[Eisboch[_4_]]

"D.Duck" wrote in message
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Gotta stop living in the past and move on. We're in deep doo-doo.


You've got that right.

I was beginning to become a little optimistic about a recovery.
Not so sure anymore.

[HK]

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
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This sends me and I aim to **** and moan right back at the idiots
who've prejudged everything Obama has done without seeing any results.


Some of us can read a road map. We don't need to be there to
recognize the ultimate destination.

Eisboch


You were silent when Bush drove this country over a cliff.


Not so. I voted for Bush over Gore in his first term election, and I
certainly didn't vote for Kerry.
However, as events evolved, I think I expressed disappointment with many
of Bush's policies and decisions.
I even admitted that I didn't think he was the brightest bulb in the draw.

I still don't buy all the "lying to get us into a war" rhetoric though.
There is plenty of evidence that Congressional leaders in both parties
were convinced of a potential threat by Iraq, even before Bush. That
history cannot be changed. Those that sounded the battle cries and then
changed their mind later are all forgiven by the left. Those who had to
make the decisions are held accountable and therefore get all the blame.

I even offered comments of respect for Obama, both pre and post
election. I thought he would be especially good for the country in the
repair of global relations matters. Still do, to a degree. But his
domestic social and economic ideas and policies disturb me greatly, and
the more he talks the more disturbed I become. Radical changes are
being pushed that go beyond fixing greed, dishonest companies, banks or
Wall Street. Those issues should be addressed and fixed, but not at
the cost of changing the basic social and economic structure of the
country.

So, I don't preach the latest round of political talking points like
you. I think for myself.

Eisboch


We've been run over a cliff by the Republican Bush Administration...and
it is going to take the sort of drastic measures Obama is pushing for to
keep us from hitting bottom.

There's no way to fix the rapacious greed of Wall Street, dishonest
corporations, banks and insurance companies, et cetera, without radical
changes.

The United States has only been working for the very wealthy the last
handful of years. If we cannot rebuild the middle class and at the sake
of the greedy wealthy if that is what it takes, then there is nothing
worth saving.

[HK]

D.Duck wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...

This sends me and I aim to **** and moan right back at the idiots
who've prejudged everything Obama has done without seeing any results.

Some of us can read a road map. We don't need to be there to recognize
the ultimate destination.

Eisboch

You were silent when Bush drove this country over a cliff.

Not so. I voted for Bush over Gore in his first term election, and I
certainly didn't vote for Kerry.
However, as events evolved, I think I expressed disappointment with many
of Bush's policies and decisions.
I even admitted that I didn't think he was the brightest bulb in the draw.

I still don't buy all the "lying to get us into a war" rhetoric though.
There is plenty of evidence that Congressional leaders in both parties
were convinced of a potential threat by Iraq, even before Bush. That
history cannot be changed. Those that sounded the battle cries and then
changed their mind later are all forgiven by the left. Those who had to
make the decisions are held accountable and therefore get all the blame.

I even offered comments of respect for Obama, both pre and post election.
I thought he would be especially good for the country in the repair of
global relations matters. Still do, to a degree. But his domestic
social and economic ideas and policies disturb me greatly, and the more he
talks the more disturbed I become. Radical changes are being pushed that
go beyond fixing greed, dishonest companies, banks or Wall Street.
Those issues should be addressed and fixed, but not at the cost of
changing the basic social and economic structure of the country.

So, I don't preach the latest round of political talking points like you.
I think for myself.

Eisboch


The reply to your well written post will be, Bush did this and Bush did
that.

Gotta stop living in the past and move on. We're in deep doo-doo.



It is important to drive home again and again and again just who pushed
this country over a cliff. It was...the Republicans and Bush.

Thank you.

[Jim22208]

HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
...
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
...

This sends me and I aim to **** and moan right back at the idiots
who've prejudged everything Obama has done without seeing any
results.

Some of us can read a road map. We don't need to be there to
recognize the ultimate destination.

Eisboch

You were silent when Bush drove this country over a cliff.

Not so. I voted for Bush over Gore in his first term election, and I
certainly didn't vote for Kerry.
However, as events evolved, I think I expressed disappointment with
many of Bush's policies and decisions.
I even admitted that I didn't think he was the brightest bulb in the
draw.

I still don't buy all the "lying to get us into a war" rhetoric
though. There is plenty of evidence that Congressional leaders in
both parties were convinced of a potential threat by Iraq, even
before Bush. That history cannot be changed. Those that sounded
the battle cries and then changed their mind later are all forgiven
by the left. Those who had to make the decisions are held
accountable and therefore get all the blame.

I even offered comments of respect for Obama, both pre and post
election. I thought he would be especially good for the country in
the repair of global relations matters. Still do, to a degree. But
his domestic social and economic ideas and policies disturb me
greatly, and the more he talks the more disturbed I become. Radical
changes are being pushed that go beyond fixing greed, dishonest
companies, banks or Wall Street. Those issues should be addressed and
fixed, but not at the cost of changing the basic social and economic
structure of the country.

So, I don't preach the latest round of political talking points like
you. I think for myself.

Eisboch


The reply to your well written post will be, Bush did this and Bush
did that.

Gotta stop living in the past and move on. We're in deep doo-doo.


It is important to drive home again and again and again just who pushed
this country over a cliff. It was...the Republicans and Bush.

Thank you.

That's not really going to help with anything. Do you have anything else
on your mind that's important?

[[email protected]]

On May 22, 7:17*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

...





Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
. ..

This sends *me and I aim to **** and moan right back at the idiots
who've prejudged everything Obama has done without seeing any results..

Some of us can read a road map. *We don't need to be there to recognize
the ultimate destination.

Eisboch

You were silent when Bush drove this country over a cliff.

Not so. *I voted for Bush over Gore in his first term election, and I
certainly didn't vote for Kerry.
However, as events evolved, I think I expressed disappointment with many of
Bush's policies and decisions.
I even admitted that I didn't think he was the brightest bulb in the draw..


Of course you did, we were all here.... No need to defend yourself to
harry who was busy with his spoon fed hate and his widdew capguns..
Sitting with his hands over his ears...

[thunder]

On Fri, 22 May 2009 07:17:41 -0400, Eisboch wrote:


I still don't buy all the "lying to get us into a war" rhetoric though.
There is plenty of evidence that Congressional leaders in both parties
were convinced of a potential threat by Iraq, even before Bush.

Just curious, from what we were told then, do you think the potential
threat justified a war? In hindsight, this war? For me, a nuclear armed
Saddam would have been cause. But, I'm old school. War is the last
resort. Even now, it seems it was the first resort for Bush.

[[email protected]]

On May 21, 9:25*pm, HK wrote:
Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
Pinocchio, Snow White, and Superman are out for a stroll in town one
day. As they walked, they come across a sign: "Beauty contest for the
most beautiful woman in the world."

"I am entering!" said Snow White. After half an hour she comes out and
they ask her, "Well, how'd ya do?"

"First Place!" said Snow White.

They continue walking and they see a sign: "Contest for the strongest
man in the world."

"I'm entering," says Superman. After half an hour, he returns and they
ask him, "How did you make out?"

"First Place," answers Superman. "Did you ever doubt?"

They continue walking when they see a sign: "Contest! Who is the
greatest liar in the world?" Pinocchio enters.

After half an hour he returns with tears in his eyes.

"What happened?" they asked.

"Who the hell is Nancy Pelosi?" asked Pinocchio.

Is this how the "Twenty Per Centers" amuse themselves these days, as
they and their party slide into oblivion?

BTW, have you noticed that more and more Republicans are citing examples
of how the CIA lied to them and to Congress?

How's Dick Cheney doing for ya these days? * *snerk- Hide quoted text -

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That must be some vacation you're on. Sitting in a hotel room pounding
on your keyboard all of the time. Of course, besides fishing and
shopping, there isn't much in Vero anyway.

[[email protected]]

On May 22, 6:21*am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"jps" wrote in message
.. .

This sends *me and I aim to **** and moan right back at the idiots
who've prejudged everything Obama has done without seeing any results.

Some of us can read a road map. *We don't need to be there to recognize
the ultimate destination.

Eisboch

You were silent when Bush drove this country over a cliff.

That's not true. Eisboch was one of the few who didn't take anything
and everything that Bush did as saintly. He criticized him plenty. But
then again, you just aren't good at telling the truth.

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On May 22, 7:43*am, HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...
"HK" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"jps" wrote in message
m...

This sends *me and I aim to **** and moan right back at the idiots
who've prejudged everything Obama has done without seeing any results.

Some of us can read a road map. *We don't need to be there to recognize
the ultimate destination.

Eisboch

You were silent when Bush drove this country over a cliff.

Not so. *I voted for Bush over Gore in his first term election, and I
certainly didn't vote for Kerry.
However, as events evolved, I think I expressed disappointment with many
of Bush's policies and decisions.
I even admitted that I didn't think he was the brightest bulb in the draw.

I still don't buy all the "lying to get us into a war" rhetoric though..
There is plenty of evidence that Congressional leaders in both parties
were convinced of a potential threat by Iraq, even before Bush. * That
history cannot be changed. *Those that sounded the battle cries and then
changed their mind later are all forgiven by the left. *Those who had to
make the decisions are held accountable and therefore get all the blame.

I even offered comments of respect for Obama, both pre and post election.
I thought he would be especially good for the country in the repair of
global relations matters. * Still do, to a degree. *But his domestic
social and economic ideas and policies disturb me greatly, and the more he
talks the more disturbed I become. * Radical changes are being pushed that
go beyond fixing greed, *dishonest companies, banks or Wall Street.
Those issues should be addressed and fixed, but not at the cost of
changing the basic social and economic structure of the country.

So, I don't preach the latest round of political talking points like you.
I think for myself.

Eisboch

The reply to your well written post will be, Bush did this and Bush did
that.

Gotta stop living in the past and move on. *We're in deep doo-doo.

It is important to drive home again and again and again just who pushed
this country over a cliff. It was...the Republicans and Bush.

Thank you.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Why is it important? What is important is to FIX the problem, not
whine about it. In my line of work, I've made the statement many
times, I'm not here to point fingers, I don't care how we got where we
are, that's passed, we're here. What we need to do now is move forward
and fix the problem.

[Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.[_5_]]

jps wrote:


This sends me and I aim to **** and moan right back at the idiots
who've prejudged everything Obama has done without seeing any results.

That includes a good many of the righties in rec.boats.

I would guess that Harry Krause has done more for the Republicans than
any other one person. His constant BS has swayed more rec.boats
independents to vote Reps. and I would assume in real life, than any ads
or right wing talk show. The majority of the people who listen to the
talk shows already agree with whatever they are saying.

If you would like to actually influence people's decision, you would be
much more successful, if you followed someone like Eisboch. HI method
of discussion and debate is actually effective. He sticks to issues,
and even if someone disagrees with him, or his interpretation of the
"facts" they don't find him disagreeable and will be more inclined to
think about his ideas. That is the only way you or anyone else can
influence the independents, who for the last 20 yrs have been the voters
who will decided which party will be in power.


--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

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