Obama was essentially silent while Iranian religious thugs were
killing people with axes but when the Supreme Court of Honduras
removes the pres there for violation of his constitutional duties, he
condemns it. I s'pose we have no worries about Honduras sending
jihadis to cause us problems.
All you have to do is read the Honduran constitution and you will see
that what was done was not only legal but that the president seriously
violated it.

On Jun 29, 5:00*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama was essentially silent while Iranian religious thugs were
killing people with axes but when the Supreme Court of Honduras
removes the pres there for violation of his constitutional duties, he
condemns it. *I s'pose we have no worries about Honduras sending
jihadis to cause us problems.
All you have to do is read the Honduran constitution and you will see
that what was done was not only legal but that the president seriously
violated it.

If Obama sends aid to re-instate the pres of Honduras, I will send
money to those defending democracy in Honduras.

On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:14:31 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 29, 5:00Â*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama was essentially silent while Iranian religious thugs were
killing people with axes but when the Supreme Court of Honduras
removes the pres there for violation of his constitutional duties, he
condemns it. Â*I s'pose we have no worries about Honduras sending
jihadis to cause us problems.
All you have to do is read the Honduran constitution and you will see
that what was done was not only legal but that the president seriously
violated it.

If Obama sends aid to re-instate the pres of Honduras, I will send
money to those defending democracy in Honduras.

Wait a minute. It's costly to fund counter-insurgency.
Will you have any money left over for the R&D of the new boat?
Let's not be too rash here.
Do you think Hondurian (or whatever they call it) politics is more
important than the new boat?
We need to give this some thought, and not go off half-cocked.

--Vic

On Jun 29, 5:29*pm, Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:14:31 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
On Jun 29, 5:00*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama was essentially silent while Iranian religious thugs were
killing people with axes but when the Supreme Court of Honduras
removes the pres there for violation of his constitutional duties, he
condemns it. *I s'pose we have no worries about Honduras sending
jihadis to cause us problems.
All you have to do is read the Honduran constitution and you will see
that what was done was not only legal but that the president seriously
violated it.

If Obama sends aid to re-instate the pres of Honduras, I will send
money to those defending democracy in Honduras.

Wait a minute. *It's costly to fund counter-insurgency.
Will you have any money left over for the R&D of the new boat?
Let's not be too rash here.
Do you think Hondurian (or whatever they call it) politics is more
important than the new boat?
We need to give this some thought, and not go off half-cocked.

--Vic

I am being hypothetical.

On Jun 29, 5:30*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 29, 5:29*pm, Vic Smith wrote:



On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:14:31 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
On Jun 29, 5:00*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama was essentially silent while Iranian religious thugs were
killing people with axes but when the Supreme Court of Honduras
removes the pres there for violation of his constitutional duties, he
condemns it. *I s'pose we have no worries about Honduras sending
jihadis to cause us problems.
All you have to do is read the Honduran constitution and you will see
that what was done was not only legal but that the president seriously
violated it.

If Obama sends aid to re-instate the pres of Honduras, I will send
money to those defending democracy in Honduras.

Wait a minute. *It's costly to fund counter-insurgency.
Will you have any money left over for the R&D of the new boat?
Let's not be too rash here.
Do you think Hondurian (or whatever they call it) politics is more
important than the new boat?
We need to give this some thought, and not go off half-cocked.

--Vic

I am being hypothetical.

So, If Obama sent aid to re-instate the Pres of Honduras and others of
us sent aid to defend democracy, would it be civil war by proxy?

On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:31:56 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

On Jun 29, 5:30Â*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
On Jun 29, 5:29Â*pm, Vic Smith wrote:



On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:14:31 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch

wrote:
On Jun 29, 5:00Â*pm, Frogwatch wrote:
Obama was essentially silent while Iranian religious thugs were
killing people with axes but when the Supreme Court of Honduras
removes the pres there for violation of his constitutional duties, he
condemns it. Â*I s'pose we have no worries about Honduras sending
jihadis to cause us problems.
All you have to do is read the Honduran constitution and you will see
that what was done was not only legal but that the president seriously
violated it.

If Obama sends aid to re-instate the pres of Honduras, I will send
money to those defending democracy in Honduras.

Wait a minute. Â*It's costly to fund counter-insurgency.
Will you have any money left over for the R&D of the new boat?
Let's not be too rash here.
Do you think Hondurian (or whatever they call it) politics is more
important than the new boat?
We need to give this some thought, and not go off half-cocked.

--Vic

I am being hypothetical.

So, If Obama sent aid to re-instate the Pres of Honduras and others of
us sent aid to defend democracy, would it be civil war by proxy?

Depends on what happens with the new boat.
Everything has to be seen in that context first.
Mere politics is just a side issue to what happens with the new boat.
First the boat.
I wonder if laminar flow has any application with hull and water
dynamics.
Have you looked into that?

--Vic

Frogwatch wrote:
Obama was essentially silent while Iranian religious thugs were
killing people with axes but when the Supreme Court of Honduras
removes the pres there for violation of his constitutional duties, he
condemns it. I s'pose we have no worries about Honduras sending
jihadis to cause us problems.
All you have to do is read the Honduran constitution and you will see
that what was done was not only legal but that the president seriously
violated it.


Obama was not silent, essentially or otherwise, during the Iranian
election fiasco. What he did not do was behave stupidly, as your heroes
Bush and Cheney would have done. Your repeating this right-wing, neocon
nonsense does not make it so.

On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:54:59 -0400, HK wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
Obama was essentially silent while Iranian religious thugs were
killing people with axes but when the Supreme Court of Honduras
removes the pres there for violation of his constitutional duties, he
condemns it. I s'pose we have no worries about Honduras sending
jihadis to cause us problems.
All you have to do is read the Honduran constitution and you will see
that what was done was not only legal but that the president seriously
violated it.


Obama was not silent, essentially or otherwise, during the Iranian
election fiasco. What he did not do was behave stupidly, as your heroes
Bush and Cheney would have done. Your repeating this right-wing, neocon
nonsense does not make it so.

Conservatives have a strong record of diplomacy over the past 8 years,
or should I say lack?

Why would you doubt their swashbuckling ways? Didn't it work out well
for them in the 2008 elections? Mavericky statesman and his comely
bespeckled flight attendant maverick in waiting.

jps wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:54:59 -0400, HK wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
Obama was essentially silent while Iranian religious thugs were
killing people with axes but when the Supreme Court of Honduras
removes the pres there for violation of his constitutional duties, he
condemns it. I s'pose we have no worries about Honduras sending
jihadis to cause us problems.
All you have to do is read the Honduran constitution and you will see
that what was done was not only legal but that the president seriously
violated it.

Obama was not silent, essentially or otherwise, during the Iranian
election fiasco. What he did not do was behave stupidly, as your heroes
Bush and Cheney would have done. Your repeating this right-wing, neocon
nonsense does not make it so.

Conservatives have a strong record of diplomacy over the past 8 years,
or should I say lack?

Why would you doubt their swashbuckling ways? Didn't it work out well
for them in the 2008 elections? Mavericky statesman and his comely
bespeckled flight attendant maverick in waiting.


Other than increasing funding to take on aids, I can't think of one
thing the Bush-Cheney Administration did properly. No wonder the
righties liked them so much.

On Jun 29, 9:40*pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:54:59 -0400, HK wrote:

Frogwatch wrote:
Obama was essentially silent while Iranian religious thugs were
killing people with axes but when the Supreme Court of Honduras
removes the pres there for violation of his constitutional duties, he
condemns it. *I s'pose we have no worries about Honduras sending
jihadis to cause us problems.
All you have to do is read the Honduran constitution and you will see
that what was done was not only legal but that the president seriously
violated it.

Obama was not silent, essentially or otherwise, during the Iranian
election fiasco. What he did not do was behave stupidly, as your heroes
Bush and Cheney would have done. Your repeating this right-wing, neocon
nonsense does not make it so.

Conservatives have a strong record of diplomacy over the past 8 years,
or should I say lack?

Why would you doubt their swashbuckling ways? *Didn't it work out well
for them in the 2008 elections? *Mavericky statesman and his comely
bespeckled flight attendant maverick in waiting.

Other than increasing funding to take on aids, I can't think of one
thing the Bush-Cheney Administration did properly. No wonder the
righties liked them so much.

OK Vic, you've shamed me out of posting more political stuff. I am
still ****ed about this though.
Frogwatch