mmc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On May 25, 8:39 am, "mmc" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
A star to the Colorado Springs Gazette.
http://www.gazette.com/articles/iraq...eople-war.html
And to many other liberals. But, guess what -
"The leader of a statewide veterans group who fought for homeless
veterans in Colorado Springs is in jail in Denver today, unmasked as a
former mental patient who posed as a wounded Marine officer and 9/11
survivor.
The man who called himself Rick Duncan - purportedly a former Marine
captain and 1997 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy - is in fact
31-year-old Richard Glen Strandlof, a former mental patient who never
served in the military and falsely claimed that he was in the Pentagon
during the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to David Walsh
of the Colorado Veterans Alliance (CVA), which Duncan founded."
from:http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=10619
Lots of other interesting factoids about the fake Marine there. You'll
note the YouTube references were deleted. Wonder why?
However, a few of his YouTube shots remain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-oiMs9-mTg
You gotta love them liberals.
--
John H
The only thing I can see that could be considered as liberal is his
fighting
for homeless vets? Is that what irks you? What an asshole.
Mental illness, lying and pretending to be something you're not is just as
prevalent in the ridiculous right as it is in the limp left.

What probably is the most irking feature, is that he's doing it under
a false pretense. Is he using his fake service to supposedly get into
some arena's? if that's so, then when his deception is uncovered he
looses out a lot of credibility

why live a lie to do a good work?
_____________________

Good point, probably has a lot to do with the mental illness for him to
carry his charade that far. There are plenty of fakes out there without
mental problems. I've been around a few. Some people seem to inherit others
war stories as thier own.
If this guy is actually making something happen for homeless vets, I'd cut
him a lot of slack.
My point was should liberals have a corner on empathy, especially for this
specific group of people? Is this below republicans or untouchable because
it doesn't fit the "I got mine, so f*&k everyone else" mantra?

Fraud is fraud. Do the means justify the ends?

Would you tech your kids to do whatever they want to do with the hope
that everything will work out for the best in the end?

BAR wrote:
mmc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On May 25, 8:39 am, "mmc" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
A star to the Colorado Springs Gazette.
http://www.gazette.com/articles/iraq...eople-war.html
And to many other liberals. But, guess what -
"The leader of a statewide veterans group who fought for homeless
veterans in Colorado Springs is in jail in Denver today, unmasked as a
former mental patient who posed as a wounded Marine officer and 9/11
survivor.
The man who called himself Rick Duncan - purportedly a former Marine
captain and 1997 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy - is in fact
31-year-old Richard Glen Strandlof, a former mental patient who never
served in the military and falsely claimed that he was in the Pentagon
during the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to David Walsh
of the Colorado Veterans Alliance (CVA), which Duncan founded."
from:http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=10619
Lots of other interesting factoids about the fake Marine there. You'll
note the YouTube references were deleted. Wonder why?
However, a few of his YouTube shots remain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-oiMs9-mTg
You gotta love them liberals.
--
John H
The only thing I can see that could be considered as liberal is his
fighting
for homeless vets? Is that what irks you? What an asshole.
Mental illness, lying and pretending to be something you're not is
just as
prevalent in the ridiculous right as it is in the limp left.

What probably is the most irking feature, is that he's doing it under
a false pretense. Is he using his fake service to supposedly get into
some arena's? if that's so, then when his deception is uncovered he
looses out a lot of credibility

why live a lie to do a good work?
_____________________

Good point, probably has a lot to do with the mental illness for him
to carry his charade that far. There are plenty of fakes out there
without mental problems. I've been around a few. Some people seem to
inherit others war stories as thier own.
If this guy is actually making something happen for homeless vets, I'd
cut him a lot of slack.
My point was should liberals have a corner on empathy, especially for
this specific group of people? Is this below republicans or
untouchable because it doesn't fit the "I got mine, so f*&k everyone
else" mantra?

Fraud is fraud. Do the means justify the ends?

Would you tech your kids to do whatever they want to do with the hope
that everything will work out for the best in the end?

You mean, like Bush did when he decided to invade Iraq?

On Mon, 25 May 2009 09:39:19 -0400, "mmc" wrote:

The only thing I can see that could be considered as liberal is his fighting
for homeless vets? Is that what irks you?

I've tried mightly to stay out of this, but after reading through all
the posts again, I'd like to say something. Or rather, I'd like to let
Duncan speak for himself.

"Duncan said he came to oppose the war because of how it affected his
fellow troops.

“I continuously saw people being sent back into a meat grinder again
and again and again,” said Duncan, 30. “I saw people dying and leaving
families and distraught loved ones.

“Seeing the degradation of the military, the degradation of the
troops. There’s only so much you can take before you have to begin
speaking up.”

That's the problem - it's Winter Soldier all over again.

Why does Jesse MacBeth, who doesn't claim sacrifice or heroics but
claims to have committed war crimes he never actually committed? How
about Scott Beauchamp who claimed sexually mocking a woman disfigured
by an IED?

It's one thing to be anti-war - I have no issue with those who oppose
war - I oppose war, but I believe it's a necessary evil. It's quite
another to actually lie about your participation, what you've seen and
done and witnessed.

The reason it happens is because the very people writing the stories
and narrative want to believe it's true - it matches their personal
opinion and they don't take the time to do a simple check of
credentials and take everything at face value. Winter Soldier was a
great example of that and it's a lesson I had hoped was learned, but
it appears it's been forgotten.

Duncan at least has the excuse of mental illness and he did good
things wth his temporary celebrity - he has my thanks for helping and
fighting for a worthy cause.

It's the other half of the story that undoes all his good works.

Unfortunate.

And that's the end of my participation in this thread.

On May 24, 4:25*pm, HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
.. .
A star to the Colorado Springs Gazette.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/iraq...eople-war.html

And to many other liberals. But, guess what -

"The leader of a statewide veterans group who fought for homeless
veterans in Colorado Springs is in jail in Denver today, unmasked as a
former mental patient who posed as a wounded Marine officer and 9/11
survivor.

The man who called himself Rick Duncan - purportedly a former Marine
captain and 1997 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy - is in fact
31-year-old Richard Glen Strandlof, a former mental patient who never
served in the military and falsely claimed that he was in the Pentagon
during the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to David Walsh
of the Colorado Veterans Alliance (CVA), which Duncan founded."

from:http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=10619

Lots of other interesting factoids about the fake Marine there. You'll
note the YouTube references were deleted. Wonder why?

However, a few of his YouTube shots remain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-oiMs9-mTg

You gotta love them liberals.
--
John H

Well...you faked being a responsible Major and then Lt Colonel for years in
the US Army.
Is there still a chance you'll be outed?

Yeouch!

I wonder how much of the blame for our losing the war against Vietnam
can be lodged against our two losers here, Col. Herring or Swabbie
Floridajinxed?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's our Harry, nothing but hate and disdain for those who risked
their lives to keep the fat nasty asshole safe.

wrote:
On May 24, 4:25 pm, HK wrote:
Don White wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
A star to the Colorado Springs Gazette.
http://www.gazette.com/articles/iraq...eople-war.html
And to many other liberals. But, guess what -
"The leader of a statewide veterans group who fought for homeless
veterans in Colorado Springs is in jail in Denver today, unmasked as a
former mental patient who posed as a wounded Marine officer and 9/11
survivor.
The man who called himself Rick Duncan - purportedly a former Marine
captain and 1997 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy - is in fact
31-year-old Richard Glen Strandlof, a former mental patient who never
served in the military and falsely claimed that he was in the Pentagon
during the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to David Walsh
of the Colorado Veterans Alliance (CVA), which Duncan founded."
from:http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=10619
Lots of other interesting factoids about the fake Marine there. You'll
note the YouTube references were deleted. Wonder why?
However, a few of his YouTube shots remain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-oiMs9-mTg
You gotta love them liberals.
--
John H
Well...you faked being a responsible Major and then Lt Colonel for years in
the US Army.
Is there still a chance you'll be outed?
Yeouch!

I wonder how much of the blame for our losing the war against Vietnam
can be lodged against our two losers here, Col. Herring or Swabbie
Floridajinxed?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's our Harry, nothing but hate and disdain for those who risked
their lives to keep the fat nasty asshole safe.

The real tragedy is that some other poor soul got his name on the wall
in place of coward Krause.

"BAR" wrote in message
...
mmc wrote:
"Tim" wrote in message
...
On May 25, 8:39 am, "mmc" wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
...
A star to the Colorado Springs Gazette.
http://www.gazette.com/articles/iraq...eople-war.html
And to many other liberals. But, guess what -
"The leader of a statewide veterans group who fought for homeless
veterans in Colorado Springs is in jail in Denver today, unmasked as a
former mental patient who posed as a wounded Marine officer and 9/11
survivor.
The man who called himself Rick Duncan - purportedly a former Marine
captain and 1997 graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy - is in fact
31-year-old Richard Glen Strandlof, a former mental patient who never
served in the military and falsely claimed that he was in the Pentagon
during the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to David Walsh
of the Colorado Veterans Alliance (CVA), which Duncan founded."
from:http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=10619
Lots of other interesting factoids about the fake Marine there. You'll
note the YouTube references were deleted. Wonder why?
However, a few of his YouTube shots remain.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-oiMs9-mTg
You gotta love them liberals.
--
John H
The only thing I can see that could be considered as liberal is his
fighting
for homeless vets? Is that what irks you? What an asshole.
Mental illness, lying and pretending to be something you're not is just
as
prevalent in the ridiculous right as it is in the limp left.

What probably is the most irking feature, is that he's doing it under
a false pretense. Is he using his fake service to supposedly get into
some arena's? if that's so, then when his deception is uncovered he
looses out a lot of credibility

why live a lie to do a good work?
_____________________

Good point, probably has a lot to do with the mental illness for him to
carry his charade that far. There are plenty of fakes out there without
mental problems. I've been around a few. Some people seem to inherit
others war stories as thier own.
If this guy is actually making something happen for homeless vets, I'd
cut him a lot of slack.
My point was should liberals have a corner on empathy, especially for
this specific group of people? Is this below republicans or untouchable
because it doesn't fit the "I got mine, so f*&k everyone else" mantra?

Fraud is fraud. Do the means justify the ends?

Would you tech your kids to do whatever they want to do with the hope that
everything will work out for the best in the end?
_
No, I've taught my kid that we are answerable for our actions, and for our
inactions.
My complaint, from my first response in this string, is that helping those
who can't help themselves is apparently considered "liberal" (as a slur),
even when those that can't help themselves are US Military Veterans, many
from the Vietnam and Gulf wars and now from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
I wasn't justifying any fakes, just saying that this guy was doing good
things for OUR (yours and mine) FELLOW VETS, and I cut him a lot of slack
for that.

On Tue, 26 May 2009 15:12:09 -0400, "mmc" wrote:

My complaint, from my first response in this string, is that helping those
who can't help themselves is apparently considered "liberal" (as a slur),
even when those that can't help themselves are US Military Veterans, many
from the Vietnam and Gulf wars and now from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
I wasn't justifying any fakes, just saying that this guy was doing good
things for OUR (yours and mine) FELLOW VETS, and I cut him a lot of slack
for that.

Well said. Thank you.

Same thinking was prevalent around desegregation, inter-racial
rmarriage, the genesis of gay rights, etc.

Progress and change is scary to "conservatives" even if they recognize
the inherent fairness.

On Sun, 24 May 2009 14:59:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

The leader of a statewide veterans group who fought for homeless
veterans in Colorado Springs is in jail in Denver today, unmasked as a
former mental patient who posed as a wounded Marine officer and 9/11
survivor.

The stolen valor people favor the navy SEALS. Those and the green
berets. Everyone believe me when I say I was a clerk, with the only
bullets I ever saw the ones I was carrying.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009 14:59:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

The leader of a statewide veterans group who fought for homeless
veterans in Colorado Springs is in jail in Denver today, unmasked as a
former mental patient who posed as a wounded Marine officer and 9/11
survivor.

The stolen valor people favor the navy SEALS. Those and the green
berets. Everyone believe me when I say I was a clerk, with the only
bullets I ever saw the ones I was carrying.

Casady


Why would anyone want to pretend to be some sort of "supersoldier"
during the war against vietnam?

On May 26, 2:12*pm, "mmc" wrote:

I wasn't justifying any fakes, just saying that this guy was doing good
things for OUR (yours and mine) FELLOW VETS, and I cut him a lot of slack
for that.


Thugs like Al Capone all the way to John Gotti busted a lot of knee
caps, had many of their enemy's ( and peers) strangled, mutilated,
tortured and murdered. But they sure fed a lot of their neighborhoods
kids.

So I cut them a lot of slack for that too!

?;^ Q