On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:56:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Goodbye, GM
by Michael Moore


(snip)

Michael Moore doesn't know how to make GM right.
And neither does GM.
I just saw its CFO in an interview.
He was asked about American jobs.
He bragged that 66% of GM vehicles bought by Americans are made by
Americans.
Then he was asked to allay worries that GM cars will be made in China.
He bragged that 99% of GM cars bought by Chinese are made in China.
He didn't bat an eye. Saw nothing odd about what he had said.
Neither than the interviewer.
American management. American in-depth press.
Of course the DJIA is up 250 points on news of the GM bankruptcy.
Anybody with sense knows that if the southern hemisphere was wiped
out by a meteor, the Dow would surge on news that the northern
hemisphere didn't get hit.
American business is corrupt.
The only hope for GM is to pirate Honda and Toyota management
to run it.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:56:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Goodbye, GM
by Michael Moore


(snip)

Michael Moore doesn't know how to make GM right.
And neither does GM.
I just saw its CFO in an interview.
He was asked about American jobs.
He bragged that 66% of GM vehicles bought by Americans are made by
Americans.
Then he was asked to allay worries that GM cars will be made in China.
He bragged that 99% of GM cars bought by Chinese are made in China.
He didn't bat an eye. Saw nothing odd about what he had said.
Neither than the interviewer.
American management. American in-depth press.
Of course the DJIA is up 250 points on news of the GM bankruptcy.
Anybody with sense knows that if the southern hemisphere was wiped
out by a meteor, the Dow would surge on news that the northern
hemisphere didn't get hit.
American business is corrupt.
The only hope for GM is to pirate Honda and Toyota management
to run it.

--Vic




It took me years to realize that Wall Street and everything connected to
it was a fraud.

HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:56:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Goodbye, GM
by Michael Moore


(snip)

Michael Moore doesn't know how to make GM right.
And neither does GM.
I just saw its CFO in an interview.
He was asked about American jobs.
He bragged that 66% of GM vehicles bought by Americans are made by
Americans.
Then he was asked to allay worries that GM cars will be made in China.
He bragged that 99% of GM cars bought by Chinese are made in China.
He didn't bat an eye. Saw nothing odd about what he had said.
Neither than the interviewer.
American management. American in-depth press.
Of course the DJIA is up 250 points on news of the GM bankruptcy.
Anybody with sense knows that if the southern hemisphere was wiped
out by a meteor, the Dow would surge on news that the northern
hemisphere didn't get hit.
American business is corrupt.
The only hope for GM is to pirate Honda and Toyota management
to run it.

--Vic




It took me years to realize that Wall Street and everything connected to
it was a fraud.

It didn't take nearly that long for me to realize that Harry Krause, of
jingle writing fame, is a fraud.

On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:09:26 -0400, jim78 wrote:

HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:56:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Goodbye, GM
by Michael Moore


(snip)

Michael Moore doesn't know how to make GM right.
And neither does GM.
I just saw its CFO in an interview.
He was asked about American jobs.
He bragged that 66% of GM vehicles bought by Americans are made by
Americans.
Then he was asked to allay worries that GM cars will be made in China.
He bragged that 99% of GM cars bought by Chinese are made in China.
He didn't bat an eye. Saw nothing odd about what he had said.
Neither than the interviewer.
American management. American in-depth press.
Of course the DJIA is up 250 points on news of the GM bankruptcy.
Anybody with sense knows that if the southern hemisphere was wiped
out by a meteor, the Dow would surge on news that the northern
hemisphere didn't get hit.
American business is corrupt.
The only hope for GM is to pirate Honda and Toyota management
to run it.

--Vic




It took me years to realize that Wall Street and everything connected to
it was a fraud.

It didn't take nearly that long for me to realize that Harry Krause, of
jingle writing fame, is a fraud.

Another **** on patrol. Are you on a 4 hour watch?

jps wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:09:26 -0400, jim78 wrote:

HK wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:56:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Goodbye, GM
by Michael Moore

(snip)

Michael Moore doesn't know how to make GM right.
And neither does GM.
I just saw its CFO in an interview.
He was asked about American jobs.
He bragged that 66% of GM vehicles bought by Americans are made by
Americans.
Then he was asked to allay worries that GM cars will be made in China.
He bragged that 99% of GM cars bought by Chinese are made in China.
He didn't bat an eye. Saw nothing odd about what he had said.
Neither than the interviewer.
American management. American in-depth press.
Of course the DJIA is up 250 points on news of the GM bankruptcy.
Anybody with sense knows that if the southern hemisphere was wiped
out by a meteor, the Dow would surge on news that the northern
hemisphere didn't get hit.
American business is corrupt.
The only hope for GM is to pirate Honda and Toyota management
to run it.

--Vic



It took me years to realize that Wall Street and everything connected to
it was a fraud.
It didn't take nearly that long for me to realize that Harry Krause, of
jingle writing fame, is a fraud.

Another **** on patrol. Are you on a 4 hour watch?


Jingle-writing? I haven't written jingles for advertisers in 35 years.
Oh...GC Boater...you got him pegged. He's another permanent resident of
the bozo bin.

On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:56:14 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 09:56:58 -0400, HK wrote:

Goodbye, GM
by Michael Moore


(snip)

Michael Moore doesn't know how to make GM right.
And neither does GM.
I just saw its CFO in an interview.
He was asked about American jobs.
He bragged that 66% of GM vehicles bought by Americans are made by
Americans.
Then he was asked to allay worries that GM cars will be made in China.
He bragged that 99% of GM cars bought by Chinese are made in China.
He didn't bat an eye. Saw nothing odd about what he had said.
Neither than the interviewer.

Obi wan kenobi says "look over there, there's nothing here to see..."

American management. American in-depth press.
Of course the DJIA is up 250 points on news of the GM bankruptcy.
Anybody with sense knows that if the southern hemisphere was wiped
out by a meteor, the Dow would surge on news that the northern
hemisphere didn't get hit.
American business is corrupt.
The only hope for GM is to pirate Honda and Toyota management
to run it.

Best idea I've heard.

I do think that Moore is on the right track by pointing out that our
underutilized industrial capacity can produce goods other than cars.

"Vic Smith" wrote in message
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The only hope for GM is to pirate Honda and Toyota management
to run it.

Well said. But that could also be said about any failing business. Just
turf the budy board room Harvard/yale games and get real tallent.

On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:56:14 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

The only hope for GM is to pirate Honda and Toyota management
to run it.

You've got to be kidding; they wouldn't know what to do with the mess
left behind. The best bet would be to lease out the best of the
production lines, and sell off the rest for what ever they can get.
There is no hope for GM with a labor friendly government owning half
of the company and the unions owning another big piece.

On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:16:20 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:56:14 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

The only hope for GM is to pirate Honda and Toyota management
to run it.

You've got to be kidding; they wouldn't know what to do with the mess
left behind. The best bet would be to lease out the best of the
production lines, and sell off the rest for what ever they can get.
There is no hope for GM with a labor friendly government owning half
of the company and the unions owning another big piece.

I don't think there's much left of GM. @60k employees.
Wages are almost down to that of the non-union imports.
The retirement/health plans are being jettisoned.
But their management is stuck in '50's, 60's type mentality.
Cars are "romantic."
Yeah, well business isn't. It's about profit.
That's something Honda and Toyota know.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:16:20 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:56:14 -0500, Vic Smith
wrote:

The only hope for GM is to pirate Honda and Toyota management
to run it.
You've got to be kidding; they wouldn't know what to do with the mess
left behind. The best bet would be to lease out the best of the
production lines, and sell off the rest for what ever they can get.
There is no hope for GM with a labor friendly government owning half
of the company and the unions owning another big piece.

I don't think there's much left of GM. @60k employees.
Wages are almost down to that of the non-union imports.
The retirement/health plans are being jettisoned.
But their management is stuck in '50's, 60's type mentality.
Cars are "romantic."
Yeah, well business isn't. It's about profit.
That's something Honda and Toyota know.

--Vic


I've gotten a few chuckles reading the complaints of the
"corporationists" that a 31-year-old "kid" from the Obama admin is sorta
telling GM what to do. Right, as if the 40 to 65 year old "seasoned"
auto execs that were running GM had a clue.

The U.S. auto industry has failed, and the failure is absolutely,
completely, totally the responsibiity of auto company management, boards
of directors, and shareholders, and the U.S. government and voters who
have and are still resisting the sorts of measures it takes to help our
car companies stay competitive with Asian producers.

The righties would like nothing more than to have disposable employees
who work for crap wages without decent working conditions, without
health care insurance for themselves and their families, and without a
viable retirement program. That, they think, will make us "competitive"
with the rest of the word.

Bull****.

Workers in most modern countries are not dependent upon their employers
for health insurance and many other benefits, and higher education for
their children is either free or highly subsidized by the state.

Perhaps if the U.S. car manufacturers "woke up" a few decades earlier
and discovered the Japanese were just killing them on quality, and that
quality mattered to buyers, they'd be in better shape today. Or perhaps
instead of supporting multiple car lines that were identical but for the
name badge, and the tremendous number of dealers such "duplicity"
required, and worked on customer satisfaction instead...well...

There are many factors involved in the demise of the Big Three. All of
them are attributable to bad management.