Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch


Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.

"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because the
failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic blowout
and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen tooling down
the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with sidewall
damage.

Eisboch


Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.


~~ Snerk ~~

"Don White" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch


Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.


~~ Snerk ~~


I didn't post what I posted as an insult. It was meant to be informative.
However, some people will take any and every opportunity, I guess.

Eisboch

"Don White" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
m...
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch


Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.


~~ Snerk ~~


There ya go donny, right on cue as usual. Good doggy. Now go off and play...

--Mike

On Mar 25, 3:10*pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
....

I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of the
tire. *The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. * Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. *Tends to send vehicles end over end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

wrote in message
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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
...

I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** **************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare of
others?

On Mar 26, 9:03*am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:





Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
....

I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** ***************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.

wrote in message
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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:





Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
...

I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** ***************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?

D.Duck wrote:
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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:





Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.
-----------------------------------
I'd say you were lucky.
Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.
The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.
Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.
Eisboch
Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.
I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** ***************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?



It does to Loogy...he figures if his sidewall blows out and the
resulting accident ends up killing someone on the sidewalk or in another
car, well, they should have stayed at home, rather than take the risks
of being on the same road as he as.

Loogy is telling the world he is an irresponsible asshole, something, I
am sure, the world around him already knows.

On Mar 26, 11:00*am, HK wrote:
D.Duck wrote:
wrote in message
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On Mar 26, 9:03 am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

....
On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
...
I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.
-----------------------------------
I'd say you were lucky.
Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.
The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of
the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.
Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.
Eisboch
Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.
I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** ****************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that
old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.
-------------------------------------------------------------

The potential tire problems you list are correct, but does it make sense to
exacerbate the problem with a plug or patch in the side wall?

It does to Loogy...he figures if his sidewall blows out and the
resulting accident ends up killing someone on the sidewalk or in another
car, well, they should have stayed at home, rather than take the risks
of being on the same road as he as.

Where did I say that, idiot? Using your idiot blather, one would have
to put a new set of tires on their vehicle every time they left the
driveway. And to think you've tried to tell people here you've got a
mechanical engineering degree!!!! Impossible. You're too scared to
make any mechanical decision.

Loogy is telling the world he is an irresponsible asshole, something, I
am sure, the world around him already knows.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, I'm telling the world that I understand tire makeup. Do you have
any data about catastrophic tire failure? Number one reason,
delamination (seperation). You'd better not drive, because you can't
usually tell that's going to happen until it does.