On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 00:59:45 -0700, jps wrote:

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 03:06:40 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:


"jps" wrote in message
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Why should the suits on Wall Street get bailed out and the auto
industry allowed to wither? They were both irresponsible and short
sighted and we depend on both industries to create our consumer
economy.


It doesn't seem fair, but it's necessary. A total collapse of Wall Street
and the banking/financial sector would present a much bigger problem than
the collapse or bankruptcy of GM.

Yes, both industries were irresponsible and short sighted, but we need to
focus on the dog, not the tail. It would be nice if we could afford to fix
everything, but we can't.

To an idealistic thinking person like you it doesn't seem right, but the
reality is that the financial community needs to be stabilized to prevent a
massive, deep depression. Hurtful as it may be, we can survive without a
GM or Chrysler in their current configurations.

Eisboch

Understood but the number of lost jobs, health care, pensions, etc.
will trickle to tens of thosands of others and affect the economy in
it's own way.

It's not just a matter of fair, it's a matter of supporting the
economic engine that drives our country. The auto industry supports a
whole lot of folks.

Sorry, one too many it's. Change one of them to its and all will be
fine.

On Apr 15, 9:03*pm, "Canuck57" wrote:
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On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....
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But grossly too expensive. *Shut them down.

Jealous?

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
news

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Chrysler is as good as gone. CAW/UAW are taking a stand with not enough
meaningful concessions and wasting time. Fiat would be better off to
import and start intrinsic growth and forget Chrysler. And then there are
suppliers... Cerberus no doubt wants some cash too.... Chrysler is a deer
looking at a train and on the tracks... 14 days left.


Fiat wants to re-introduce their cars in the US which is really the only
reason for getting a piece of Chrysler. Gives them an instant dealership
base.

Eisboch

"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....


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You spinmiesters crack me up. Go read the announcement by Fiat.
It specifically states that they want the UAW and CAW to get in line with
the pay and benefit packages typical of Toyota and Honda. It also
states that the strongest opposition to the Fiat requirements are coming
from the CAW. So far, the CAW won't budge. Pretty soon they will be out
of a job.

Eisboch

Chrysler doesn't pay it's tax bills either. They owe Canada $500,000 from
2002 or something like that. Real welchers. Shut them down, we don't
need that kind of leach business model in Canada. Plus, from what friends
tell me they still don't know how to make a automatic transmission. Ya, I
bought 2 in the past and learned the hard way.

May tag says what I think of GM & Chrysler.

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GM, GMAC, Carlyle, Chrysler-Cerberus, CAW-UAW, get your
selfish greedy hands out of our pockets!
We don't steal from you!
Why do you steal from us?


Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by the
dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be replaced
before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.

On Apr 16, 3:51*pm, "Don White" wrote:
"Canuck57" wrote in message

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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....

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You spinmiesters crack me up. * *Go read the announcement by Fiat.
It specifically states that they want the UAW and CAW to get in line with
the pay and benefit packages typical of Toyota and Honda. * It also
states that the strongest opposition to the *Fiat requirements are coming
from the CAW. *So far, the CAW won't budge. *Pretty soon they will be out
of a job.

Eisboch

Chrysler doesn't pay it's tax bills either. *They owe Canada $500,000 from
2002 or something like that. *Real welchers. *Shut them down, we don't
need that kind of leach business model in Canada. *Plus, from what friends
tell me they still don't know how to make a automatic transmission. *Ya, I
bought 2 in the past and learned the hard way.

May tag says what I think of GM & Chrysler.

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GM, GMAC, Carlyle, Chrysler-Cerberus, CAW-UAW, get your
*selfish greedy hands out of our pockets!
* * * * We don't steal from you!
* * * Why do you steal from us?

Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by the
dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be replaced
before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.- Hide quoted text -

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I thought that was your son's car now? Oh, that's right, you still
have to do everything for him. Fetch his beer, give him a free place
to lay around, give him a car...... Was he too drunk to go get it
inspected himself, or was it that he just didn't feel like it?

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:51:26 -0300, "Don White"
wrote:


"Canuck57" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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On Apr 15, 8:11 am, "Eisboch" wrote:
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

They've threatened to pull out of Canada if they don't " get what they
want".Fiat has most likely looked at the Management (as ****ty as it
is ) and are nervous. The CAW has said if that happens, they'll never
sell another car in Canada.
Besides, the Canadian employees do more work, with less injury....


---------------------------

You spinmiesters crack me up. Go read the announcement by Fiat.
It specifically states that they want the UAW and CAW to get in line with
the pay and benefit packages typical of Toyota and Honda. It also
states that the strongest opposition to the Fiat requirements are coming
from the CAW. So far, the CAW won't budge. Pretty soon they will be out
of a job.

Eisboch

Chrysler doesn't pay it's tax bills either. They owe Canada $500,000 from
2002 or something like that. Real welchers. Shut them down, we don't
need that kind of leach business model in Canada. Plus, from what friends
tell me they still don't know how to make a automatic transmission. Ya, I
bought 2 in the past and learned the hard way.

May tag says what I think of GM & Chrysler.

_
/'_/)
,/_ /
/ /
/'_'/' '/'__'7,
/'/ / / /" /_\
('( ' /' ')
\ /
'\' _.7'
\ (
\ \
GM, GMAC, Carlyle, Chrysler-Cerberus, CAW-UAW, get your
selfish greedy hands out of our pockets!
We don't steal from you!
Why do you steal from us?


Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by the
dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be replaced
before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.

Sounds like a local dealer hitting up the factory for unneccesary
repairs in lean times.

"Don White" wrote in message
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Just had a yearly safety inspection done on the 2007 Dodge Charger by the
dealer where we bought it.
They claimed the outer tie rod ends were wore out and had to be replaced
before passing the inspection.
This is at 66,000 kilometers...about 40 k miles.


I may be mistaken, but I think your '07 Charger has front end components
that are shared with some Mercedes models. Sounds a little fishy to me.
Must have been a rough 40k miles.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news

You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Chrysler is as good as gone. CAW/UAW are taking a stand with not
enough meaningful concessions and wasting time. Fiat would be better
off to import and start intrinsic growth and forget Chrysler. And
then there are suppliers... Cerberus no doubt wants some cash too....
Chrysler is a deer looking at a train and on the tracks... 14 days left.


Fiat wants to re-introduce their cars in the US which is really the only
reason for getting a piece of Chrysler. Gives them an instant
dealership base.

In three weeks all of the Chrysler dealerships will be used car lots.

BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Chrysler is as good as gone. CAW/UAW are taking a stand with not
enough meaningful concessions and wasting time. Fiat would be better
off to import and start intrinsic growth and forget Chrysler. And
then there are suppliers... Cerberus no doubt wants some cash
too.... Chrysler is a deer looking at a train and on the tracks...
14 days left.


Fiat wants to re-introduce their cars in the US which is really the
only reason for getting a piece of Chrysler. Gives them an instant
dealership base.

In three weeks all of the Chrysler dealerships will be used car lots.


One can hope for some nice juicy layoffs at your place of work that
include you. The experience will do you good, as will a spate of
long-term unemployment. You might emerge as a human being.

On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:56:11 -0400, HK wrote:

BAR wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"Canuck57" wrote in message
...

"Eisboch" wrote in message
news
You know they are in trouble when Fiat is getting cold feet about a
merger.

Another one about to bite the dust.

Eisboch

Chrysler is as good as gone. CAW/UAW are taking a stand with not
enough meaningful concessions and wasting time. Fiat would be better
off to import and start intrinsic growth and forget Chrysler. And
then there are suppliers... Cerberus no doubt wants some cash
too.... Chrysler is a deer looking at a train and on the tracks...
14 days left.


Fiat wants to re-introduce their cars in the US which is really the
only reason for getting a piece of Chrysler. Gives them an instant
dealership base.

In three weeks all of the Chrysler dealerships will be used car lots.


One can hope for some nice juicy layoffs at your place of work that
include you. The experience will do you good, as will a spate of
long-term unemployment. You might emerge as a human being.

Uh oh. Is bar in the auto industry?