"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"D K" wrote in message
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Was there a UL label on the box? There probably was and you really have
to wonder how they pulled that off. My only guess if that the sample
reviewed by the UL was made perfectly and after that...anything goes.

Yup, there is a UL label. Doesn't mean a thing because quality control is
a statistical thing.
It means the design is UL labeled, but doesn't mean the
manufacturing/assembly process meets the requirements.

Eisboch

UL is about give me money and you can stamp it UL.

Eisboch wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Went to Lowes and bought an 8' track lighting system to mount over my
"high end" guitar wall.

Installed the track, wired it up and put the first of four fixtures
in it. Worked fine.
Installed the second fixture. Worked fine.

Installed the third. Didn't work. Changed the bulb. Still didn't
work.
Fiddled with it for a while then decided it is probably bad and put
it aside.

Installed the forth fixture. Didn't work. Changed the bulb, still
didn't work.
Fiddled around, still didn't work.

Finally took it apart to figure out why.

It could never have worked. It was put together wrong and if I had
happened to get the contacts to connect, it would have shorted out
the supply voltage.

I took the other one that didn't work apart. Same thing.

Looked at the boxes they came in. Sure enough. Brand name is
"Portfolio" but "Made in China" is printed in small print on the box.

Moral: Don't buy any electrical appliances or potentially
dangerous/fire producing items that are made in China. I am not
kidding. This is not the first time I've run into this. Some of
the products being made in China are dangerous. There is obviously
no production or quality control in some of their manufacturing
facilities.

They should stick to noodles.

Eisboch

But you bought it because it was cheap. Think about that before
responding.


I am thinking about the hundreds of thousands of people who shop at
Lowe's or Home Depot installing these in their homes and wasting their
money at the least and risking a fire in the worst case.

Eisboch


I was and still am a believer in BIG labeling on products to indicate
country of origin. "Made in Communist China" would be a label I'd look
for, in order to avoid buying the product contained therein.

"HK" wrote in message
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Canuck57 wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Went to Lowes and bought an 8' track lighting system to mount over my
"high end" guitar wall.

Installed the track, wired it up and put the first of four fixtures in
it. Worked fine.
Installed the second fixture. Worked fine.

Installed the third. Didn't work. Changed the bulb. Still didn't
work.
Fiddled with it for a while then decided it is probably bad and put it
aside.

Installed the forth fixture. Didn't work. Changed the bulb, still
didn't work.
Fiddled around, still didn't work.

Finally took it apart to figure out why.

It could never have worked. It was put together wrong and if I had
happened to get the contacts to connect, it would have shorted out the
supply voltage.

I took the other one that didn't work apart. Same thing.

Looked at the boxes they came in. Sure enough. Brand name is
"Portfolio" but "Made in China" is printed in small print on the box.

Moral: Don't buy any electrical appliances or potentially
dangerous/fire producing items that are made in China. I am not
kidding. This is not the first time I've run into this. Some of the
products being made in China are dangerous. There is obviously no
production or quality control in some of their manufacturing facilities.

They should stick to noodles.

Eisboch

But you bought it because it was cheap. Think about that before
responding.

I doubt he bught it because it was cheap. My guess is that he bought it
because it was what was available at the box store. Next time, he might go
to an electrical supplier and "spec" stuff that is *not* made in the
commie country.

Good spec stuff also comes from China. Buyer beware as crap comes from the
US and Canada too. It isn't a national issue, but a world one.

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Went to Lowes and bought an 8' track lighting system to mount over my
"high end" guitar wall.

Installed the track, wired it up and put the first of four fixtures in
it. Worked fine.
Installed the second fixture. Worked fine.

Installed the third. Didn't work. Changed the bulb. Still didn't
work.
Fiddled with it for a while then decided it is probably bad and put it
aside.

Installed the forth fixture. Didn't work. Changed the bulb, still
didn't work.
Fiddled around, still didn't work.

Finally took it apart to figure out why.

It could never have worked. It was put together wrong and if I had
happened to get the contacts to connect, it would have shorted out the
supply voltage.

I took the other one that didn't work apart. Same thing.

Looked at the boxes they came in. Sure enough. Brand name is
"Portfolio" but "Made in China" is printed in small print on the box.

Moral: Don't buy any electrical appliances or potentially
dangerous/fire producing items that are made in China. I am not
kidding. This is not the first time I've run into this. Some of the
products being made in China are dangerous. There is obviously no
production or quality control in some of their manufacturing facilities.

They should stick to noodles.

Eisboch

But you bought it because it was cheap. Think about that before
responding.


I am thinking about the hundreds of thousands of people who shop at Lowe's
or Home Depot installing these in their homes and wasting their money at
the least and risking a fire in the worst case.

Eisboch

Call up UL, and ask to send them the defective one at their charge.

Canuck57 wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Canuck57 wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Went to Lowes and bought an 8' track lighting system to mount over my
"high end" guitar wall.

Installed the track, wired it up and put the first of four fixtures in
it. Worked fine.
Installed the second fixture. Worked fine.

Installed the third. Didn't work. Changed the bulb. Still didn't
work.
Fiddled with it for a while then decided it is probably bad and put it
aside.

Installed the forth fixture. Didn't work. Changed the bulb, still
didn't work.
Fiddled around, still didn't work.

Finally took it apart to figure out why.

It could never have worked. It was put together wrong and if I had
happened to get the contacts to connect, it would have shorted out the
supply voltage.

I took the other one that didn't work apart. Same thing.

Looked at the boxes they came in. Sure enough. Brand name is
"Portfolio" but "Made in China" is printed in small print on the box.

Moral: Don't buy any electrical appliances or potentially
dangerous/fire producing items that are made in China. I am not
kidding. This is not the first time I've run into this. Some of the
products being made in China are dangerous. There is obviously no
production or quality control in some of their manufacturing facilities.

They should stick to noodles.

Eisboch
But you bought it because it was cheap. Think about that before
responding.
I doubt he bught it because it was cheap. My guess is that he bought it
because it was what was available at the box store. Next time, he might go
to an electrical supplier and "spec" stuff that is *not* made in the
commie country.

Good spec stuff also comes from China. Buyer beware as crap comes from the
US and Canada too. It isn't a national issue, but a world one.




Whoosh...I'm talking about avoiding whenever possible *anything* made in
the P.R.C.

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Went to Lowes and bought an 8' track lighting system to mount over my
"high end" guitar wall.

Installed the track, wired it up and put the first of four fixtures in
it. Worked fine.
Installed the second fixture. Worked fine.

Installed the third. Didn't work. Changed the bulb. Still didn't
work.
Fiddled with it for a while then decided it is probably bad and put it
aside.

Installed the forth fixture. Didn't work. Changed the bulb, still
didn't work.
Fiddled around, still didn't work.

Finally took it apart to figure out why.

It could never have worked. It was put together wrong and if I had
happened to get the contacts to connect, it would have shorted out the
supply voltage.

I took the other one that didn't work apart. Same thing.

Looked at the boxes they came in. Sure enough. Brand name is
"Portfolio" but "Made in China" is printed in small print on the box.

Moral: Don't buy any electrical appliances or potentially
dangerous/fire producing items that are made in China. I am not
kidding. This is not the first time I've run into this. Some of the
products being made in China are dangerous. There is obviously no
production or quality control in some of their manufacturing
facilities.

They should stick to noodles.

Eisboch

But you bought it because it was cheap. Think about that before
responding.


I am thinking about the hundreds of thousands of people who shop at
Lowe's or Home Depot installing these in their homes and wasting their
money at the least and risking a fire in the worst case.

Eisboch

I was and still am a believer in BIG labeling on products to indicate
country of origin. "Made in Communist China" would be a label I'd look
for, in order to avoid buying the product contained therein.

Like most things, it starts off well and good. But given human nature's
propensity to *******ize it, it decays until replaced.

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Canuck57 wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
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Canuck57 wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
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Went to Lowes and bought an 8' track lighting system to mount over my
"high end" guitar wall.

Installed the track, wired it up and put the first of four fixtures in
it. Worked fine.
Installed the second fixture. Worked fine.

Installed the third. Didn't work. Changed the bulb. Still didn't
work.
Fiddled with it for a while then decided it is probably bad and put it
aside.

Installed the forth fixture. Didn't work. Changed the bulb, still
didn't work.
Fiddled around, still didn't work.

Finally took it apart to figure out why.

It could never have worked. It was put together wrong and if I had
happened to get the contacts to connect, it would have shorted out the
supply voltage.

I took the other one that didn't work apart. Same thing.

Looked at the boxes they came in. Sure enough. Brand name is
"Portfolio" but "Made in China" is printed in small print on the box.

Moral: Don't buy any electrical appliances or potentially
dangerous/fire producing items that are made in China. I am not
kidding. This is not the first time I've run into this. Some of
the products being made in China are dangerous. There is obviously no
production or quality control in some of their manufacturing
facilities.

They should stick to noodles.

Eisboch
But you bought it because it was cheap. Think about that before
responding.
I doubt he bught it because it was cheap. My guess is that he bought it
because it was what was available at the box store. Next time, he might
go to an electrical supplier and "spec" stuff that is *not* made in the
commie country.

Good spec stuff also comes from China. Buyer beware as crap comes from
the US and Canada too. It isn't a national issue, but a world one.

Whoosh...I'm talking about avoiding whenever possible *anything* made in
the P.R.C.

That would be awful hard to do these days.

Canuck57 wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Canuck57 wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
...
Canuck57 wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
Went to Lowes and bought an 8' track lighting system to mount over my
"high end" guitar wall.

Installed the track, wired it up and put the first of four fixtures in
it. Worked fine.
Installed the second fixture. Worked fine.

Installed the third. Didn't work. Changed the bulb. Still didn't
work.
Fiddled with it for a while then decided it is probably bad and put it
aside.

Installed the forth fixture. Didn't work. Changed the bulb, still
didn't work.
Fiddled around, still didn't work.

Finally took it apart to figure out why.

It could never have worked. It was put together wrong and if I had
happened to get the contacts to connect, it would have shorted out the
supply voltage.

I took the other one that didn't work apart. Same thing.

Looked at the boxes they came in. Sure enough. Brand name is
"Portfolio" but "Made in China" is printed in small print on the box.

Moral: Don't buy any electrical appliances or potentially
dangerous/fire producing items that are made in China. I am not
kidding. This is not the first time I've run into this. Some of
the products being made in China are dangerous. There is obviously no
production or quality control in some of their manufacturing
facilities.

They should stick to noodles.

Eisboch
But you bought it because it was cheap. Think about that before
responding.
I doubt he bught it because it was cheap. My guess is that he bought it
because it was what was available at the box store. Next time, he might
go to an electrical supplier and "spec" stuff that is *not* made in the
commie country.
Good spec stuff also comes from China. Buyer beware as crap comes from
the US and Canada too. It isn't a national issue, but a world one.
Whoosh...I'm talking about avoiding whenever possible *anything* made in
the P.R.C.

That would be awful hard to do these days.




But worth trying.