Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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Alternately, we could give our mighty military forces and the mighty
military forces of other interested countries something useful to do
for a change. A few carriers and protective ships in the area,
helped by satellites and flyovers from carrier jets and prop planes,
would do it. We can easily keep track of the merchant vessels, and
we can in real time keep track of suspicious activities by the dinky
boats and ships the pirates operate.


Not enough ships for too big of an ocean. Fast as they may be, they
couldn't respond to a boarding 200 miles away in time to prevent it,
even at 30-35 kts. Maybe they all need to be retrofitted with a
bank of Etecs on their transoms to get there faster.

Eisboch

Eisboch


Or eTec launchers, to toss all the dead eTechs at the pirate boats.

A U.S. and other nation carrier, stationed strategically, could easily
be the mainstay of a force designed to keep the waters clear of pirates.
Remember, satellite technology makes it possible to track these pirate
craft from the moment they leave port.

Lots of small patrol craft are the real answer, all hooked up in a
communications network, with fighter jet backup. Do it the right way,
and no bitty pirate boats are going to be able to get close to the
freighters.





Catching these guys at sea is like trying to capture a bunch of bees
that have left their nest.
Better to destroy the nest.

The problem with your idea is that as soon as you relax a bit, they will
be back. It would require constant, endless surveillance to control
it. (it's been going on for many, many years).

Better to fix the problem than the symptoms.

Eisboch


A. They have several nests.
B. Destroying the nests would mean destroying the ports in a starving
nation.
C. Interdicting the pirates for a considerable period of time would give
our Navy something useful to do.
D. We supposedly are doing constant, endless surveillance in a number of
areas in the world, with huge flotillas. Most of what I envision could
be done with one U.S. carrier task force and a carrier or two from
another friendly nation, plus lots of small patrol boats and satellite
surveilliance.
E. Really fixing the problem would require rebuilding Somalia.

We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way.










--
Palin & Bachmann in 2012 -
All Stupidity All the Time

On Apr 10, 11:29*am, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
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Alternately, we could give our mighty military forces and the mighty
military forces of other interested countries something useful to do
for a change. A few carriers and protective ships in the area,
helped by satellites and flyovers from carrier jets and prop planes,
would do it. We can easily keep track of the merchant vessels, and
we can in real time keep track of suspicious activities by the dinky
boats and ships the pirates operate.

Not enough ships for too big of an ocean. *Fast as they may be, they
couldn't respond to a boarding 200 miles away in time to prevent it,
even at 30-35 kts. * Maybe they all need to be retrofitted with a
bank of Etecs on their transoms to get there faster.

Eisboch

Eisboch

Or eTec launchers, to toss all the dead eTechs at the pirate boats.

A U.S. and other nation carrier, stationed strategically, could easily
be the mainstay of a force designed to keep the waters clear of pirates.
Remember, satellite technology makes it possible to track these pirate
craft from the moment they leave port.

Lots of small patrol craft are the real answer, all hooked up in a
communications network, with fighter jet backup. Do it the right way,
and no bitty pirate boats are going to be able to get close to the
freighters.

Catching these guys at sea is like trying to capture a bunch of bees
that have left their nest.
Better to destroy the nest.

The problem with your idea is that as soon as you relax a bit, they will
be back. *It would require constant, endless surveillance to control
it. *(it's been going on for many, many years).

Better to fix the problem than the symptoms.

Eisboch

A. They have several nests.
B. Destroying the nests would mean destroying the ports in a starving
nation.
C. Interdicting the pirates for a considerable period of time would give
our Navy something useful to do.

More of your useless babble..

D. We supposedly are doing constant, endless surveillance in a number of
areas in the world, with huge flotillas. Most of what I envision could
be done with one U.S. carrier task force and a carrier or two from
another friendly nation,

That's because you really don't have a clue beyond your own trolling
agenda...

plus lots of small patrol boats and satellite
surveilliance.

Again, what are we looking for, are we going to attack every small
armed ship? What if they are only fishermen trying to protect
themselves?

E. Really fixing the problem would require rebuilding Somalia.

You mean "nation building"? Talk about a double standard...


We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way..

Wow, one carrier group. Hardly enough area covered to do any good...
But of course, facts don't really mean much to you anyway

--
Palin & Bachmann in 2012 -
Bring integerity back to the Whitehouse


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plus lots of small patrol boats and satellite
surveilliance.

Again, what are we looking for, are we going to attack every small
armed ship? What if they are only fishermen trying to protect
themselves?
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The only half baked excuse to not chase them down like dogs yet. But by the
same token, should we not jail any criminal because one might be innocent?

I would be creative, drop fliers from a plane outlining the forbidden areas
right over the fishing areas and if they are in the forbidden areas down
they go, fish food.

"HK" wrote in message
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We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way.


The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. Granted, a
small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a
huge area. A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of
which is a tanker/supply ship. There's usually a cruiser and a couple of
destroyers or frigates and a sub. The role of the frigates and destroyers
are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around
by themselves.

Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol".
Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type,
name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships,
but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not
thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a
visual look-see. Which ones are the pirates?

Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice.

Eisboch

On Apr 10, 11:55*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

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We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way.

The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a
small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a
huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of
which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of
destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers
are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around
by themselves.

Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol".
Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type,
name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships,
but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not
thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a
visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates?

Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice.

Eisboch

It seems far fetched that our friend WAFA didn't understand that. It
amazes me how uninformed weather deliberately or not, he is. If you
listend to him you would think all it would take would be to unionize
the military and all of our problems would be solved snerk

On Apr 10, 11:59*am, wrote:
On Apr 10, 11:55*am, "Eisboch" wrote:





"HK" wrote in message

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We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way.

The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a
small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a
huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of
which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of
destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers
are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around
by themselves.

Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol".
Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type,
name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships,
but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not
thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a
visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates?

Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice.

Eisboch

It seems far fetched that our friend WAFA didn't understand that. It
amazes me how uninformed weather deliberately or not, he is. If you
listend to him you would think all it would take would be to unionize
the military and all of our problems would be solved snerk- Hide quoted text -

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Now, you know that Harry is the brightest, best educated person there
is, just ask him. You also know that Harry gets briefed by top level
CIA intel daily. Ask him!

On Apr 10, 10:55*am, "Eisboch" wrote:
"HK" wrote in message

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We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way.

The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a
small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a
huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of
which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of
destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers
are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around
by themselves.

Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol".
Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type,
name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships,
but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not
thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a
visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates?

Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice.

Eisboch

Which ones are the pirates?

The ones armed to the teeth!

On Apr 10, 12:45*pm, Tim wrote:
On Apr 10, 10:55*am, "Eisboch" wrote:





"HK" wrote in message

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We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way.

The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a
small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a
huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of
which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of
destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers
are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around
by themselves.

Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol".
Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type,
name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships,
but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not
thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a
visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates?

Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice.

Eisboch

Which ones are the pirates?

The ones armed to the teeth!- Hide quoted text -

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If you call AK47's armed to the teeth, I guess so.. But then that
makes everyone in that part of the world pirates.. I would guess that
even innocent fisheman carry these dime a dozen weapons...

On Apr 10, 11:49*am, wrote:
On Apr 10, 12:45*pm, Tim wrote:





On Apr 10, 10:55*am, "Eisboch" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message

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We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way.

The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a
small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a
huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of
which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of
destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers
are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around
by themselves.

Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol"..
Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type,
name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships,
but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not
thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a
visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates?

Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice.

Eisboch

Which ones are the pirates?

The ones armed to the teeth!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you call AK47's armed to the teeth, I guess so.. But then that
makes everyone in that part of the world pirates.. I would guess that
even innocent fisheman carry these dime a dozen weapons...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Scott, when I said "armed tot he teeth" I wasn't talking about tinker-
toy pop-gun AK's. I was meaning RPG and various explosive devices.

Do fisherman need to be 400 mi. out in the indian ocean in a 20 ft
open bow with no fishing gear and carying grenade launchers?

I doubt it.

On Apr 10, 2:10*pm, Tim wrote:
On Apr 10, 11:49*am, wrote:





On Apr 10, 12:45*pm, Tim wrote:

On Apr 10, 10:55*am, "Eisboch" wrote:

"HK" wrote in message

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We always have at least one carrier group in the Indian Ocean, by the way.

The Indian Ocean is about 20 million square miles in area. * Granted, a
small portion of the area is subject to prirate attacks, but it's still a
huge area. * A carrier group typically consists of about 5-6 ships, one of
which is a tanker/supply ship. * There's usually a cruiser and a couple of
destroyers or frigates and a sub. * The role of the frigates and destroyers
are primarily to protect the carrier, so they don't go off steaming around
by themselves.

Even with jet fighters and helicopters, that's a big area to "patrol".
Over the horizon radar helps, and we have technology to identify the type,
name and position of an enemy combatant as well as large merchant ships,
but you have to keep in mind that there are literally hundreds if not
thousands of small boats running around that we can't identify without a
visual look-see. * Which ones are the pirates?

Sounds good in theory, but just won't work out very well in practice.

Eisboch

Which ones are the pirates?

The ones armed to the teeth!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you call AK47's armed to the teeth, I guess so.. But then that
makes everyone in that part of the world pirates.. I would guess that
even innocent fisheman carry these dime a dozen weapons...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Scott, when I said "armed tot he teeth" I wasn't talking about tinker-
toy pop-gun AK's. I was meaning RPG and various explosive devices.

Do fisherman need to be 400 mi. out in the indian ocean in a 20 ft
open bow with no fishing gear and carying grenade launchers?

I doubt it.- Hide quoted text -

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Yeah, but bet that if we take out a small vessel armed some 350 miles
out, they will claim they were only fishing... My point is, Harry is
an idiot if he thinks we can just use surveylance and our navy to take
out the pirates... Of course, my other point is Harry is an idiot..