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U.S. Soldier Kills 5 Comrades in Iraq
A sad, sad news story:
May 12, 2009 U.S. Soldier Kills 5 Comrades in Iraq, Military Says By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS NY Times BAGHDAD — The United States military said Monday that five American soldiers had been shot to death by a fellow soldier who opened fire on them at one of the biggest American bases in Baghdad, and that the suspected shooter was in custody. The killings appeared to be the worst case of lethal non-combat casualties for the American forces in Iraq since the invasion more than six years ago. The shooting took place at around 2 p.m. local time at Camp Liberty, a sprawling base next to Baghdad airport, the military said in a statement. The names of the dead soldiers were being withheld pending family notification, the statement said. “Anytime we lose one of our own, it affects us all,” Col. John Robinson, a spokesman for the U.S. military in Iraq, said in the statement. CNN, citing unnamed officials, said that at least three others were wounded in the attack, which it said had taken place at a clinic for soldiers suffering from war stress. - - - It's still not clear the military establishment is taking seriously the mental health problems of service personnel serving ever-extended tours in Iraq and of service personnel not getting the help they need when they return home. *The military still attaches a stigma to those who seek help.* That has to stop, and until it does, whatever efforts the military establishment takes to help these service personnel will not be as effective as they need to be. I think I mentioned here a couple of weeks ago the military and the VA were engaging in a massive recruitment drive to get mental health professionals to enlist, and to find more civilians with whom contract arrangements can be established. Both, obviously, are needed. |
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On Mon, 11 May 2009 14:34:45 -0400, HK wrote:
wrote: On Mon, 11 May 2009 12:58:39 -0400, HK wrote: A sad, sad news story: May 12, 2009 U.S. Soldier Kills 5 Comrades in Iraq, Military Says By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS NY Times BAGHDAD — The United States military said Monday that five American soldiers had been shot to death by a fellow soldier who opened fire on them at one of the biggest American bases in Baghdad, and that the suspected shooter was in custody. The killings appeared to be the worst case of lethal non-combat casualties for the American forces in Iraq since the invasion more than six years ago. The shooting took place at around 2 p.m. local time at Camp Liberty, a sprawling base next to Baghdad airport, the military said in a statement. The names of the dead soldiers were being withheld pending family notification, the statement said. “Anytime we lose one of our own, it affects us all,” Col. John Robinson, a spokesman for the U.S. military in Iraq, said in the statement. CNN, citing unnamed officials, said that at least three others were wounded in the attack, which it said had taken place at a clinic for soldiers suffering from war stress. - - - It's still not clear the military establishment is taking seriously the mental health problems of service personnel serving ever-extended tours in Iraq and of service personnel not getting the help they need when they return home. *The military still attaches a stigma to those who seek help.* That has to stop, and until it does, whatever efforts the military establishment takes to help these service personnel will not be as effective as they need to be. I think I mentioned here a couple of weeks ago the military and the VA were engaging in a massive recruitment drive to get mental health professionals to enlist, and to find more civilians with whom contract arrangements can be established. Both, obviously, are needed. Maybe we should take their guns away Despite what the righties here may think, I don't see anything humorous in this situation, not even "snarkily" humorous. In case you haven't noticed, the number of service personnel coming home from that war after extended stays and then getting involved in spouse shootings and suicides is way up, and this incident surely is part and parcel of that sort of emotional stress. It is an issue the military establishment has yet to address properly. The pentagon doesn't give a ****. These kids are just collateral, gun carrying, expedible meat. |
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U.S. Soldier Kills 5 Comrades in Iraq
On Mon, 11 May 2009 13:03:47 -0700, jps wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 14:34:45 -0400, HK wrote: wrote: On Mon, 11 May 2009 12:58:39 -0400, HK wrote: A sad, sad news story: May 12, 2009 U.S. Soldier Kills 5 Comrades in Iraq, Military Says By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS NY Times BAGHDAD — The United States military said Monday that five American soldiers had been shot to death by a fellow soldier who opened fire on them at one of the biggest American bases in Baghdad, and that the suspected shooter was in custody. The killings appeared to be the worst case of lethal non-combat casualties for the American forces in Iraq since the invasion more than six years ago. The shooting took place at around 2 p.m. local time at Camp Liberty, a sprawling base next to Baghdad airport, the military said in a statement. The names of the dead soldiers were being withheld pending family notification, the statement said. “Anytime we lose one of our own, it affects us all,” Col. John Robinson, a spokesman for the U.S. military in Iraq, said in the statement. CNN, citing unnamed officials, said that at least three others were wounded in the attack, which it said had taken place at a clinic for soldiers suffering from war stress. - - - It's still not clear the military establishment is taking seriously the mental health problems of service personnel serving ever-extended tours in Iraq and of service personnel not getting the help they need when they return home. *The military still attaches a stigma to those who seek help.* That has to stop, and until it does, whatever efforts the military establishment takes to help these service personnel will not be as effective as they need to be. I think I mentioned here a couple of weeks ago the military and the VA were engaging in a massive recruitment drive to get mental health professionals to enlist, and to find more civilians with whom contract arrangements can be established. Both, obviously, are needed. Maybe we should take their guns away Despite what the righties here may think, I don't see anything humorous in this situation, not even "snarkily" humorous. In case you haven't noticed, the number of service personnel coming home from that war after extended stays and then getting involved in spouse shootings and suicides is way up, and this incident surely is part and parcel of that sort of emotional stress. It is an issue the military establishment has yet to address properly. The pentagon doesn't give a ****. These kids are just collateral, gun carrying, expedible meat. You've not one iota of an idea what you're talking about. You've reached Krause's level of absurdity. -- John H ************************** "That's not a *baby* kicking, beautiful bride, it's just a fetus you feel." (Harry Krause truism) |
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jps wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 14:34:45 -0400, HK wrote: wrote: On Mon, 11 May 2009 12:58:39 -0400, HK wrote: A sad, sad news story: May 12, 2009 U.S. Soldier Kills 5 Comrades in Iraq, Military Says By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS NY Times BAGHDAD — The United States military said Monday that five American soldiers had been shot to death by a fellow soldier who opened fire on them at one of the biggest American bases in Baghdad, and that the suspected shooter was in custody. The killings appeared to be the worst case of lethal non-combat casualties for the American forces in Iraq since the invasion more than six years ago. The shooting took place at around 2 p.m. local time at Camp Liberty, a sprawling base next to Baghdad airport, the military said in a statement. The names of the dead soldiers were being withheld pending family notification, the statement said. “Anytime we lose one of our own, it affects us all,” Col. John Robinson, a spokesman for the U.S. military in Iraq, said in the statement. CNN, citing unnamed officials, said that at least three others were wounded in the attack, which it said had taken place at a clinic for soldiers suffering from war stress. - - - It's still not clear the military establishment is taking seriously the mental health problems of service personnel serving ever-extended tours in Iraq and of service personnel not getting the help they need when they return home. *The military still attaches a stigma to those who seek help.* That has to stop, and until it does, whatever efforts the military establishment takes to help these service personnel will not be as effective as they need to be. I think I mentioned here a couple of weeks ago the military and the VA were engaging in a massive recruitment drive to get mental health professionals to enlist, and to find more civilians with whom contract arrangements can be established. Both, obviously, are needed. Maybe we should take their guns away Despite what the righties here may think, I don't see anything humorous in this situation, not even "snarkily" humorous. In case you haven't noticed, the number of service personnel coming home from that war after extended stays and then getting involved in spouse shootings and suicides is way up, and this incident surely is part and parcel of that sort of emotional stress. It is an issue the military establishment has yet to address properly. The pentagon doesn't give a ****. These kids are just collateral, gun carrying, expedible meat. Well, the attitudes are just part of the military establishment macho bull****. I think Obama will push the Pentagon in the right direction on this issue. I also aom convinced Bush and Cheney didn't give a **** and actually considered military personnel expendible meat. |
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U.S. Soldier Kills 5 Comrades in Iraq
wrote in message ... On Mon, 11 May 2009 12:58:39 -0400, HK wrote: A sad, sad news story: May 12, 2009 U.S. Soldier Kills 5 Comrades in Iraq, Military Says By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS NY Times BAGHDAD - The United States military said Monday that five American soldiers had been shot to death by a fellow soldier who opened fire on them at one of the biggest American bases in Baghdad, and that the suspected shooter was in custody. The killings appeared to be the worst case of lethal non-combat casualties for the American forces in Iraq since the invasion more than six years ago. The shooting took place at around 2 p.m. local time at Camp Liberty, a sprawling base next to Baghdad airport, the military said in a statement. The names of the dead soldiers were being withheld pending family notification, the statement said. "Anytime we lose one of our own, it affects us all," Col. John Robinson, a spokesman for the U.S. military in Iraq, said in the statement. CNN, citing unnamed officials, said that at least three others were wounded in the attack, which it said had taken place at a clinic for soldiers suffering from war stress. - - - It's still not clear the military establishment is taking seriously the mental health problems of service personnel serving ever-extended tours in Iraq and of service personnel not getting the help they need when they return home. *The military still attaches a stigma to those who seek help.* That has to stop, and until it does, whatever efforts the military establishment takes to help these service personnel will not be as effective as they need to be. I think I mentioned here a couple of weeks ago the military and the VA were engaging in a massive recruitment drive to get mental health professionals to enlist, and to find more civilians with whom contract arrangements can be established. Both, obviously, are needed. Maybe we should take their guns away Actually, maybe we should be screening for and treating PTSD. |
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U.S. Soldier Kills 5 Comrades in Iraq
HK wrote:
wrote: On Mon, 11 May 2009 14:34:45 -0400, HK wrote: Maybe we should take their guns away Despite what the righties here may think, I don't see anything humorous in this situation, not even "snarkily" humorous. In case you haven't noticed, the number of service personnel coming home from that war after extended stays and then getting involved in spouse shootings and suicides is way up, and this incident surely is part and parcel of that sort of emotional stress. It is an issue the military establishment has yet to address properly. Something like reinstate the draft? Increase the gene pool? I have no objection to reinstating the draft, so long as the only exemptions are for serious physical or emotional disabilities. Are you trying to tell us that's how you got temporarily wavered from the draft? I'd rather think you lied and cheated your way out. |
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U.S. Soldier Kills 5 Comrades in Iraq
wrote in message ... Maybe we should take their guns away Or certainly disqualify them from future postal worker union jobs. Not making light of a sad story, but it's a aberration, not a norm. More union postal workers have freaked out than active duty military. Harry presents the sad news as if it's a epidemic. Of course. Eisboch |
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