jps wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:22:13 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:53:11 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:12:49 -0400, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

live training to catch a pirate and sink them. Cheap
target
practice.

Why did Obama take so long to get involved? Used to be
law
and
order
meant more than whether or not the hostage was white and
the
pirates
were
black Muslim.

But
You ought to see the wizard for a brain.

If you got yours from that wizard, you ought to sue for a refund.
Calif Bill is off in the weeds. He must be listening to O'Reilly,
Beck or Rush or someone who's leading him by his nose. He's
certainly not using whatever brain he was given.

Independent my ass. He's just afraid to admit he's given up on life
and has self-idetified as a Republican. Life is isolated when you're
sequestered in a cul-de-sac community in the Sacramento area.

Not sequestered and about 100 miles from Sacramento. Lets see: 2
statements
out of 2 wrong. Normal for you.
You're sequesterd in a cul-de-sac community of tacky houses that all
look the same.

100 miles from Sacramento makes you all the more liable to be swimmin'
in hicksville.

Do they even have Democrats out there? Doubt it.
Just because you live in a ticky tacky, does not mean all the rest of us do.

http://www.movoto.com/neighborhood/c...nton/94566.htm

Our house was built in 1924 of good materials.

You live in a sub-division with hollow core doors.

WTF does that have to do with the value of a house, idiot?

On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:22:40 -0400, D K
wrote:

jps wrote:


Our house was built in 1924 of good materials.

You live in a sub-division with hollow core doors.

WTF does that have to do with the value of a house, idiot?

Most home value is in the location and lot size.
Wife's aunt's house was an old frame 2-flat in poor shape
near Montrose on Lawndale. Old Irving.
Think she got $360k for it, and would have been $380k
if the lot was empty, because the developer tore it down.
Excellent timing was part of that price. Height of the boom.
My old place was all oak floors and woodwork, built in the
'20's.
You know, North side brick 2-flat. Very nice face brick.
Well built, but horse-hair plaster over lath or wire screen, no wall
insulation.
Classic, but not very energy-efficient. But I liked it.
Solid oak doors.
Though the oak woodwork was beautiful, the old varnish was
darkening so I stripped the living and dining rooms on the first floor
to refinish it.
Oak is heavy, dense wood, and that was part of its beauty to me.
When I pulled it off, it was light as balsa, and brittle as hell.
Must have dried up like an old woman after 70 years.
Still had great grain though, so I refinished it and slapped it back
up.
But I sure didn't think of it as dense and heavy any more.
New pine would do that, and I actually considered it, but pine
can never look like oak, even old oak.
Anyway, that experience actually changed how I view things like that.
My current home was built in '59, and has hollow core interior doors.
I like them, because they're light, and have beautiful maple veneer.
As long as you're not the type to get drunk and kick doors, they're
fine. Don't insulate noise as well, but that's not a problem for us.
Drywall is fine too. I don't miss lath and plaster at all.
Again, I got over punching walls a long time ago.
They still didn't build in wall insulation though.
Drywall on exterior walls is on 1/2" firring strips to the brick.
Still don't get big heating gas bills, as I had all new thermal
windows put in a few years ago.
I'd stud and insulate the walls if it wasn't for the all the window
framing I'd have to do. I just don't think it would look right.

--Vic

"HK" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:53:11 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:12:49 -0400, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

live training to catch a pirate and sink them. Cheap
target
practice.

Why did Obama take so long to get involved? Used to be
law
and
order
meant more than whether or not the hostage was white and
the
pirates
were
black Muslim.

But
You ought to see the wizard for a brain.

If you got yours from that wizard, you ought to sue for a refund.
Calif Bill is off in the weeds. He must be listening to O'Reilly,
Beck or Rush or someone who's leading him by his nose. He's
certainly not using whatever brain he was given.

Independent my ass. He's just afraid to admit he's given up on life
and has self-idetified as a Republican. Life is isolated when you're
sequestered in a cul-de-sac community in the Sacramento area.

Not sequestered and about 100 miles from Sacramento. Lets see: 2
statements
out of 2 wrong. Normal for you.
You're sequesterd in a cul-de-sac community of tacky houses that all
look the same.

100 miles from Sacramento makes you all the more liable to be swimmin'
in hicksville.

Do they even have Democrats out there? Doubt it.

Just because you live in a ticky tacky, does not mean all the rest of us
do.

http://www.movoto.com/neighborhood/c...nton/94566.htm



So, when the Big One hits...you'll have oceanfront property?





Nope. San Francisco will actually be more inland. Couple million years Los
Angeles will be next to SF. Pt. Reyes has moved 330 miles north over the
years. And since we only get a really big one every 100 years or so. We
are much less likely to have damage than the East coast with hurricanes and
high humitity to rot evey thing that was not crushed and frozen by the
winter snows.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:27:03 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:53:11 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
m...
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:12:49 -0400, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

live training to catch a pirate and sink them. Cheap
target
practice.

Why did Obama take so long to get involved? Used to be
law
and
order
meant more than whether or not the hostage was white and
the
pirates
were
black Muslim.

But
You ought to see the wizard for a brain.


If you got yours from that wizard, you ought to sue for a refund.

Calif Bill is off in the weeds. He must be listening to O'Reilly,
Beck or Rush or someone who's leading him by his nose. He's
certainly not using whatever brain he was given.

Independent my ass. He's just afraid to admit he's given up on life
and has self-idetified as a Republican. Life is isolated when you're
sequestered in a cul-de-sac community in the Sacramento area.


Not sequestered and about 100 miles from Sacramento. Lets see: 2
statements
out of 2 wrong. Normal for you.

You're sequesterd in a cul-de-sac community of tacky houses that all
look the same.

100 miles from Sacramento makes you all the more liable to be swimmin'
in hicksville.

Do they even have Democrats out there? Doubt it.

One of our little box houses.
rebecca of sunnybrook farm 1917 images
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...a%3DN%26um%3D1


Yes, they build 'em just like that for all the drones working at
Microsoft. The burbs look just like your little cul-de-sac
subdivision where everyone's either white or imported from India to
satisfy the tech industry.

Homes that look just like the Truman Show.

Several of my neighbors fit neither those categories. Former fishing
partner lives across the street. He lost a leg to diabetes, so does not go
on the boat anymore. Black. Guy next door to him, Mexico born. Black
family rents down the street. How many minorities in you neighborhood.

"D K" wrote in message
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jps wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:22:13 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
news On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:53:11 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:12:49 -0400, HK
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

live training to catch a pirate and sink them. Cheap
target
practice.

Why did Obama take so long to get involved? Used to be
law
and
order
meant more than whether or not the hostage was white
and the
pirates
were
black Muslim.

But
You ought to see the wizard for a brain.

If you got yours from that wizard, you ought to sue for a refund.
Calif Bill is off in the weeds. He must be listening to O'Reilly,
Beck or Rush or someone who's leading him by his nose. He's
certainly not using whatever brain he was given.

Independent my ass. He's just afraid to admit he's given up on life
and has self-idetified as a Republican. Life is isolated when you're
sequestered in a cul-de-sac community in the Sacramento area.

Not sequestered and about 100 miles from Sacramento. Lets see: 2
statements
out of 2 wrong. Normal for you.
You're sequesterd in a cul-de-sac community of tacky houses that all
look the same.

100 miles from Sacramento makes you all the more liable to be swimmin'
in hicksville.

Do they even have Democrats out there? Doubt it.
Just because you live in a ticky tacky, does not mean all the rest of us
do.

http://www.movoto.com/neighborhood/c...nton/94566.htm

Our house was built in 1924 of good materials.

You live in a sub-division with hollow core doors.

WTF does that have to do with the value of a house, idiot?

My dad had a house built in 1921. Was worth little when it burned to the
ground. My mom's house is a 1908 Georgian. Needs about $1,000,000 to
upgrade to a modern house with new kitchen, re-stucco, termite repairs, and
upgrade of all plumbing and electric from tube and post. It will sell in
the $1,000,000 range. Location, location, location. So just because it is
a 1924 built house does not mean it is a great house. Construction and
materials have improved since then. My mom's house was the Dow family home
in 1908, so solid mahogany paneling, etc. Your 1924 house may be a POS, or
it may be nice. My 1972 house is very nice.

On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:57:18 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"D K" wrote in message
m...
jps wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:22:13 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
news On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:53:11 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:12:49 -0400, HK
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

live training to catch a pirate and sink them. Cheap
target
practice.

Why did Obama take so long to get involved? Used to be
law
and
order
meant more than whether or not the hostage was white
and the
pirates
were
black Muslim.

But
You ought to see the wizard for a brain.

If you got yours from that wizard, you ought to sue for a refund.
Calif Bill is off in the weeds. He must be listening to O'Reilly,
Beck or Rush or someone who's leading him by his nose. He's
certainly not using whatever brain he was given.

Independent my ass. He's just afraid to admit he's given up on life
and has self-idetified as a Republican. Life is isolated when you're
sequestered in a cul-de-sac community in the Sacramento area.

Not sequestered and about 100 miles from Sacramento. Lets see: 2
statements
out of 2 wrong. Normal for you.
You're sequesterd in a cul-de-sac community of tacky houses that all
look the same.

100 miles from Sacramento makes you all the more liable to be swimmin'
in hicksville.

Do they even have Democrats out there? Doubt it.
Just because you live in a ticky tacky, does not mean all the rest of us
do.

http://www.movoto.com/neighborhood/c...nton/94566.htm

Our house was built in 1924 of good materials.

You live in a sub-division with hollow core doors.

WTF does that have to do with the value of a house, idiot?

My dad had a house built in 1921. Was worth little when it burned to the
ground. My mom's house is a 1908 Georgian. Needs about $1,000,000 to
upgrade to a modern house with new kitchen, re-stucco, termite repairs, and
upgrade of all plumbing and electric from tube and post. It will sell in
the $1,000,000 range. Location, location, location. So just because it is
a 1924 built house does not mean it is a great house. Construction and
materials have improved since then. My mom's house was the Dow family home
in 1908, so solid mahogany paneling, etc. Your 1924 house may be a POS, or
it may be nice. My 1972 house is very nice.

I can imagine.

They were putting up some real beauties in the early seventies.

On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:51:27 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:27:03 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
news On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:53:11 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
om...
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:12:49 -0400, HK wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

live training to catch a pirate and sink them. Cheap
target
practice.

Why did Obama take so long to get involved? Used to be
law
and
order
meant more than whether or not the hostage was white and
the
pirates
were
black Muslim.

But
You ought to see the wizard for a brain.


If you got yours from that wizard, you ought to sue for a refund.

Calif Bill is off in the weeds. He must be listening to O'Reilly,
Beck or Rush or someone who's leading him by his nose. He's
certainly not using whatever brain he was given.

Independent my ass. He's just afraid to admit he's given up on life
and has self-idetified as a Republican. Life is isolated when you're
sequestered in a cul-de-sac community in the Sacramento area.


Not sequestered and about 100 miles from Sacramento. Lets see: 2
statements
out of 2 wrong. Normal for you.

You're sequesterd in a cul-de-sac community of tacky houses that all
look the same.

100 miles from Sacramento makes you all the more liable to be swimmin'
in hicksville.

Do they even have Democrats out there? Doubt it.

One of our little box houses.
rebecca of sunnybrook farm 1917 images
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...a%3DN%26um%3D1


Yes, they build 'em just like that for all the drones working at
Microsoft. The burbs look just like your little cul-de-sac
subdivision where everyone's either white or imported from India to
satisfy the tech industry.

Homes that look just like the Truman Show.

Several of my neighbors fit neither those categories. Former fishing
partner lives across the street. He lost a leg to diabetes, so does not go
on the boat anymore. Black. Guy next door to him, Mexico born. Black
family rents down the street. How many minorities in you neighborhood.

Plenty, even a few Republicans. My kids are growing up surrounded by
kids of all shades. They'll be prepared for life in the modern world.

On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:45:13 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:22:40 -0400, D K
wrote:

jps wrote:


Our house was built in 1924 of good materials.

You live in a sub-division with hollow core doors.

WTF does that have to do with the value of a house, idiot?

Most home value is in the location and lot size.
Wife's aunt's house was an old frame 2-flat in poor shape
near Montrose on Lawndale. Old Irving.
Think she got $360k for it, and would have been $380k
if the lot was empty, because the developer tore it down.
Excellent timing was part of that price. Height of the boom.
My old place was all oak floors and woodwork, built in the
'20's.
You know, North side brick 2-flat. Very nice face brick.
Well built, but horse-hair plaster over lath or wire screen, no wall
insulation.
Classic, but not very energy-efficient. But I liked it.
Solid oak doors.
Though the oak woodwork was beautiful, the old varnish was
darkening so I stripped the living and dining rooms on the first floor
to refinish it.
Oak is heavy, dense wood, and that was part of its beauty to me.
When I pulled it off, it was light as balsa, and brittle as hell.
Must have dried up like an old woman after 70 years.
Still had great grain though, so I refinished it and slapped it back
up.
But I sure didn't think of it as dense and heavy any more.
New pine would do that, and I actually considered it, but pine
can never look like oak, even old oak.
Anyway, that experience actually changed how I view things like that.
My current home was built in '59, and has hollow core interior doors.
I like them, because they're light, and have beautiful maple veneer.
As long as you're not the type to get drunk and kick doors, they're
fine. Don't insulate noise as well, but that's not a problem for us.
Drywall is fine too. I don't miss lath and plaster at all.
Again, I got over punching walls a long time ago.
They still didn't build in wall insulation though.
Drywall on exterior walls is on 1/2" firring strips to the brick.
Still don't get big heating gas bills, as I had all new thermal
windows put in a few years ago.
I'd stud and insulate the walls if it wasn't for the all the window
framing I'd have to do. I just don't think it would look right.

--Vic

Lot size in our city can certainly play a role but most lot sizes are
similar. What makes houses valuable here is proximity to the city and
the charm of the house and neighborhood. We're in an old part of the
city quite close to downtown so anyone moving to the city with a job
downtown is attracted to the area. Literally five minutes to anywhere
downtown with access to all services within minutes. My commute to
our office on the ship canal is about 8 minutes.

Tear downs are extremely rare. There's no such thing as a hollow core
door unless someone has done an uncle joe update. Most folks around
here invest in kitchens, bathrooms and master bedrooms. They make the
$ back when they sell. They were built for big families in the 20's
and for most of the past 80 years, heavily Catholic.

Folks who work for Redmond mostly live on the other side of the lake
where housing resembles outlying areas of Northern California.
Developments with similarly designed houses, built with economical
materials and put up in weeks.

That's what makes me think of the Malvina Reynolds song about "little
boxes." Typical for the mobile tech community.

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"jps" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:27:03 -0700, "Calif Bill"
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"jps" wrote in message
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On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:12:49 -0400, HK
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

live training to catch a pirate and sink them. Cheap
target
practice.

Why did Obama take so long to get involved? Used to
be
law
and
order
meant more than whether or not the hostage was white
and
the
pirates
were
black Muslim.

But
You ought to see the wizard for a brain.


If you got yours from that wizard, you ought to sue for a refund.

Calif Bill is off in the weeds. He must be listening to O'Reilly,
Beck or Rush or someone who's leading him by his nose. He's
certainly not using whatever brain he was given.

Independent my ass. He's just afraid to admit he's given up on life
and has self-idetified as a Republican. Life is isolated when
you're
sequestered in a cul-de-sac community in the Sacramento area.


Not sequestered and about 100 miles from Sacramento. Lets see: 2
statements
out of 2 wrong. Normal for you.

You're sequesterd in a cul-de-sac community of tacky houses that all
look the same.

100 miles from Sacramento makes you all the more liable to be swimmin'
in hicksville.

Do they even have Democrats out there? Doubt it.

One of our little box houses.
rebecca of sunnybrook farm 1917 images
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...a%3DN%26um%3D1


Yes, they build 'em just like that for all the drones working at
Microsoft. The burbs look just like your little cul-de-sac
subdivision where everyone's either white or imported from India to
satisfy the tech industry.

Homes that look just like the Truman Show.

Several of my neighbors fit neither those categories. Former fishing
partner lives across the street. He lost a leg to diabetes, so does not
go
on the boat anymore. Black. Guy next door to him, Mexico born. Black
family rents down the street. How many minorities in you neighborhood.

Plenty, even a few Republicans. My kids are growing up surrounded by
kids of all shades. They'll be prepared for life in the modern world.

So the kids live with mom in a different neighborhood. Or you are in the
getto.

"jps" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:57:18 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"D K" wrote in message
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jps wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:22:13 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
news On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:53:11 -0700, "Calif Bill"
wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 21:12:49 -0400, HK
wrote:

Calif Bill wrote:

live training to catch a pirate and sink them. Cheap
target
practice.

Why did Obama take so long to get involved? Used to
be
law
and
order
meant more than whether or not the hostage was white
and the
pirates
were
black Muslim.

But
You ought to see the wizard for a brain.

If you got yours from that wizard, you ought to sue for a refund.
Calif Bill is off in the weeds. He must be listening to O'Reilly,
Beck or Rush or someone who's leading him by his nose. He's
certainly not using whatever brain he was given.

Independent my ass. He's just afraid to admit he's given up on
life
and has self-idetified as a Republican. Life is isolated when
you're
sequestered in a cul-de-sac community in the Sacramento area.

Not sequestered and about 100 miles from Sacramento. Lets see: 2
statements
out of 2 wrong. Normal for you.
You're sequesterd in a cul-de-sac community of tacky houses that all
look the same.

100 miles from Sacramento makes you all the more liable to be
swimmin'
in hicksville.

Do they even have Democrats out there? Doubt it.
Just because you live in a ticky tacky, does not mean all the rest of
us
do.

http://www.movoto.com/neighborhood/c...nton/94566.htm

Our house was built in 1924 of good materials.

You live in a sub-division with hollow core doors.

WTF does that have to do with the value of a house, idiot?

My dad had a house built in 1921. Was worth little when it burned to the
ground. My mom's house is a 1908 Georgian. Needs about $1,000,000 to
upgrade to a modern house with new kitchen, re-stucco, termite repairs,
and
upgrade of all plumbing and electric from tube and post. It will sell in
the $1,000,000 range. Location, location, location. So just because it
is
a 1924 built house does not mean it is a great house. Construction and
materials have improved since then. My mom's house was the Dow family
home
in 1908, so solid mahogany paneling, etc. Your 1924 house may be a POS,
or
it may be nice. My 1972 house is very nice.

I can imagine.

They were putting up some real beauties in the early seventies.

Yes. Thank you. It is very nice.