On Mar 24, 8:48*pm, Tim wrote:
huge front rolling in. It may rain for a couple days... *ugh* just
when it was starting to feel nice, too. Looks like "April showers" are
coming a bit soon.

Oh well.....

Yeah, the weather has been a PITA. I took delivery of our new boat a
little over two week ago, and the weather that day was 86 degrees.
Since then, it's been cool, windy, rainy, or all three. Looked like
this weekend was going to be nice, but now it's forecast to be rainy
and breezy.

Next week is looking up, though!

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:23:45 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:28:54 -0400, HK wrote:

Roofing nail? Whenever I get a flat, the shop usually finds the culprit
to be a roofing nail.

Drywall screws are the usual suspect here. They just seem to be
attracted to tires. I was never sure how they got flipped up and
driven in but when you pull them out they are always perpendicular to
the tread. The fix is usually just shooting in a plug. I know they
have a bad reputation but I have never seen one fail and construction
people get lots of flats. With all the nail guns, there is always
"air" on the job and someone has a tire plug handle in their tool box.

I've had at least one roofing nail, a wood screw and even a couple
small machine thread screws.
Yep, I say every time "How in the hell did that happen"?
Haven't plugged a tire in a long time though, and would take it to a
tire shop now. You need good quality plugs and good glue.

--Vic

"Don White" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

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I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over
end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch


Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.


~~ Snerk ~~


There ya go donny, right on cue as usual. Good doggy. Now go off and play...

--Mike

On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 18:01:30 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

I've had at least one roofing nail, a wood screw and even a couple
small machine thread screws.
Yep, I say every time "How in the hell did that happen"?

I used to go to a tire shop up north that had a jar on the countertop
filled with strange stuff that they had taken out of tires. Most of
it was totally unbelievable. There is something about the dynamic of
a rolling tire that picks things up in a very counterintuitive way.

On Mar 25, 3:10*pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of the
tire. *The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. * Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. *Tends to send vehicles end over end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

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Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:34:23 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

I used to go to a tire shop up north that had a jar on the countertop
filled with strange stuff that they had taken out of tires. Most of
it was totally unbelievable. There is something about the dynamic of
a rolling tire that picks things up in a very counterintuitive way.

I remember when you didn't need to hit anything to have a flat.
Sometimes a chunk the size of your hand would blow out of the tread
with a bang. Driving with both hands on the wheel was popular in those
days. Then they came up with tubeless tires and blowouts didn't happen
any more. So much for the good old days. Tires are much better now.

Casady

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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** **************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare of
others?

On Mar 24, 6:48*pm, Tim wrote:
huge front rolling in. It may rain for a couple days... *ugh* just
when it was starting to feel nice, too. Looks like "April showers" are
coming a bit soon.

Oh well.....

That's strange. The weather radars said there was going to be heavy
rain for the next two days, but it had quit about midnight, and
yesterday was sunny, then coudy and windy, then cleared off in the
evening. Today it's absolutly beautiful outside. No clouds, and no
heavy, lingering jet vapor trails.

odd.

On Mar 26, 10:07*am, Tim wrote:
On Mar 24, 6:48*pm, Tim wrote:

huge front rolling in. It may rain for a couple days... *ugh* just
when it was starting to feel nice, too. Looks like "April showers" are
coming a bit soon.

Oh well.....

That's strange. The weather radars said there was going to be heavy
rain for the next two days, but it had quit about midnight, and
yesterday was sunny, then coudy and windy, then cleared off in the
evening. Today it's absolutly beautiful outside. No clouds, and no
heavy, lingering *jet vapor trails.

odd.

It's raining hard here, going to today, tomorrow and Saturday. Oh, and
Harry will like this, because of recent rains, and the lake being
down, the addition of good aerated water to Lanier has made the water
quality better than it's been in 15 years!!

On Mar 26, 9:03*am, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, HK wrote:





Eisboch wrote:

wrote in message
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I've been plugging my own tires (yes, steel belt radials) since I can
remember. I've NEVER had one fail. And that myth about not using them
in sidewalls? I had a puncture in the sidewall of my Jeep tire,
plugged it, ran it for 25,000 miles. It never failed, the tire tread
wore out.

-----------------------------------

I'd say you were lucky.

Using a plug in the tread section of a tire is not a big deal because
the failure mode, (if it fails) is typically a slow leak that is
noticeable.

The problem with using them in the sidewall isn't associated with the
plug. It's the risk that the damage to the sidewall of the tire itself
(from the original cut or hole) compromises the sidewall strength of the
tire. The failure mode is likely to be a sudden and catastrophic
blowout and immediate deflation. Not something you want to happen
tooling down the highway at 65 mph. Tends to send vehicles end over end.

Reputable garages will refuse to even attempt to fix a tire with
sidewall damage.

Eisboch

Just about every legit site on auto repair and tire repair tells readers
NOT to plug sidewalls.

I'd nominate Loogy for a Darwin Award, but he'd probably put it on his
mantel and point to it with pride.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Psssst, idiot alert!
I've plugged more tires than you've ever seen.
Also, notice that I said that if I owned and operated a repair shop, I
wouldn't do it. It's a liability issue. I wouldn't plug a tire PERIOD
if I had liability. No matter where, technically a plug is a temporary
fix.

************************************************** ***************************

mmm....... ifyou feel that way..what about your family...driving in that old
Jeep with the sidewall plug.
How about the other innocent motorists you might run into after losing
control of your vehicle during a blowout.
Do you only care for financial liabilities and not the health & welfare of
others?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just like Harry! You'd better get yourself into your hermetically
sealed room so no danger can come about......
What an idiot!
You DO realize that a tire can catastrophically blow because of any
NUMBER of reasons besides a plug or patch, don't you? SO, YOU are
putting your family at risk every time you drive, even if it's a brand
new tire. I've seen it all. Bead rip off of a tire. Hit something like
a the piece of sheet steel I was talking about earlier. Tread
seperation (the LEADING cause of catastrophic tire failure), and on
and on. Therefore, if you drive a vehicle with mass produced tires,
the exact same questions could be asked of YOU.