On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:48:52 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I wonder how the Texans and other gulf cruisers handle the heat when
they cruise if they don't have A/C.

You can not cruise (or live in) the gulf states in the summer time
without A/C.

There are a couple of things that help.

Shade is life. A tarp over the boom can reduce cabin temps 20 degrees
or more.

A wash down pump can be used to spray water on the hull and decks to cool them.
That's necessary even when the AC is being used or the boat will never shake off
the noon day sun.

But the real way is you simply acclimate to the heat.
I don't normally complain at 100 degrees - until it's 100 for thirty
days in a row. Then, I figure we've earned bragging rights.

It takes a few weeks out in the heat, proper diet and hydration, and some guts.

People lived her for hundreds of years before Mr. Collins figured out his
apparatus for treating the air...




Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:48:52 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I wonder how the Texans and other gulf cruisers handle the heat when
they cruise if they don't have A/C.

That's a good question and I can partially answer it - A/C. My son
has been using the Grady which has A/C in the step down. From what
he's told me, it gets hot there even at night when the temps are in
the high 70s. No cross ventilation in the cuddy. I can speak to the
cuddy being a little uncomfortable when I took it down to Charleston a
couple of months ago.

http://www.gradywhite.com/336/ - click on the cabin tour.

And we've got a Honda EU3000i on the boat to run the A/C.

I'll give you a personal evaluation when I go down in August. :)

For a short trip sleeping on deck is a possibility, but I think when
you get to week you want to dive into a cool berth when nightime
temps stay high, below decks is hotter, and it's raining.
I'm willing to torture myself a bit - but I'm a man.

Not me. My physiological heat control circled the bowl in SEA and only
got worse when I lived down South for a few years in MS and LA. I hate
the cold and I hate the heat.

I'm only comfortable between the temperatures of 68 and 80 degrees
which means I probably should move to Hawaii. :)

Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:48:52 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I wonder how the Texans and other gulf cruisers handle the heat when
they cruise if they don't have A/C.

You can not cruise (or live in) the gulf states in the summer time
without A/C.



Whata wus.

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:17:15 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

People lived her for hundreds of years before Mr. Collins figured out his
apparatus for treating the air...

Well this is the 21st Century - or so I'm told. :)

Speaking of which, when I was in the service, we were on manuvers near
Gila Bend, AZ and I ran into a grizzled old Master Sergeant who
claimed that two cups of hot coffee and a table spoon (not a tea spoon
- a table spoon) of powdered cayenne pepper on his breakfast food kept
him cool all day.

The odd thing is, I never saw him sweat once. :)

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:06:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:48:52 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I wonder how the Texans and other gulf cruisers handle the heat when
they cruise if they don't have A/C.

You can not cruise (or live in) the gulf states in the summer time
without A/C.

I took that to heart the first time you told me.
And I intend to have it, if only on a limited scale for sleeping.
But despite that being a general rule, some acclimate better than
others.
After all, there were people living there before A/C.
My dad's family lived there for 4 years in the '20's.
Mostly Daytona and the Keys. Of course Daytona is on the Atlantic.
But my uncle and his wife lived for many years in a duplex on a canal
in Cape Coral. No A/C, just fans.
Not my cuppa, but some do it just fine.

--Vic

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:01:27 -0400, Wizard of Woodstock
wrote:

That Grady is more boat than I'll have, and I"ll have to tackle A/C
differently.

Not me. My physiological heat control circled the bowl in SEA and only
got worse when I lived down South for a few years in MS and LA. I hate
the cold and I hate the heat.

I'm only comfortable between the temperatures of 68 and 80 degrees
which means I probably should move to Hawaii. :)

That's how my wife is, and she bitches when it gets out of that range.
Funny thing is she's slim, and when I slim up heat hardly bothers me
at all.
I think a lot of it is psychological, maybe based on experience.
Not to say your thermostat can't get messed up.
I know I can control a lot of the "discomfort" by setting my state of
mind, and using a few tricks.
Maybe because I spent years in a 120 degree boiler room and then spent
some years almost as hot as a heat treater, then some years working
outside in record cold winters.
Gives your mind something to work with when the temps are a bit hot or
cold. Then your body catches up.
A cool drink or hot toddy does help. Those are tricks.
Still haven't found a good trick to stop her bitching though.

--Vic

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:17:15 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

There are a couple of things that help.

Shade is life. A tarp over the boom can reduce cabin temps 20 degrees
or more.

A wash down pump can be used to spray water on the hull and decks to cool them.
That's necessary even when the AC is being used or the boat will never shake off
the noon day sun.

Thanks. Hadn't seen that trick before. Or forgot.

But the real way is you simply acclimate to the heat.

That's what I've found. And it happens pretty quick for me.
Found out for sure when my car A/C broke down there once.
A new schedule avoiding the high sun got us right in 2 days.
Found we cranked the A/C in our suite up to 85 when we came in,
to keep from getting cold.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 23:17:15 -0500, cavelamb
wrote:

There are a couple of things that help.

Shade is life. A tarp over the boom can reduce cabin temps 20 degrees
or more.

A wash down pump can be used to spray water on the hull and decks to cool them.
That's necessary even when the AC is being used or the boat will never shake off
the noon day sun.

Thanks. Hadn't seen that trick before. Or forgot.


I live in California, no need for air conditioning, so I wasn't thinking
that way in the discussion on running a generator.

Since I don't have (and rarely need) an air conditioner at the house, I
occasionally hose down the plants in the side yard on the few hot nights
we have. It really cools the place down.


But the real way is you simply acclimate to the heat.

That's what I've found. And it happens pretty quick for me.
Found out for sure when my car A/C broke down there once.
A new schedule avoiding the high sun got us right in 2 days.
Found we cranked the A/C in our suite up to 85 when we came in,
to keep from getting cold.

--Vic

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Jim wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
For O/B sailboats.
A 50-80 Amp alternator on a 9-15 hp OB.

Sailors often carry a Honda EU1000-2000 to provide juice at anchor.
Though not real loud, they can be an irritation to nearby boats,
especially big boats using big watercooled internal gensets that don't
make much outside noise. Some of those owners think the Honda's
should be outlawed at anchorages.
What's with Honda's being the bad guy? Why mention Honda? These
generators are made by a variety of manufacturers.

I would say Honda generators aren't the problem, it's the construction
site type generators that are the problem. You know the ones.

I use an inverter, four golf cart batteries for the house bank, and
have a large alternator on the main engine. I'm good for 4 days on the
hook, no charging, and the ice cream is hard enough to bend a spoon. I
use electricity exactly the same at anchor that I use it at the dock.

Occasionally, with an hour or two of charging, I have a full tank of
hot water for showers, and topped off batteries.

A separate generator is not necessary as far as I can see. Not even
desirable.

Big, water cooled internal generators that run all day and night are
very annoying to me. Shut the damn thing off and shut off some lights.

Everyone who thinks they have to run their generator to make coffee is
the problem.
What do you do when it's 105 degrees at midnight?


Sweat.


Or mount the AC and run the generator - like everybody else would do - if
they were out here...



My second answer was, "Don't be there."

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"j" ganz @@
www.sailnow.com

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:06:29 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:48:52 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

I wonder how the Texans and other gulf cruisers handle the heat when
they cruise if they don't have A/C.

You can not cruise (or live in) the gulf states in the summer time
without A/C.

I took that to heart the first time you told me.
And I intend to have it, if only on a limited scale for sleeping.
But despite that being a general rule, some acclimate better than
others.
After all, there were people living there before A/C.
My dad's family lived there for 4 years in the '20's.
Mostly Daytona and the Keys. Of course Daytona is on the Atlantic.
But my uncle and his wife lived for many years in a duplex on a canal
in Cape Coral. No A/C, just fans.
Not my cuppa, but some do it just fine.

--Vic



I was in Yuma Arizona in the middle of the summer way back when for a week.
It topped out at 123 and was well over 110 the rest of the days. One day, we
decided to walk into town. My tennis shoes blistered. We were on the
Colorado most of the time, so we could always get out of the water if we ran
out of beer, worst case of course. :-)


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www.sailnow.com