"BAR" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

Fuel cell technology is the future.



Not with hydrogen, it costs too much.




Plenty of hydrogen in water.

It may take a few more years to perfect, but I think it has real promise.
So does the government and the automobile manufacturers (what's left of
them)

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-e.../fuel-cell.htm

Eisboch

On Sat, 2 May 2009 10:36:30 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Plenty of hydrogen in water.

It may take a few more years to perfect, but I think it has real promise.
So does the

Water is burnt hydrogen. You can burn ten pounds of coal in a
efficient power plant and make a pound of hydrogen from the juice, and
water. It is nuts to make it from oil or natural gas. The hydro is in
use and there are no more good dam sites. In Iowa wind is supplying 5%
of the juice and they make most of the hardware right here. Hydrogen
is more promising than batteries, but what is going to actually
happen, is gasoline made from coal.

Casady

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Sat, 2 May 2009 10:36:30 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Plenty of hydrogen in water.

It may take a few more years to perfect, but I think it has real promise.
So does the

Water is burnt hydrogen. You can burn ten pounds of coal in a
efficient power plant and make a pound of hydrogen from the juice, and
water. It is nuts to make it from oil or natural gas. The hydro is in
use and there are no more good dam sites. In Iowa wind is supplying 5%
of the juice and they make most of the hardware right here. Hydrogen
is more promising than batteries, but what is going to actually
happen, is gasoline made from coal.

Casady


The hydrogen in water is still hydrogen. If efficient methods to
disassociate it from the oxygen are developed, it can be recovered as fuel.
The secret to success is finding the method.

http://www.lanl.gov/orgs/tt/license/...chnology&id=62

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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The hydrogen in water is still hydrogen. If efficient methods to
disassociate it from the oxygen are developed, it can be recovered as
fuel. The secret to success is finding the method.

http://www.lanl.gov/orgs/tt/license/...chnology&id=62

Eisboch


For those interested in such things, here's another more practical
explanation of how hydrogen derived from water can be used, among other
things....

http://hypography.com/forums/science-projects-and-homework/895-new-way-extracting-hydrogen-water-great.html


Eisboch

On Sat, 2 May 2009 15:48:04 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Sat, 2 May 2009 10:36:30 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Plenty of hydrogen in water.

It may take a few more years to perfect, but I think it has real promise.
So does the

Water is burnt hydrogen. You can burn ten pounds of coal in a
efficient power plant and make a pound of hydrogen from the juice, and
water. It is nuts to make it from oil or natural gas. The hydro is in
use and there are no more good dam sites. In Iowa wind is supplying 5%
of the juice and they make most of the hardware right here. Hydrogen
is more promising than batteries, but what is going to actually
happen, is gasoline made from coal.

Casady


The hydrogen in water is still hydrogen. If efficient methods to
disassociate it from the oxygen are developed, it can be recovered as fuel.
The secret to success is finding the method.

You cannot repeal the law of conservation of energy. And all the
methods for making hydrogen were discovered more than a century ago.
There is no magic. hydrogen is only really good if electricity is
free. Gasoline is about fifteen times as dense as liquid hydrogen, and
that is without allowing for the bulk of the insulation. In compressed
form you can carry a couple of pounds in a 360 cu ft cylinder, such as
the standard size one used for oxygen by welders.

From an energy efficiency standpoint, making hydrogen from water is a
non starter. You can't make coal from carbon dioxide either.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:
On Sat, 2 May 2009 15:48:04 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Sat, 2 May 2009 10:36:30 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Plenty of hydrogen in water.

It may take a few more years to perfect, but I think it has real promise.
So does the
Water is burnt hydrogen. You can burn ten pounds of coal in a
efficient power plant and make a pound of hydrogen from the juice, and
water. It is nuts to make it from oil or natural gas. The hydro is in
use and there are no more good dam sites. In Iowa wind is supplying 5%
of the juice and they make most of the hardware right here. Hydrogen
is more promising than batteries, but what is going to actually
happen, is gasoline made from coal.

Casady

The hydrogen in water is still hydrogen. If efficient methods to
disassociate it from the oxygen are developed, it can be recovered as fuel.
The secret to success is finding the method.

You cannot repeal the law of conservation of energy. And all the
methods for making hydrogen were discovered more than a century ago.
There is no magic. hydrogen is only really good if electricity is
free. Gasoline is about fifteen times as dense as liquid hydrogen, and
that is without allowing for the bulk of the insulation. In compressed
form you can carry a couple of pounds in a 360 cu ft cylinder, such as
the standard size one used for oxygen by welders.

From an energy efficiency standpoint, making hydrogen from water is a
non starter. You can't make coal from carbon dioxide either.

Casady

But this is a time of change and obama can do anything he wants. Pelosi,
obama and the other democrats can pass laws to change anything, and if
laws will not work they can throw a couple of trillion dollar to make it
happen.