The old 1988 Dodge Ramcharger with some undetermined number of miles
on it gets roughly 12 mpg in town. It has not been running for a
couple of months but it has a new tag and is currently insured. Cash
for clunkers program says I can get $4500 for it. If the Obama wants
to throw money in the air, I wanna catch some cuz it'll make em go
bankrupt faster. Problem is, I do not want to buy a new car for my
son because of cost of insurance. So, is the program limited to
buying only a 2009 vehicle? There are a lot of $4500 vehicles out
there that run better than the Old Dodge.
Maybe I'll hold out for them to declare that my old Dodge to be worth
even more than $4500.
Even better, my neighbor needs a new truck but his old Jeep is worth
more than $4500. I could sell him the Dodge for $1 and he could sell
his Jeep for what it is worth and then use my Dodge as a trade for the
$4500 and then give me $2000 (more'n the Dodge is worth). I could
take the $2000 and buy a better truck than the Dodge for about $1500
and come out ahead $500.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

The old 1988 Dodge Ramcharger with some undetermined number of miles
on it gets roughly 12 mpg in town. It has not been running for a
couple of months but it has a new tag and is currently insured. Cash
for clunkers program says I can get $4500 for it. If the Obama wants
to throw money in the air, I wanna catch some cuz it'll make em go
bankrupt faster. Problem is, I do not want to buy a new car for my
son because of cost of insurance. So, is the program limited to
buying only a 2009 vehicle? There are a lot of $4500 vehicles out
there that run better than the Old Dodge.
Maybe I'll hold out for them to declare that my old Dodge to be worth
even more than $4500.
Even better, my neighbor needs a new truck but his old Jeep is worth
more than $4500. I could sell him the Dodge for $1 and he could sell
his Jeep for what it is worth and then use my Dodge as a trade for the
$4500 and then give me $2000 (more'n the Dodge is worth). I could
take the $2000 and buy a better truck than the Dodge for about $1500
and come out ahead $500.

I read elsewhere that it's full of gotchas.
You won't get anywhere near $4500.
Maybe $300 from the gov. But the dealer will add $500.
So you're going to lose $200 for trying to suck gov teat.

--Vic

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:34:25 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

The old 1988 Dodge Ramcharger with some undetermined number of miles
on it gets roughly 12 mpg in town. It has not been running for a
couple of months but it has a new tag and is currently insured. Cash
for clunkers program says I can get $4500 for it. If the Obama wants
to throw money in the air, I wanna catch some cuz it'll make em go
bankrupt faster.

There's a patriot for you...

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:58:41 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:34:25 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

The old 1988 Dodge Ramcharger with some undetermined number of miles
on it gets roughly 12 mpg in town. It has not been running for a
couple of months but it has a new tag and is currently insured. Cash
for clunkers program says I can get $4500 for it. If the Obama wants
to throw money in the air, I wanna catch some cuz it'll make em go
bankrupt faster.

There's a patriot for you...

Hard to believe that some want the United States of America bankrupt.
That would leave us almost defenseless against the terrorists.
Just small arms and maybe some artillery from the Nat Guard armories.
But Froggys's plan won't work anyway.
Gov can't go bankrupt until all the folks money is taxed away.
We ain't even close to that.
Wife just asked if I wanted a sandwich.
French bread, Krakus ham, cheddar cheese, tomato, lettuce, mayo, fresh
oregano from the garden.
Got plenty of food in the house, and a full tank of gas in the car.
Besides that, got a 1/2 tank of gas in the other car, and at least
1/2 tank of gas in the other car.
So I can make a food run when I need it.
Life is good. While it lasts.
I'm a glass half-full guy.

--Vic

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:29:38 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:58:41 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:34:25 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

The old 1988 Dodge Ramcharger with some undetermined number of miles
on it gets roughly 12 mpg in town. It has not been running for a
couple of months but it has a new tag and is currently insured. Cash
for clunkers program says I can get $4500 for it. If the Obama wants
to throw money in the air, I wanna catch some cuz it'll make em go
bankrupt faster.

There's a patriot for you...

Hard to believe that some want the United States of America bankrupt.
That would leave us almost defenseless against the terrorists.
Just small arms and maybe some artillery from the Nat Guard armories.
But Froggys's plan won't work anyway.
Gov can't go bankrupt until all the folks money is taxed away.
We ain't even close to that.
Wife just asked if I wanted a sandwich.
French bread, Krakus ham, cheddar cheese, tomato, lettuce, mayo, fresh
oregano from the garden.
Got plenty of food in the house, and a full tank of gas in the car.
Besides that, got a 1/2 tank of gas in the other car, and at least
1/2 tank of gas in the other car.
So I can make a food run when I need it.
Life is good. While it lasts.
I'm a glass half-full guy.

--Vic

Thanks for the thoughts.

I assume that Bush and Cheney wanted it bankrupt.

I've got nearly a full tank in my car and the wife does too. We buy
our gas at Costco now with their Amex card to give us a few pennies
off. Driving to bum**** this weekend for soccer tournament so that
gas will be gone.

I haven't had lunch yet and I'm starving. Trying not to buy fast food
so we can afford more important things. Last day of school for the
kids so we bought them a couple of presents for graduation.

Looking forward to Father's Day breakfast and hanging with my dad in
the evening.

Life is good. I hope I can continue to afford it.

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:58:41 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:34:25 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

The old 1988 Dodge Ramcharger with some undetermined number of miles
on it gets roughly 12 mpg in town. It has not been running for a
couple of months but it has a new tag and is currently insured. Cash
for clunkers program says I can get $4500 for it. If the Obama wants
to throw money in the air, I wanna catch some cuz it'll make em go
bankrupt faster.
There's a patriot for you...

Hard to believe that some want the United States of America bankrupt.
That would leave us almost defenseless against the terrorists.
Just small arms and maybe some artillery from the Nat Guard armories.
But Froggys's plan won't work anyway.
Gov can't go bankrupt until all the folks money is taxed away.
We ain't even close to that.
Wife just asked if I wanted a sandwich.
French bread, Krakus ham, cheddar cheese, tomato, lettuce, mayo, fresh
oregano from the garden.
Got plenty of food in the house, and a full tank of gas in the car.
Besides that, got a 1/2 tank of gas in the other car, and at least
1/2 tank of gas in the other car.
So I can make a food run when I need it.
Life is good. While it lasts.
I'm a glass half-full guy.

--Vic

The Obamanation administration will continue to print the money. You
don't think it's sitting in some account do you?

On Jun 19, 8:48*pm, D K wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:58:41 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:34:25 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

The old 1988 Dodge Ramcharger with some undetermined number of miles
on it gets roughly 12 mpg in town. *It has not been running for a
couple of months but it has a new tag and is currently insured. *Cash
for clunkers program says I can get $4500 for it. *If the Obama wants
to throw money in the air, I wanna catch some cuz it'll make em go
bankrupt faster. *
There's a patriot for you...

Hard to believe that some want the United States of America bankrupt.
That would leave us almost defenseless against the terrorists.
Just small arms and maybe some artillery from the Nat Guard armories.
But Froggys's plan won't work anyway.
Gov can't go bankrupt until all the folks money is taxed away.
We ain't even close to that.
Wife just asked if I wanted a sandwich.
French bread, Krakus ham, cheddar cheese, tomato, lettuce, mayo, fresh
oregano from the garden.
Got plenty of food in the house, and a full tank of gas in the car.
Besides that, got a 1/2 *tank of gas in the other car, and at least
1/2 tank of gas in the other car.
So I can make a food run when I need it.
Life is good. * While it lasts.
I'm a glass half-full guy. *

--Vic

The Obamanation administration will continue to print the money. *You
don't think it's sitting in some account do you?

I know it will not bankrupt them but I know they are doing this and I
figure that it is my money so I want it. It is like figuring ways to
pay less taxes. Right now I figger paying less tax is patriotic.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:48:37 -0400, D K
wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:58:41 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:34:25 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

The old 1988 Dodge Ramcharger with some undetermined number of miles
on it gets roughly 12 mpg in town. It has not been running for a
couple of months but it has a new tag and is currently insured. Cash
for clunkers program says I can get $4500 for it. If the Obama wants
to throw money in the air, I wanna catch some cuz it'll make em go
bankrupt faster.
There's a patriot for you...

Hard to believe that some want the United States of America bankrupt.
That would leave us almost defenseless against the terrorists.
Just small arms and maybe some artillery from the Nat Guard armories.
But Froggys's plan won't work anyway.
Gov can't go bankrupt until all the folks money is taxed away.
We ain't even close to that.
Wife just asked if I wanted a sandwich.
French bread, Krakus ham, cheddar cheese, tomato, lettuce, mayo, fresh
oregano from the garden.
Got plenty of food in the house, and a full tank of gas in the car.
Besides that, got a 1/2 tank of gas in the other car, and at least
1/2 tank of gas in the other car.
So I can make a food run when I need it.
Life is good. While it lasts.
I'm a glass half-full guy.

--Vic

The Obamanation administration will continue to print the money. You
don't think it's sitting in some account do you?

What are you, an accountant?
I was talking about a good sandwich and gas in the cars.
Not about accounting.
Maybe there's some accountants here that will talk about that.
Don, are you an accountant? Reggie, how about you?
Duck? Tim?

--Vic

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:26:45 -0700 (PDT), Frogwatch
wrote:

The old 1988 Dodge Ramcharger with some undetermined number of miles
on it gets roughly 12 mpg in town. It has not been running for a
couple of months but it has a new tag and is currently insured. Cash
for clunkers program says I can get $4500 for it. If the Obama wants
to throw money in the air, I wanna catch some cuz it'll make em go
bankrupt faster. Problem is, I do not want to buy a new car for my
son because of cost of insurance. So, is the program limited to
buying only a 2009 vehicle? There are a lot of $4500 vehicles out
there that run better than the Old Dodge.
Maybe I'll hold out for them to declare that my old Dodge to be worth
even more than $4500.
Even better, my neighbor needs a new truck but his old Jeep is worth
more than $4500. I could sell him the Dodge for $1 and he could sell
his Jeep for what it is worth and then use my Dodge as a trade for the
$4500 and then give me $2000 (more'n the Dodge is worth). I could
take the $2000 and buy a better truck than the Dodge for about $1500
and come out ahead $500.

So, you want to see this program go bankrupt? Or the Gov't under Obama?

"If the Obama wants to throw money in the air, I wanna catch some cuz it'll
make em go bankrupt faster".

So, you want to see this program go bankrupt? Or the Gov't under Obama?


It is clear this is budgeted as part of the auto bailout so it really
doesn't matter how you cash it in as long as a clunker is off the road
and you buy a new car. The real question is whether this will be a
"buy American" bill by the time it finally gets out of the House.
It doesn't help Detroit much if everyone buys an import.

If this does survive in it's present form I think old "Brownie" (1985
F150) may go down the road.
A new F150 would qualify for the $4500 (greater than a 5MPG delta).
That is about $3500 more than I could get for it in any reasonable
deal.

I agree 100% with what you're saying about "buy American". Since it's DC
(both parties) that have let the rest of the world slide when it comes to
fair trade what're the odds that they'll do what's right for America this
time?
And it sounds like the program is there for whoever wants to partake.
My post was a jab at the Rush Limbaugh like stupidity that a government led
by Obama falling in the crapper would be good for anyone. Wanting to see the
nation fall further in the hole because the dems are in charge this time is
not only a spiteful and childish tamtrum but also, in my eyes, very much
illustrates the extreme ends of both parties. To want to see the nation fail
because the guy dosen't like the leader? Insane.