On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:32:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 11, 11:14*am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:57*am, John H wrote:



On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:23:34 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Now they have attacked a US owned tug that was towing a barge or something.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/..._af/piracy_152

Eisboch

I cannot understand why these ships don't have .50 cals on the bow and
stern. The damn things will reach out and touch someone a mile away.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not." *
Thomas Jefferson

I keep hearing that armed ships are not allowed in some ports.. Seems
those ports should be empty for a while till they change their
attitudes... Another solution might be for these companies to hire a
couple of BlackWater types for each vessel. If a certain port wanted
to keep arms out, evacuate the BW guys just outside the ports
"security zone" and let the port security take the ship in... When the
ship leaves the security zone, have the BW guys placed back on board..
Just a thought...

I have also considered the cost and logistics, weather, port security,
etc... I know this would not be easy...

i was thinking the same thing. Have an armed security boat out in
Int'l waters, When the cargo ship gets out in the clear zone, then
security forces would load up on the vessel. And before it reached
it's POD, and while still out in Itn'l water another security boat
picks up the security forces and arms and the ship sails into it's
port. No defenses going out nor coming in, but in between?

well.....

Another option - an Apache helicopter, or any chopper with a mini-gun.
Then the chopper could leapfrog from ship to ship.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

"John H" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:32:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 11, 11:14 am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:57 am, John H wrote:



On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:23:34 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Now they have attacked a US owned tug that was towing a barge or
something.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/..._af/piracy_152

Eisboch

I cannot understand why these ships don't have .50 cals on the bow and
stern. The damn things will reach out and touch someone a mile away.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

I keep hearing that armed ships are not allowed in some ports.. Seems
those ports should be empty for a while till they change their
attitudes... Another solution might be for these companies to hire a
couple of BlackWater types for each vessel. If a certain port wanted
to keep arms out, evacuate the BW guys just outside the ports
"security zone" and let the port security take the ship in... When the
ship leaves the security zone, have the BW guys placed back on board..
Just a thought...

I have also considered the cost and logistics, weather, port security,
etc... I know this would not be easy...

i was thinking the same thing. Have an armed security boat out in
Int'l waters, When the cargo ship gets out in the clear zone, then
security forces would load up on the vessel. And before it reached
it's POD, and while still out in Itn'l water another security boat
picks up the security forces and arms and the ship sails into it's
port. No defenses going out nor coming in, but in between?

well.....

Another option - an Apache helicopter, or any chopper with a mini-gun.
Then the chopper could leapfrog from ship to ship.

Or a training game for the US navy. Fly supersonic in a F18 about 80 feet
above them in a tag and run. Probably make them deaf but so what. No shots
fired, no UN BS to worry about.

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:42:30 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:32:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 11, 11:14 am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:57 am, John H wrote:



On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:23:34 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Now they have attacked a US owned tug that was towing a barge or
something.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/..._af/piracy_152

Eisboch

I cannot understand why these ships don't have .50 cals on the bow and
stern. The damn things will reach out and touch someone a mile away.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

I keep hearing that armed ships are not allowed in some ports.. Seems
those ports should be empty for a while till they change their
attitudes... Another solution might be for these companies to hire a
couple of BlackWater types for each vessel. If a certain port wanted
to keep arms out, evacuate the BW guys just outside the ports
"security zone" and let the port security take the ship in... When the
ship leaves the security zone, have the BW guys placed back on board..
Just a thought...

I have also considered the cost and logistics, weather, port security,
etc... I know this would not be easy...

i was thinking the same thing. Have an armed security boat out in
Int'l waters, When the cargo ship gets out in the clear zone, then
security forces would load up on the vessel. And before it reached
it's POD, and while still out in Itn'l water another security boat
picks up the security forces and arms and the ship sails into it's
port. No defenses going out nor coming in, but in between?

well.....

Another option - an Apache helicopter, or any chopper with a mini-gun.
Then the chopper could leapfrog from ship to ship.

Or a training game for the US navy. Fly supersonic in a F18 about 80 feet
above them in a tag and run. Probably make them deaf but so what. No shots
fired, no UN BS to worry about.


Well, that would get pretty costly pretty quickly, especially with a
Hornet. That thing is a gas hog. The F-14 would be more economical,
but still costly as hell. I really think this would do the job, and
they're pretty cheap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Machine_gun_M2_1.jpg
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

"John H" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:42:30 -0600, "Canuck57"
wrote:


"John H" wrote in message
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:32:22 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

On Apr 11, 11:14 am, wrote:
On Apr 11, 11:57 am, John H wrote:



On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:23:34 -0400, "Eisboch"
wrote:

Now they have attacked a US owned tug that was towing a barge or
something.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/..._af/piracy_152

Eisboch

I cannot understand why these ships don't have .50 cals on the bow
and
stern. The damn things will reach out and touch someone a mile away.
--
John H

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those
who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Thomas Jefferson

I keep hearing that armed ships are not allowed in some ports.. Seems
those ports should be empty for a while till they change their
attitudes... Another solution might be for these companies to hire a
couple of BlackWater types for each vessel. If a certain port wanted
to keep arms out, evacuate the BW guys just outside the ports
"security zone" and let the port security take the ship in... When the
ship leaves the security zone, have the BW guys placed back on board..
Just a thought...

I have also considered the cost and logistics, weather, port security,
etc... I know this would not be easy...

i was thinking the same thing. Have an armed security boat out in
Int'l waters, When the cargo ship gets out in the clear zone, then
security forces would load up on the vessel. And before it reached
it's POD, and while still out in Itn'l water another security boat
picks up the security forces and arms and the ship sails into it's
port. No defenses going out nor coming in, but in between?

well.....

Another option - an Apache helicopter, or any chopper with a mini-gun.
Then the chopper could leapfrog from ship to ship.

Or a training game for the US navy. Fly supersonic in a F18 about 80 feet
above them in a tag and run. Probably make them deaf but so what. No
shots
fired, no UN BS to worry about.


Well, that would get pretty costly pretty quickly, especially with a
Hornet. That thing is a gas hog. The F-14 would be more economical,
but still costly as hell. I really think this would do the job, and
they're pretty cheap.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Machine_gun_M2_1.jpg
--
John H

Agreed, that would work great. Maybe the real answer is for the shipping
insurance companies to mark the entire coastal area out to 600km as
uninsurable unless armed with 4-8 of these on each ship with ex-marines and
the like.

Since ports don't allow armed ships, don't dock there. When they starve
long enough they will change the rules.