jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:05:07 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:24:12 -0400, John H
wrote:

Why the big difference? Some great pictures. Be sure to scroll down
the page. Oh, and some good questions also.

http://tinyurl.com/boebj5
There is another perspective to this. The difference between city
people and country people. The black folks who lived out in the bayou
didn't riot, panic or complain about FEMA either.
I really believe a hurricane hitting ANY big city will be a disaster
of apocalyptic proportions. New York City leaps to mind.
Country people do tend to be a lot more self reliant, no matter how
much melanin they have in their skin..

But not exclusive to the country. There are a percentage of those who
live in the city who can take care of their own, and not because they
grew up in the country.

I does take a different set of skills to thrive in the city but it
doesn't mean that you cannot also be skilled at crafts.


*Interesting* that you use the word crafts, since it is also the word
many top-end construction trades use to describe their skill sets. The
etymology for that comes out of the craft guilds of the Middle Ages, as
does the word journeyman, which in those days was a young man who
completed an apprenticeship and set off, literally, on a journey through
his parts of Europe to pick up even more skills from craftworkers in
other cities.


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On Apr 14, 6:28*am, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:05:07 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:24:12 -0400, John H
wrote:

Why the big difference? Some great pictures. Be sure to scroll down
the page. Oh, and some good questions also.

http://tinyurl.com/boebj5
There is another perspective to this. The difference between city
people and country people. The black folks who lived out in the bayou
didn't riot, panic or complain about *FEMA either.
I really believe a hurricane hitting ANY big city will be a disaster
of apocalyptic proportions. New York City leaps to mind.
Country people do tend to be a lot more self reliant, no matter how
much melanin they have in their skin..

But not exclusive to the country. *There are a percentage of those who
live in the city who can take care of their own, and not because they
grew up in the country.

I does take a different set of skills to thrive in the city but it
doesn't mean that you cannot also be skilled at crafts.

*Interesting* that you use the word crafts, since it is also the word
many top-end construction trades use to describe their skill sets. The
etymology for that comes out of the craft guilds of the Middle Ages, as
does the word journeyman, which in those days was a young man who
completed an apprenticeship and set off, literally, on a journey through
his parts of Europe to pick up even more skills from craftworkers in
other cities.

Bull****. I've been in the construction industry all of my life. I'm
not sure if I ever heard anyone use the word "craft". They MAY once in
a great while, use the word "craftsman" when describing someone who's
done an excellent job.
This lie rates rate up there with the whopper you told about an outfit
site building a spiral staircase, including bending the rails! Nothing
short of a lie. Anything that can be fabricated in shop is done so to
save money. We even try to design things to do most of the welding in
shop.

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:28:18 -0400, HK wrote:

jps wrote:
On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:05:07 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:24:12 -0400, John H
wrote:

Why the big difference? Some great pictures. Be sure to scroll down
the page. Oh, and some good questions also.

http://tinyurl.com/boebj5
There is another perspective to this. The difference between city
people and country people. The black folks who lived out in the bayou
didn't riot, panic or complain about FEMA either.
I really believe a hurricane hitting ANY big city will be a disaster
of apocalyptic proportions. New York City leaps to mind.
Country people do tend to be a lot more self reliant, no matter how
much melanin they have in their skin..

But not exclusive to the country. There are a percentage of those who
live in the city who can take care of their own, and not because they
grew up in the country.

I does take a different set of skills to thrive in the city but it
doesn't mean that you cannot also be skilled at crafts.


*Interesting* that you use the word crafts, since it is also the word
many top-end construction trades use to describe their skill sets. The
etymology for that comes out of the craft guilds of the Middle Ages, as
does the word journeyman, which in those days was a young man who
completed an apprenticeship and set off, literally, on a journey through
his parts of Europe to pick up even more skills from craftworkers in
other cities.

Mr. Netweaver understands what "craft" is, he just doesn't like my
politics and wanted to affix a "light on the feet" attribution to me.

Crafts are what's disappearing in America and it's a sad state of
affairs. Even when I turned wrenches as a kid, there were those who
truly understood a mechanism and those who replaced parts. The ratio
is going the wrong direction.

I'm truly in bliss when fashioning something out of scrap materials to
solve a problem.

jps wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:28:18 -0400, HK wrote:


*Interesting* that you use the word crafts, since it is also the word
many top-end construction trades use to describe their skill sets. The
etymology for that comes out of the craft guilds of the Middle Ages, as
does the word journeyman, which in those days was a young man who
completed an apprenticeship and set off, literally, on a journey through
his parts of Europe to pick up even more skills from craftworkers in
other cities.

Mr. Netweaver understands what "craft" is, he just doesn't like my
politics and wanted to affix a "light on the feet" attribution to me.

Crafts are what's disappearing in America and it's a sad state of
affairs. Even when I turned wrenches as a kid, there were those who
truly understood a mechanism and those who replaced parts. The ratio
is going the wrong direction.

I'm truly in bliss when fashioning something out of scrap materials to
solve a problem.


Several of the high-skill construction unions sponsor annual craft
awards programs each year at the local and international level, and one
such union actually changed its name some years ago to incorporate the
term "craftworkers" I've been to a couple of "craftworker" expositions
and fairs, either held as separate events or incorporated into other
expositions. Recognition of the "craft" is important to workers with
finely honed skillsets.



Looking for a right-wing racist? Here's one:
--
"John H" wrote in message
...

Please note that Interstate 90 will be closed this weekend across
South Dakota. This closure will allow the Federal Government free
access to haul a 200 ton piece of coal to Mt. Rushmore so that
President Obama can be added to the Presidents on the monument.
--
John H

--

John Herring, rec.boat's resident racist.

On Apr 14, 1:48*pm, HK wrote:
jps wrote:
On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:28:18 -0400, HK wrote:

*Interesting* that you use the word crafts, since it is also the word
many top-end construction trades use to describe their skill sets. The
etymology for that comes out of the craft guilds of the Middle Ages, as
does the word journeyman, which in those days was a young man who
completed an apprenticeship and set off, literally, on a journey through
his parts of Europe to pick up even more skills from craftworkers in
other cities.

Mr. Netweaver understands what "craft" is, he just doesn't like my
politics and wanted to affix a "light on the feet" attribution to me.

Crafts are what's disappearing in America and it's a sad state of
affairs. *Even when I turned wrenches as a kid, there were those who
truly understood a mechanism and those who replaced parts. *The ratio
is going the wrong direction.

I'm truly in bliss when fashioning something out of scrap materials to
solve a problem.

Several of the high-skill construction unions sponsor annual craft
awards programs each year at the local and international level, and one
such union actually changed its name some years ago to incorporate the
term "craftworkers" I've been to a couple of "craftworker" expositions
and fairs, either held as separate events or incorporated into other
expositions. Recognition of the "craft" is important to workers with
finely honed skillsets.


Bull****. Show us, liar. Any skilled tradesman I know would kick your
ass for calling him a "craftworker".

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:48:17 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:24:32 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:05:07 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:24:12 -0400, John H
wrote:

Why the big difference? Some great pictures. Be sure to scroll down
the page. Oh, and some good questions also.

http://tinyurl.com/boebj5

There is another perspective to this. The difference between city
people and country people. The black folks who lived out in the bayou
didn't riot, panic or complain about FEMA either.
I really believe a hurricane hitting ANY big city will be a disaster
of apocalyptic proportions. New York City leaps to mind.
Country people do tend to be a lot more self reliant, no matter how
much melanin they have in their skin..

But not exclusive to the country. There are a percentage of those who
live in the city who can take care of their own, and not because they
grew up in the country.

I does take a different set of skills to thrive in the city but it
doesn't mean that you cannot also be skilled at crafts.

People in cities will still have the problem of not having the tools
and resources. They are more dependent on municipal services and the
population density makes a local problem far more serious. If nothing
else you have a lot of people trying to stand on the same point of
high ground.
Just one small case that is on point, few city folks own a boat, at
least one they can easily get to. In my neighborhood of about 90
doors, we had 81 boats (ranging from Jet skis and jon boats to 30+
foot offshore boats) the last time I did a count.

Seattle's per capita boat ownership is very high -- part of the local
culture, heritage and given the regional surroundings but fuel prices
and the economy have certainly taken a toll.

Lots of folks here, while urbanites, take pride in looking after their
own property. Probably less so within city limits than the
surrounding areas. Over the years I've invested in a serious table
saw, band saw, portable planer, a couple of routers and table, several
circular saws, grinders, reciprocal saw, a siding sander, jig saw,
polisher for fiberglass, several drills and drivers, a compressor, air
tools and nailers and a top and bottom roll away and large pegboard
full of mechanical and woodworking hand tools. I see people at the
local hardware stores making similar investments although the tools at
the big box Lowes and Home Depot are always looking to be built
cheaper. I buy old, well built stuff off of craigslist more than new.
I turned wrenches for a while as a kid in Los Angeles so I got to know
the inside of the Snap On truck pretty well. They got a good
percentage of my paycheck.

Always did my own maintenance and upgrades on the boat. That's part
of the bliss of boat ownership from my perspective. Cruising is just
working on your boat in exotic places.

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 10:26:51 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:34:24 -0700, jps wrote:

On Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:48:17 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:24:32 -0700, jps wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 22:05:07 -0500, wrote:

On Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:24:12 -0400, John H
wrote:

Why the big difference? Some great pictures. Be sure to scroll down
the page. Oh, and some good questions also.

http://tinyurl.com/boebj5

There is another perspective to this. The difference between city
people and country people. The black folks who lived out in the bayou
didn't riot, panic or complain about FEMA either.
I really believe a hurricane hitting ANY big city will be a disaster
of apocalyptic proportions. New York City leaps to mind.
Country people do tend to be a lot more self reliant, no matter how
much melanin they have in their skin..

But not exclusive to the country. There are a percentage of those who
live in the city who can take care of their own, and not because they
grew up in the country.

I does take a different set of skills to thrive in the city but it
doesn't mean that you cannot also be skilled at crafts.

People in cities will still have the problem of not having the tools
and resources. They are more dependent on municipal services and the
population density makes a local problem far more serious. If nothing
else you have a lot of people trying to stand on the same point of
high ground.
Just one small case that is on point, few city folks own a boat, at
least one they can easily get to. In my neighborhood of about 90
doors, we had 81 boats (ranging from Jet skis and jon boats to 30+
foot offshore boats) the last time I did a count.

Seattle's per capita boat ownership is very high -- part of the local
culture, heritage and given the regional surroundings but fuel prices
and the economy have certainly taken a toll.

Lots of folks here, while urbanites, take pride in looking after their
own property. Probably less so within city limits than the
surrounding areas. Over the years I've invested in a serious table
saw, band saw, portable planer, a couple of routers and table, several
circular saws, grinders, reciprocal saw, a siding sander, jig saw,
polisher for fiberglass, several drills and drivers, a compressor, air
tools and nailers and a top and bottom roll away and large pegboard
full of mechanical and woodworking hand tools. I see people at the
local hardware stores making similar investments although the tools at
the big box Lowes and Home Depot are always looking to be built
cheaper. I buy old, well built stuff off of craigslist more than new.
I turned wrenches for a while as a kid in Los Angeles so I got to know
the inside of the Snap On truck pretty well. They got a good
percentage of my paycheck.

Always did my own maintenance and upgrades on the boat. That's part
of the bliss of boat ownership from my perspective. Cruising is just
working on your boat in exotic places.

I suspect you are talking about the suburbs of Seattle, not the folks
in multifamily dwellings downtown.

I'm 5 minutes from downtown and there are no multifamily dwellings
downtown. Downtown dwellings are mostly for the wealthy and singles.