9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.

Frogwatch wrote:
9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.


Have you considered inventing a skyhook?

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.

Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.

jps wrote:
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.

Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.


Froggy presents the fervent hope of the GOP.

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.

Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.

Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.

--Vic

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.

Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.

Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.

--Vic

Here, the NYTimes itself published the problem way back when.

http://tinyurl.com/ce7hh3

or

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/bu...e-lending.html
--
John H

"A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul."
-- George Bernard Shaw

Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.

Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.

--Vic
He's not talking about taxing the well to do.
The Cap and Trade Bill is nothing but a massive taxation to establish
something akin to Britain or Socialist European States.
We see Bureaucracies established where socialist special interests
groups get their toe hold. They make laws without review by Congress
such as expanded EPA. They mange the herd to their designs. We saw part
of a grand design, in the collapse, of our Automotive Industry so that
the likes of Fiat would force their view of what a car Americans must
buy.imho but perhaps a bit too conspiratorial.
Everything you said has merit. Globalist Supplier Side or Merchant and
Banker economy and government. They manipulate the market rather than
respond to it. They are about taking the wealth where it was at:
America. It hasn't got a thing with equalizing any global playing field.
It was simply a rape of our economies by a handful of Elitists by
controlling banking and government.
No clearer indictment need be made than their own statement that our
economy is based on credit. That is nothing more than bondage to Global
Banking. Remember when they were calling for increased savings and then
the Supplier Side Economists and Corporatist started manipulating Laws
to encourage borrowing with inadequate production to repay it?

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.

Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.

Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.

--Vic

Completely agree. That Obama is being blamed for it while trying to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.

I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous and
labor rates the lowest.

Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.

jps wrote:
On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 19:34:31 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:59:31 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:07 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

9.5% unemployment, wow, Bozoma told us it wouldnt get that bad with
his stimulus and all. Dont feel so bad, now you can not only be
unemployed but $30,000 more in debt than you were under Bush. You
seen any stimulus, SUCKER.
The reality is that those who produce the new jobs are all on strike
for fear of being punished by Bozoma for having employees so thy are
laying em off as fast as they can. It's gonna be 15% by the end of
the year and 20% by this time next year. Is Bozoma gonna pay your
mortgage? Hey, if you act nice like a good house slave he might send
you a check for a couple of bucks, you know enough to buy a beer while
he shovels trillions into his buddies pockets.
Good Job Dems.
Gone 'round the bend, eh? I hope you enjoy eating all this bull****
when it doesn't come true.
Rising unemployment is inevitable. But it's the globalist Wall
Streeters to blame, not Obama. Clinton and Bush II are the major
culprits.
From what I see, the country has been supported by rising debt,
inflated real estate (more debt with 2nd, 3rd mortgages) and inflated
Wall Street equity prices for roughly 15 years.
That debt based on bubbles didn't stop real wages from going down,
but kept food on the table and enough toys to satisfy the populace.
Somewhat an offset for much of the pain felt by the wholesale
exportation of American manufacturing, IT and engineering during that
period. Service jobs did well enough in a false economy, as the false
cash - derived from debt and bubbles - was available.
Forget about your financial future, enjoy your toys and poorly paid
illegals serving you food, cleaning your house, and cutting your
grass. That was the attitude I saw.
That exportation of jobs started earlier, but accelerated greatly
during Clinton and Bush II.
The bubbles have burst, the debt is due, but the jobs have gone away.
What to do?
That's for Obama to figure out.
He'll have nowhere to hide from his responsibilities.
The only way out now is to tax the well-off to keep the hoi poloi
calm, or start incentivizing the production of consumer goods with
money and tariffs. Probably need a combination of both.
Wealth doesn't trickle down. It works it's way up through osmosis
from those producing the goods we use.
That's how I see it, having been on both the production end and the
service end throughout my life.
But I'm not an economist, just a guy next to the cracker barrel.
So what I say don't really matter except to me.

--Vic

Completely agree. That Obama is being blamed for it while trying to
do something about it is just plain dishonest.

I'm no fan of Clinton's global economy. Our society and the middle
class is being flushed down the toilet while the corporations take
advantage of whatever country's tax laws are the most advantageous and
labor rates the lowest.

Scummy business that's going to ruin this country.


Scummy business already has ruined this country.

On Jul 2, 8:59*pm, nada wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
Remember when they were calling for increased savings and then
the Supplier Side Economists and Corporatist started manipulating Laws
to encourage borrowing with inadequate production to repay it?

ACORN is now demonstrating and filing lawsuits against banks to force
them to once again make the loans that got the banks into trouble in
the first place.

I didn't realize that ACORN was considered "corporatists".