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So Sad:Mercury Marine joins industries Dirty Dozen
..... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters early
failure is endemic to the pervasive decline in business management ethics and general skill. If these folks do not get on board with Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers and labor. My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of little use. I saw it. I could not believe the inferior construction of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. I heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt as people wise up to Mercury's inferior OEM network and then switch to Mallory. I hope that is fact. But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O starter is huge as many of you know. . Mercruiser has become elligible for inclusion in the most destructively managed U.S. corporations... the dirty dozen. I wonder if Bombardier will fix OMC and then try to straighten out Mercury Marine? If only Kiekhaefer could rise from the grave. Unbridled greed and no respect for their customers, dominates too many American businesses and institutions. Mercury Marine has joined that nefarious club.... and boaters have to suffer accordingly. |
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"TinyTim" wrote in message ... .... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters early failure is endemic to the pervasive decline in business management ethics and general skill. If these folks do not get on board with Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers and labor. My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of little use. I saw it. I could not believe the inferior construction of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. I heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt as people wise up to Mercury's inferior OEM network and then switch to Mallory. I hope that is fact. But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O starter is huge as many of you know. . Mercruiser has become elligible for inclusion in the most destructively managed U.S. corporations... the dirty dozen. I wonder if Bombardier will fix OMC and then try to straighten out Mercury Marine? If only Kiekhaefer could rise from the grave. Unbridled greed and no respect for their customers, dominates too many American businesses and institutions. Mercury Marine has joined that nefarious club.... and boaters have to suffer accordingly. I would not count on Bombardier for much, they are already on Canadian corporate welfare. Better make that a bakers dozen. I figure Yamaha or Suzuki for my outboard. |
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TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters early failure is endemic to the pervasive decline in business management ethics and general skill. If these folks do not get on board with Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers and labor. My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of little use. I saw it. I could not believe the inferior construction of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. I heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt as people wise up to Mercury's inferior OEM network and then switch to Mallory. I hope that is fact. But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O starter is huge as many of you know. . Mercruiser has become elligible for inclusion in the most destructively managed U.S. corporations... the dirty dozen. I wonder if Bombardier will fix OMC and then try to straighten out Mercury Marine? If only Kiekhaefer could rise from the grave. Unbridled greed and no respect for their customers, dominates too many American businesses and institutions. Mercury Marine has joined that nefarious club.... and boaters have to suffer accordingly. Those are the same high torque starters that come with the GM engines. Mercury marine doesn't make modifications to them as they are already ignition protected. |
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Canuck57 wrote:
"TinyTim" wrote in message ... .... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters early failure is endemic to the pervasive decline in business management ethics and general skill. If these folks do not get on board with Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers and labor. My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of little use. I saw it. I could not believe the inferior construction of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. I heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt as people wise up to Mercury's inferior OEM network and then switch to Mallory. I hope that is fact. But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O starter is huge as many of you know. . Mercruiser has become elligible for inclusion in the most destructively managed U.S. corporations... the dirty dozen. I wonder if Bombardier will fix OMC and then try to straighten out Mercury Marine? If only Kiekhaefer could rise from the grave. Unbridled greed and no respect for their customers, dominates too many American businesses and institutions. Mercury Marine has joined that nefarious club.... and boaters have to suffer accordingly. I would not count on Bombardier for much, they are already on Canadian corporate welfare. Better make that a bakers dozen. I figure Yamaha or Suzuki for my outboard. Wow...we agree on something. |
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On Jun 28, 10:24*am, TinyTim wrote:
.... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters *early failure *is endemic to the pervasive *decline in business management ethics and general skill. *If these folks do not get on board with Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers and labor. * My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of little use. *I saw it. *I could not believe the inferior construction of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. *I heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt *as people wise up to Mercury's inferior OEM network and *then switch to Mallory. I hope that is fact. *But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O starter is huge as many of you know. . Which year of starters are you refering to? usually the early (Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap to fix. then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much to brag about concerning power, and repairs were costly like the rest of the unit. Now the new series is little gear reduction which is a Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes. But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine. But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust starts happening. BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory doesn't make a starter. |
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So Sad:Mercury Marine joins industries Dirty Dozen
Tim wrote:
On Jun 28, 10:24 am, TinyTim wrote: .... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters early failure is endemic to the pervasive decline in business management ethics and general skill. If these folks do not get on board with Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers and labor. My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of little use. I saw it. I could not believe the inferior construction of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. I heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt as people wise up to Mercury's inferior OEM network and then switch to Mallory. I hope that is fact. But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O starter is huge as many of you know. . Which year of starters are you refering to? usually the early (Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap to fix. then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much to brag about concerning power, and repairs were costly like the rest of the unit. Now the new series is little gear reduction which is a Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes. But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine. But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust starts happening. BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory doesn't make a starter. Well, maybe, maybe no: http://www.iboats.com/Mallory_Starte...view_id.365879 Certainly is a dangerous position. A few weeks ago, a poster here claimed that Husqvarna "never made" the lawn/garden tractor model I own. He insisted. He was certain. He was...wrong. |
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On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: On Jun 28, 10:24*am, TinyTim wrote: .... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters *early failure *is endemic to the pervasive *decline in business management ethics and general skill. *If these folks do not get on board with Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers and labor. * My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of little use. *I saw it. *I could not believe the inferior construction of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. *I heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt *as people wise up to Mercury's inferior OEM network and *then switch to Mallory. I hope that is fact. *But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O starter is huge as many of you know. . Which year of starters are you refering to? usually the early (Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap to fix. then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much to brag about concerning power, and repairs were costly like the rest of the unit. Now the new series is little gear reduction which is a Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes. But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine. But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust starts happening. BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory doesn't make a starter. I hope he knows that you know a *lot* about starters and other electric motors. Maybe he'll consider this fair warning. I'd hate for him to feel too badly. -- John H "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -- Thomas Sowell |
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HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Jun 28, 10:24 am, TinyTim wrote: .... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters early failure is endemic to the pervasive decline in business management ethics and general skill. If these folks do not get on board with Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers and labor. My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of little use. I saw it. I could not believe the inferior construction of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. I heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt as people wise up to Mercury's inferior OEM network and then switch to Mallory. I hope that is fact. But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O starter is huge as many of you know. . Which year of starters are you refering to? usually the early (Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap to fix. then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much to brag about concerning power, and repairs were costly like the rest of the unit. Now the new series is little gear reduction which is a Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes. But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine. But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust starts happening. BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory doesn't make a starter. Well, maybe, maybe no: http://www.iboats.com/Mallory_Starte...view_id.365879 Certainly is a dangerous position. A few weeks ago, a poster here claimed that Husqvarna "never made" the lawn/garden tractor model I own. He insisted. He was certain. He was...wrong. "A dangerous position". How so? You are more fun than a barrel of monkeys. |
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On Jun 28, 11:45*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote: On Jun 28, 10:24 am, TinyTim wrote: .... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters *early failure *is endemic to the pervasive *decline in business management ethics and general skill. *If these folks do not get on board with Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers and labor. * My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of little use. *I saw it. *I could not believe the inferior construction of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. *I heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt *as people wise up to Mercury's inferior OEM network and *then switch to Mallory. I hope that is fact. *But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O starter is huge as many of you know. . Which year of starters are you refering to? usually the early *(Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap to fix. *then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much to brag about concerning power, *and repairs were costly like the rest of the unit. Now the new series is *little gear reduction which is a Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes. But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine. But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust starts happening. BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory doesn't make a starter. Well, maybe, maybe no: http://www.iboats.com/Mallory_Starte...dm/cart_id.066... Certainly is a dangerous position. A few weeks ago, a poster here claimed that Husqvarna "never made" the lawn/garden tractor model I own. * He insisted. He was certain. He was...wrong. Harry, that starter is made in china and sold though various suppliers, all it is , is marketed through Mallory. |
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On Jun 28, 12:01*pm, John H wrote:
On Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:35:02 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: On Jun 28, 10:24*am, TinyTim wrote: .... the high incidence of new model Mercruiser starters *early failure *is endemic to the pervasive *decline in business management ethics and general skill. *If these folks do not get on board with Edwards Deming precepts...every body loses.....country .....customers and labor. * My son in law had to remove his motor starter after 150 hours of little use. *I saw it. *I could not believe the inferior construction of the brush holders. Tin parts installed in a tin can design. *I heard rumors Mallory is running full tilt *as people wise up to Mercury's inferior OEM network and *then switch to Mallory. I hope that is fact. *But the cost of labor to remove and replace an I/O starter is huge as many of you know. . Which year of starters are you refering to? usually the early *(Delco 8 & 10 MT) marine units were heavy but cheap to fix. *then later on the gear reductions came out. The first models made in Korea were the same as on an 80's Chevy s-10 and weren't much to brag about concerning power, *and repairs were costly like the rest of the unit. Now the new series is *little gear reduction which is a Mitsubishi knock-off which is made in India for pity sakes. But the Delco PM/260 is the way to go. they work well on anything from a 3.0 up to a GM 503 CID. Both automotive and marine. But regardless, ALL starters are prone to humidity and a lot of people will let the bilge fill up to where the starter motor is baptized even for a moment, then the corrosion begins. But even if kept dry, just the humidity in the bilge will keep the starter damp and the rust starts happening. BTW, you say people are switching to Mallory? Mallory what? Mallory doesn't make a starter. I hope he knows that you know a *lot* about starters and other electric motors. Maybe he'll consider this fair warning. I'd hate for him to feel too badly. -- John H "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -- Thomas Sowell Well, after almost 30 years of working on them daily , I would hope to think I've learned something. But I'm always open for suggestions... ?;^ ) |
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