HK wrote:
wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 14:34:45 -0400, HK wrote:

Maybe we should take their guns away

Despite what the righties here may think, I don't see anything
humorous in this situation, not even "snarkily" humorous. In case you
haven't noticed, the number of service personnel coming home from
that war after extended stays and then getting involved in spouse
shootings and suicides is way up, and this incident surely is part
and parcel of that sort of emotional stress.

It is an issue the military establishment has yet to address properly.


Something like reinstate the draft? Increase the gene pool?


I have no objection to reinstating the draft, so long as the only
exemptions are for serious physical or emotional disabilities.

Are you trying to tell us that's how you got temporarily wavered from
the draft? I'd rather think you lied and cheated your way out.

On Mon, 11 May 2009 18:07:40 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 14:34:45 -0400, HK wrote:

Maybe we should take their guns away

Despite what the righties here may think, I don't see anything humorous
in this situation, not even "snarkily" humorous. In case you haven't
noticed, the number of service personnel coming home from that war after
extended stays and then getting involved in spouse shootings and
suicides is way up, and this incident surely is part and parcel of that
sort of emotional stress.

It is an issue the military establishment has yet to address properly.


Something like reinstate the draft? Increase the gene pool?


I have no objection to reinstating the draft, so long as the only
exemptions are for serious physical or emotional disabilities.

Women's lib and the draft are incompatable.
Gonna fill half the Army with combat chicks?
Won't ever happen.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 18:07:40 -0400, HK wrote:

wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 14:34:45 -0400, HK wrote:

Maybe we should take their guns away
Despite what the righties here may think, I don't see anything humorous
in this situation, not even "snarkily" humorous. In case you haven't
noticed, the number of service personnel coming home from that war after
extended stays and then getting involved in spouse shootings and
suicides is way up, and this incident surely is part and parcel of that
sort of emotional stress.

It is an issue the military establishment has yet to address properly.

Something like reinstate the draft? Increase the gene pool?

I have no objection to reinstating the draft, so long as the only
exemptions are for serious physical or emotional disabilities.

Women's lib and the draft are incompatable.
Gonna fill half the Army with combat chicks?
Won't ever happen.

--Vic


The Israelis seem to have plenty of women in uniform, and they are
patrolling their cities with assault weapons over their shoulders.

On Mon, 11 May 2009 18:48:31 -0400, HK wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 18:07:40 -0400, HK wrote:


Women's lib and the draft are incompatable.
Gonna fill half the Army with combat chicks?
Won't ever happen.

--Vic


The Israelis seem to have plenty of women in uniform, and they are
patrolling their cities with assault weapons over their shoulders.

This ain't Israel.

--Vic

HK wrote:


I have no objection to reinstating the draft, so long as the only
exemptions are for ... emotional disabilities.

Sure, you have no objection to the draft, as long as they give you an
easy exemption.
--
Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq.

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On Mon, 11 May 2009 13:53:08 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 11 May 2009 12:58:39 -0400, HK wrote:

A sad, sad news story:


May 12, 2009
U.S. Soldier Kills 5 Comrades in Iraq, Military Says
By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS
NY Times

BAGHDAD — The United States military said Monday that five American
soldiers had been shot to death by a fellow soldier who opened fire on
them at one of the biggest American bases in Baghdad, and that the
suspected shooter was in custody.

The killings appeared to be the worst case of lethal non-combat
casualties for the American forces in Iraq since the invasion more than
six years ago.

The shooting took place at around 2 p.m. local time at Camp Liberty, a
sprawling base next to Baghdad airport, the military said in a
statement. The names of the dead soldiers were being withheld pending
family notification, the statement said.

“Anytime we lose one of our own, it affects us all,” Col. John Robinson,
a spokesman for the U.S. military in Iraq, said in the statement.

CNN, citing unnamed officials, said that at least three others were
wounded in the attack, which it said had taken place at a clinic for
soldiers suffering from war stress.

- - -

It's still not clear the military establishment is taking seriously the
mental health problems of service personnel serving ever-extended tours
in Iraq and of service personnel not getting the help they need when
they return home. *The military still attaches a stigma to those who
seek help.* That has to stop, and until it does, whatever efforts the
military establishment takes to help these service personnel will not be
as effective as they need to be.

I think I mentioned here a couple of weeks ago the military and the VA
were engaging in a massive recruitment drive to get mental health
professionals to enlist, and to find more civilians with whom contract
arrangements can be established. Both, obviously, are needed.



Maybe we should take their guns away

Why has Obama still got us in Iraq? If we have no business there, as
the liberals have been yelling for several years, why the hell are we
still there.

Obama lied, soldiers died.
--
John H

For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm

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On Mon, 11 May 2009 12:58:39 -0400, HK wrote:

A sad, sad news story:


May 12, 2009
U.S. Soldier Kills 5 Comrades in Iraq, Military Says
By TIMOTHY WILLIAMS
NY Times

BAGHDAD - The United States military said Monday that five American
soldiers had been shot to death by a fellow soldier who opened fire on
them at one of the biggest American bases in Baghdad, and that the
suspected shooter was in custody.

The killings appeared to be the worst case of lethal non-combat
casualties for the American forces in Iraq since the invasion more than
six years ago.

The shooting took place at around 2 p.m. local time at Camp Liberty, a
sprawling base next to Baghdad airport, the military said in a
statement. The names of the dead soldiers were being withheld pending
family notification, the statement said.

"Anytime we lose one of our own, it affects us all," Col. John Robinson,
a spokesman for the U.S. military in Iraq, said in the statement.

CNN, citing unnamed officials, said that at least three others were
wounded in the attack, which it said had taken place at a clinic for
soldiers suffering from war stress.

- - -

It's still not clear the military establishment is taking seriously the
mental health problems of service personnel serving ever-extended tours
in Iraq and of service personnel not getting the help they need when
they return home. *The military still attaches a stigma to those who
seek help.* That has to stop, and until it does, whatever efforts the
military establishment takes to help these service personnel will not be
as effective as they need to be.

I think I mentioned here a couple of weeks ago the military and the VA
were engaging in a massive recruitment drive to get mental health
professionals to enlist, and to find more civilians with whom contract
arrangements can be established. Both, obviously, are needed.



Maybe we should take their guns away

Actually, maybe we should be screening for and treating PTSD.

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Maybe we should take their guns away


Or certainly disqualify them from future postal worker union jobs.

Not making light of a sad story, but it's a aberration, not a norm.
More union postal workers have freaked out than active duty military.

Harry presents the sad news as if it's a epidemic. Of course.

Eisboch

On Mon, 11 May 2009 18:39:02 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


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Maybe we should take their guns away


Or certainly disqualify them from future postal worker union jobs.

Not making light of a sad story, but it's a aberration, not a norm.
More union postal workers have freaked out than active duty military.

Harry presents the sad news as if it's a epidemic. Of course.

Eisboch

The troops sent over for 3 or 4 tours are coming back with serious
psychological problems. They abused these soldiers without regard to
the consequences.

As far as percentages go, it is an epidemic.

jps wrote:
On Mon, 11 May 2009 18:39:02 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

wrote in message
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Maybe we should take their guns away

Or certainly disqualify them from future postal worker union jobs.

Not making light of a sad story, but it's a aberration, not a norm.
More union postal workers have freaked out than active duty military.

Harry presents the sad news as if it's a epidemic. Of course.

Eisboch

The troops sent over for 3 or 4 tours are coming back with serious
psychological problems. They abused these soldiers without regard to
the consequences.

As far as percentages go, it is an epidemic.


Shhhhh. It's a secret.