On Jun 23, 5:17*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 1:53 am, jps wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:00:13 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Jun 23, 12:13 am, jps wrote:
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 19:38:11 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:23 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:06 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:02 pm, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 22, 8:56 am, HK wrote:
wf3h wrote:
On Jun 22, 6:20 am, Jim24242 wrote:
That's good news for Harry Krause, isn't it. The fear and intimidation
you suffer at the prospect of being asked to consider a moral, ethical,
and religious life must have you shakin in your boots
except, of course, the s. baptists have never come close to living a
moral ethical and religious life. the church was founded as a
proslavery church in 1845 and has opposed freedom for anyone ever
since...in the name of god. it's also america's leading pro-
creationism church
IOW it's wrong about everything.
An absolutely backwards "bunch" of religious zealots, doing "the devil's
work" wherever it can. That floridajim believes they're moral and
ethical says even more about him than it does about the white southern
baptists.
What about the Black Southern Baptists, Harry? *There's lots of them.
Different organization.
nope.
Yup.
Nope.
and what do you think is the objective of a Southern Baptist
"Missionary" Hospital?
Proselytizing.
"Proselytizing.?"
Surely you can do better than that, Harry.
I'd say it never occurred to you that the Christian (Catholic and
Protestant) *Churches main mission is to do the will of Jesus.
*James 2:14 * Dear brothers, what's the use of saying that you have
faith and are Christians if you aren't proving it by helping others?
Will that kind of faith save anyone?
James 2:15 *If you have a friend who is in need of food and
clothing, * and you say to him, "Well, good-bye and God bless you;
stay warm and eat hearty," and then don't give him clothes or food,
what good does that do?
James 2:17 So you see, it isn't enough just to have faith. You must
also do good to prove that you have it. Faith that doesn't show itself
by good works is no faith at all--it is dead and useless.
James 2:20 Fool! When will you ever learn that "believing" is useless
without doing what God wants you to? Faith that does not result in
good deeds is not real faith.
Just a few of the references Harry. But I don't expect you to believe
any of it. It's not your nature.
WTF do any of the above quotes have to do with missionary work or
proselytizing on behalf of Christianity?
It's an endeavor that seeks to enrich the organization more than
spreading Jesus' teachings. *You're supposed to live and be guided by
his spirit, not try to sell his way.
Anyone who has a beef with unions trying to enrich their organizations
should have a major problem with missionaries.
Bunch of whoey.
My favorite is the missionaries who hunted aboriginals with the aim of
converting them just before putting them to death in order to send
them onto Jesus.
****ing insanity that continues today in a somewhat benign manner.
Of course you would think so.
I have good reason.

More have died in the name of Jesus than any other "cause."

Hmmm *yeah. If that's what you wish to believe, then I suppose you
need to stay locked in your house and not ever venture outside, and
keep a 9mm close by. you never know when some christian will come
knocking at your door.

That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.
I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
are *not* christians.

To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains.
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."

Well, screw that.

harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in
Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very
extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics
and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up
here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no
insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a
hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by
Christianity. I feel sorry for.


If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who
they do. Then who will? the government?

Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:

That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.
I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
are *not* christians.

To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains.
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."

Well, screw that.

harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in
Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very
extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics
and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up
here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no
insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a
hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by
Christianity. I feel sorry for.


If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who
they do. Then who will? the government?


Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners
handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries
(he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such
services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry.

Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
unsophisticated native populations.

I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them
jesus and in the process destroy their culture.

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:

That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.
I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
are *not* christians.

To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains.
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."

Well, screw that.

harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in
Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very
extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics
and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up
here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no
insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a
hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by
Christianity. I feel sorry for.


If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who
they do. Then who will? the government?


Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners
handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries
(he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such
services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry.

Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
unsophisticated native populations.

I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them jesus
and in the process destroy their culture.

It does give the impression of bribing or blackmailing. The poor people
need the health care and will sell their souls to the highest bidder for
that care.

On Jun 23, 7:03*am, "Don White" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

m...



Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:

That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour..
I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
are *not* christians.

To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains.
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."

Well, screw that.

harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law *who have done the same in
Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very
extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics
and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up
here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no
insecurity in their faith. Of course *they're not really living in a
hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by
Christianity. I feel sorry for.

If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who
they do. Then who will? the government?

Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners
handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries
(he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such
services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry.

Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
unsophisticated native populations.

I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them jesus
and in the process destroy their culture.

It does give the impression of bribing or blackmailing. * The poor people
need the health care and will sell their souls to the highest bidder for
that care.

Nobody is blackmailing nor bribing nor forcing anyone.

But that's alright if you wish to believe so, Don.

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:
That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:41:56 -0400, Jim24242
wrote:

Don White wrote:
"HK" wrote in message
m...
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:
That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.
I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
are *not* christians.

To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains.
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."

Well, screw that.
harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in
Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very
extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics
and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up
here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no
insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a
hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by
Christianity. I feel sorry for.


If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who
they do. Then who will? the government?

Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners
handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries
(he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such
services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry.

Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
unsophisticated native populations.

I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them jesus
and in the process destroy their culture.

It does give the impression of bribing or blackmailing. The poor people
need the health care and will sell their souls to the highest bidder for
that care.



Sometimes the promise of hope and change is enough to sway them.

Why does that sound so familiar?
--

John H

On Jun 23, 5:47*am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:
That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.
I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
are *not* christians.

To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains..
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."

Well, screw that.

harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law *who have done the same in
Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very
extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics
and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up
here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no
insecurity in their faith. Of course *they're not really living in a
hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by
Christianity. I feel sorry for.

If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who
they do. Then who will? the government?

Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners
handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries
(he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such
services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry.

Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
unsophisticated native populations.

I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them
jesus and in the process destroy their culture.


"Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
unsophisticated native populations."

Thats transparently obious. Harry.


" I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them
jesus and in the process destroy their culture."

Yeah, look at what they're culture has had to offer them.

Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:
That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.
I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
are *not* christians.
To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains..
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."
Well, screw that.
harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in
Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very
extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics
and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up
here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no
insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a
hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by
Christianity. I feel sorry for.
If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who
they do. Then who will? the government?
Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners
handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries
(he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such
services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry.

Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
unsophisticated native populations.

I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them
jesus and in the process destroy their culture.


"Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
unsophisticated native populations."

Thats transparently obious. Harry.


" I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them
jesus and in the process destroy their culture."

Yeah, look at what they're culture has had to offer them.


They have the option of not receiving the free dental work or medical
care. Everything comes with strings attached. There is no free lunch.

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:43:04 -0400, BAR wrote:

Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:
That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.
I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
are *not* christians.
To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains..
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."
Well, screw that.
harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law who have done the same in
Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very
extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics
and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up
here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no
insecurity in their faith. Of course they're not really living in a
hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by
Christianity. I feel sorry for.
If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who
they do. Then who will? the government?
Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners
handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries
(he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such
services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry.

Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
unsophisticated native populations.

I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them
jesus and in the process destroy their culture.


"Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
unsophisticated native populations."

Thats transparently obious. Harry.


" I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them
jesus and in the process destroy their culture."

Yeah, look at what they're culture has had to offer them.


They have the option of not receiving the free dental work or medical
care. Everything comes with strings attached. There is no free lunch.

Dental work for pay comes at a set price, and it doesn't require a
life of indentured servitude, shame or guilt.

Snake oil salesmen peddle the same crap. False hope.

On Jun 23, 3:38*pm, jps wrote:
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:43:04 -0400, BAR wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:47 am, HK wrote:
Tim wrote:
On Jun 23, 5:17 am, HK wrote:
That's not the point, tim. The fact remains that in many underdeveloped
countries, especially in central and south america, evangelical
christians use the "help" they offer impoverished native peoples as a
hook to "convert" them to the protestant form of christianity de jour.
I have a couple of relatives by marriage who support these efforts with
contributions and trips to these countries to "help," and I have
listened to their tales and seen their newsletters. Well, I used
to...they stopped telling me about these conversion efforts after I told
them many times I thought the practice was disgusting on many levels.
It's weird, too, because several times it was obvious that Roman
Catholics were being converted to protestantism...apparently the simpie
evangelicals, many of them, try to promote the idea that the Catholics
are *not* christians.
To me, evangelical christians seem very insecure in their relgious
beliefs. Those who remain unconverted seem a threat to the born-agains..
Reminds me of the Borg Collective from the old Star Trek shows.
"Assimilate...resistance is futile..."
Well, screw that.
harry, I have a brother and sister-in-law *who have done the same in
Panama for years. sister-in-law is a dentist/LPN who has worked very
extensively with Guaymi indians for years. My brother builds clinics
and church's (Oops". I meant to say "COMPOUNDS!") their kids come up
here and finish high school then go back. My family members have no
insecurity in their faith. Of course *they're not really living in a
hostile part of the world. Harry, for those who feel threatened by
Christianity. I feel sorry for.
If people like like my family members don't do anything to help who
they do. Then who will? the government?
Gee, tim...i dunno. My dentist is gone in july and august (his partners
handle emergencies) every year. He goes to underserved asian countries
(he's korean) to fix the teeth of kids who have no way to pay for such
services. He sure as hell isn't serving up religion with his dentistry.

Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
unsophisticated native populations.

I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them
jesus and in the process destroy their culture.

"Sorry, tim, but I am no fan of evangelizing, *especially* among
*unsophisticated native populations."

Thats transparently obious. Harry.

" I am sure the Ngäbe appreciate the dental work, and they'd probably
appreciate it more without the efforts of evangelicals to sell them
jesus and in the process destroy their culture."

Yeah, look at what they're culture has had to offer them.

They have the option of not receiving the free dental work or medical
care. Everything comes with strings attached. There is no free lunch.

Dental work for pay comes at a set price, and it doesn't require a
life of indentured servitude, shame or guilt.

Snake oil salesmen peddle the same crap. *False hope.

To you? probably so.