if my idle time will
be soon filled.

I'm sure the women of america and their physicians will have a difficult
time deciding from one of your cheap rube goldberg substitutions for
standard mammography gear, and the non-mammographic research and devices
being developed at the reputable Dartmouth School of Medicine.

Probably similar to what Cardinal Bellarmine told Galileo.
Dartmouth being the Rome Church.

--Vic


Unlikely. Galileo was a genius. Frogwatch is...a frog. And even if Loogy
kisses him, he won't turn into a prince. I'd trust the team at Dartmouth
to develop the right stuff, and Froggy to develop...a boat any fool
could manufacture using only empty cardboard boxes, a red Swingline
stapler, and his "magic spray" that turns the cardboard into a substance
with all the strength and durability of toilet paper.

Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:49:41 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

Biggest problem with the Honda EU1000-2000's is they are air-cooled
noisy and relatively low hp, maybe 5 hp or so.

Um...huh?

I just bought a 2000i for my son's pontoon boat and I've tested it -
it's pretty damn quiet - about the level of an window mounted air
conditioner on high - less actually. And the "noise" is more like
white noise than generator noise.

We had to shut down the kitchen electrical power during the remodel
last week and I ran the 2000i on the deck to run the TV - I was
sitting within 8 feet of it and I could hear the kids next door, the
local dogs, cars going by on the street while I was reading some
technical material - didn't bother me any.

And what smell?

So...you didn't buy the eTec model, eh?

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:42:13 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:


Seriously, I have to wonder if it's something about the boats that
causes the problem rather than the generator itself. The 2000i is
rated at rougly 50dB which is normal conversation "noise" level. As
far as I'm concerned, it's quieter than that.

More likely being on water, with nothing to absorb the sound.
Many isolate the generator from the boat with padding.
Then there's the "perception" problem.
When I mow my lawn, the mower is singing a song.
But my neighbor's is making a highly irritating sound.
There are plenty of complaints about the Honda's.
Wayne would like to outlaw them at anchorages.
Some campgrounds *have* outlawed them, or restricted
the hours of operation, according to what I've read.
Never experienced it myself, though I've had my issues
with folks blasting their music at me.
Wayne and other cruisers know more about it.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:42:13 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

Seriously, I have to wonder if it's something about the boats that
causes the problem rather than the generator itself. The 2000i is
rated at rougly 50dB which is normal conversation "noise" level. As
far as I'm concerned, it's quieter than that.

More likely being on water, with nothing to absorb the sound.
Many isolate the generator from the boat with padding.
Then there's the "perception" problem.
When I mow my lawn, the mower is singing a song.
But my neighbor's is making a highly irritating sound.
There are plenty of complaints about the Honda's.
Wayne would like to outlaw them at anchorages.
Some campgrounds *have* outlawed them, or restricted
the hours of operation, according to what I've read.
Never experienced it myself, though I've had my issues
with folks blasting their music at me.
Wayne and other cruisers know more about it.

--Vic

I have one of those Hondas. It makes less noise than W'hine whining
about them. Some anchorages are very quiet at night, and others are
plagued with the sounds of loud and usually bad music, drunks, and
shrounds banging against masts. The latter is the sound I find most
annoying at night in a marina or anchorage.

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:45:07 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:02:57 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:


UNFORTUNATELY (fortunately from my employees perspective), I suddenly
came up with this idea for x-ray optics for mammography (now where'd
that come from). I knew for awhile it might be possible but never
looked into it enough. Now, I find there are roughly 10,000
mammography units in the USA each costing from $200,000 to $400,000.
If we could make these x-ray optics to be sold for $20,000 each, well,
$20,000 times 10,000 units is a big amount of money, enough to get
venture capital types interested. Kinda looks as if my idle time will
be soon filled.


I'm sure the women of america and their physicians will have a difficult
time deciding from one of your cheap rube goldberg substitutions for
standard mammography gear, and the non-mammographic research and devices
being developed at the reputable Dartmouth School of Medicine.

Probably similar to what Cardinal Bellarmine told Galileo.
Dartmouth being the Rome Church.

--Vic

A bite on an obvious troll.
--

John H

On Jul 14, 9:05*am, Just John Again wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:45:07 -0500, Vic Smith



wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:02:57 -0400, H the K
wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:

UNFORTUNATELY (fortunately from my employees perspective), I suddenly
came up with this idea for x-ray optics for mammography (now where'd
that come from). *I knew for awhile it might be possible but never
looked into it enough. *Now, I find there are roughly 10,000
mammography units in the USA each costing from $200,000 to $400,000.
If we could make these x-ray optics to be sold for $20,000 each, well,
$20,000 times 10,000 units is a big amount of money, enough to get
venture capital types interested. *Kinda looks as if my idle time will
be soon filled.

I'm sure the women of america and their physicians will have a difficult
time deciding from one of your cheap rube goldberg substitutions for
standard mammography gear, and the non-mammographic research and devices
being developed at the reputable Dartmouth School of Medicine.

Probably similar to what Cardinal Bellarmine told Galileo.
Dartmouth being the Rome Church.

--Vic

A bite on an obvious troll.
--

John H

Halyards against masts(not shrouds), a noise I quickly stop hearing
although it drives others crazy. Most of the time you can minimize it
simply by pulling the halyard tight. I always forget to do this.