FS: 1986 Bayliner Trophy w/Trailer $4700.00 OBO in Ohio

Since my new boat is in water and working well, I really need to sell the
Trophy. So in addition to the further drop in price to $4700.00, I am
considering trades for a cruising sailboat, jet boat, or a truck or SUV
with towing capabilities. If your looking for an affordable, sturdy entry
level boat for fishing or cruising, you owe it to yourself to check this boat
out!

Except for her low top speed, she really is a great all around boat.
In fact, I spent alot of time looking for a trophy, 2160, 2460, or 2860
with more power, for serious cruising, that's how much I appreciate this
design. She has an outside deck much larger than boats in the 21-24 foot
range, while offering the same or better cabin accomodations in cuddy cabin
boats of the same size. She takes to Lake Erie chop quite well, MUCH
better than my 23 foot Chris Craft. She is a fishing boat, so she is built
with all types storage that I use for cruising.


Here are the specs:

Boat Type:* Open Fishing/Cruiser with cuddy cabin* Length:* 20'8"* Beam:
8'* Weight: 3400lbs
Power: 131HP in-line 4cyl I/O: VP275 Cruising speed: 19MPH Top Speed: 24MPH
Sleeps:* Three to Four people in three separate bunks

For more information and pictures go to:

http://www.geocities.com/disenchante...ng/Trophy.html

Interested parties can contact me at my email address:
or via phone at : 216-849-8468. Please leave
a message regarding the boat and an appropriate time for a return call if
I am unavailable. For ANY interested party I will make myself available to
show the boat and am willing to offer a sea trial to serious buyers. Thanks
for your time. For anyone purchasing the boat, I will help in her
winterizing if she is stored in the Cleveland or Sandusky areas.

Bob Dimond

"Bob D." wrote in message
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FS: 1986 Bayliner Trophy w/Trailer $4700.00 OBO in Ohio

Since my new boat is in water and working well, I really need to sell the
Trophy. So in addition to the further drop in price to $4700.00, I am
considering trades for a cruising sailboat, jet boat, or a truck or SUV
with towing capabilities.

If you're looking to make an equal trade, you're not going to get a "truck
or SUV with towing capabilities". In fact, you'll be lucky to get a truck
with starting and running capabilities.


If your looking for an affordable, sturdy entry
level boat for fishing or cruising, you owe it to yourself to check this
boat
out!

Except for her low top speed, she really is a great all around boat.


Most boats in that size range don't plane until 18mph. Your "cruise" speed
is just 1 mph over planing speed? 24 mph top speed for a planing hull
isn't, as you say, a "low top speed"...it's unacceptable for that type boat.


In fact, I spent alot of time looking for a trophy, 2160, 2460, or 2860
with more power, for serious cruising, that's how much I appreciate this
design. She has an outside deck much larger than boats in the 21-24 foot
range, while offering the same or better cabin accomodations in cuddy
cabin
boats of the same size. She takes to Lake Erie chop quite well, MUCH
better than my 23 foot Chris Craft.

The reason it "rides better than your Chris-Craft" is because you're barely
on plane while "cruising" in the Bayliner.

She is a fishing boat, so she is built
with all types storage that I use for cruising.


Here are the specs:

Boat Type: Open Fishing/Cruiser with cuddy cabin Length: 20'8" Beam:
8' Weight: 3400lbs
Power: 131HP in-line 4cyl I/O: VP275 Cruising speed: 19MPH Top Speed:
24MPH
Sleeps: Three to Four people in three separate bunks

For more information and pictures go to:

http://www.geocities.com/disenchante...ng/Trophy.html

Interested parties can contact me at my email address:
or via phone at : 216-849-8468. Please leave
a message regarding the boat and an appropriate time for a return call if
I am unavailable. For ANY interested party I will make myself available to
show the boat and am willing to offer a sea trial to serious buyers.
Thanks
for your time. For anyone purchasing the boat, I will help in her
winterizing if she is stored in the Cleveland or Sandusky areas.

Bob Dimond

"Bob D." wrote in message
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FS: 1986 Bayliner Trophy w/Trailer $4700.00 OBO in Ohio

Since my new boat is in water and working well, I really need to sell the
Trophy. So in addition to the further drop in price to $4700.00, I am
considering trades for a cruising sailboat, jet boat, or a truck or SUV
with towing capabilities.



Boat Type: Open Fishing/Cruiser with cuddy cabin Length: 20'8" Beam:
8' Weight: 3400lbs
Power: 131HP in-line 4cyl I/O: VP275 Cruising speed: 19MPH Top Speed:
24MPH
Sleeps: Three to Four people in three separate bunks

Three to four what? Elves? Amputees?

I doubt this boat sold for $4700 new.


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email sent to will *never* get to me.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
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"Bob D." wrote in message
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FS: 1986 Bayliner Trophy w/Trailer $4700.00 OBO in Ohio

Since my new boat is in water and working well, I really need to sell
the
Trophy. So in addition to the further drop in price to $4700.00, I am
considering trades for a cruising sailboat, jet boat, or a truck or SUV
with towing capabilities.



Boat Type: Open Fishing/Cruiser with cuddy cabin Length: 20'8" Beam:
8' Weight: 3400lbs
Power: 131HP in-line 4cyl I/O: VP275 Cruising speed: 19MPH Top Speed:
24MPH
Sleeps: Three to Four people in three separate bunks

Three to four what? Elves? Amputees?

I doubt this boat sold for $4700 new.

LOL. Damn! I was going to post a humorous slam of his advertisement, but I
decided to keep it somewhat on the straight and narrow. I guess you just
blew *that* out of the water.

NYOB--
Most boats in that size range don't plane until 18mph. Your "cruise" speed
is just 1 mph over planing speed?

df--

I'm new to powerboatinig, so bear with me.

I thought the most efficient speed for a boat was whatever it took to
get on a plane and stay there without excessive trim.

If that's true, isn't cruising speed the same as the most efficient
speed? If not, how else would one determine cruising speed?

The most fuel-efficient speed while on plane.

Most properly powered 20 foot boats plane around 18 mph...but get their best
fuel economy in the mid to high 20's. That Bayliner is running wide open at
only 24mph.



"Dionysus Feldman" wrote in message
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NYOB--
Most boats in that size range don't plane until 18mph. Your "cruise"
speed
is just 1 mph over planing speed?

df--

I'm new to powerboatinig, so bear with me.

I thought the most efficient speed for a boat was whatever it took to
get on a plane and stay there without excessive trim.

If that's true, isn't cruising speed the same as the most efficient
speed? If not, how else would one determine cruising speed?

If you're looking to make an equal trade, you're not going to get a "truck
or SUV with towing capabilities". In fact, you'll be lucky to get a truck
with starting and running capabilities.



I don't know where you hail from, but in Ohio, I can get a mid nineties
truck or SUV for three to four thousand dollars. Not perfect of course,
but suitable for my needs. You comment seems no more than off handed
opinion, mislabled as fact.




Most boats in that size range don't plane until 18mph. Your "cruise" speed
is just 1 mph over planing speed? 24 mph top speed for a planing hull
isn't, as you say, a "low top speed"...it's unacceptable for that type boat.


While what you say is a good rule of thumb for many boats, this boat
planes with tabs at about 16.5 mph. As for what is acceptable for this
boat configuration, I don't kknow. I can't find anyone who will tell me
what speed this boat should be able to attain with the AQ131 Engine. I
find that for the type of cruising I like to do, covering 100 or more
miles a day, it is underpowered, that doesn't mean that the boat is
unsafe, or that someone else cannot enjoy it for what is is, a slow but
stable boat, good for fishing or cruising.


The reason it "rides better than your Chris-Craft" is because you're barely
on plane while "cruising" in the Bayliner.



As for your explanation for why the Bayline rides better, you really need
to preface your comments as opinion, instead of fact. The fact is several
people have been with me on both boats in similar conditions cruisingat
similar speeds. The Bayliner, with its deeper vee rides better period.

You really should consider prefacing your comments.

Bob Dimond

"Bob D." wrote in message
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If you're looking to make an equal trade, you're not going to get a
"truck
or SUV with towing capabilities". In fact, you'll be lucky to get a
truck
with starting and running capabilities.



I don't know where you hail from, but in Ohio, I can get a mid nineties
truck or SUV for three to four thousand dollars. Not perfect of course,
but suitable for my needs. You comment seems no more than off handed
opinion, mislabled as fact.




Most boats in that size range don't plane until 18mph. Your "cruise"
speed
is just 1 mph over planing speed? 24 mph top speed for a planing hull
isn't, as you say, a "low top speed"...it's unacceptable for that type
boat.


While what you say is a good rule of thumb for many boats, this boat
planes with tabs at about 16.5 mph.

"With tabs"...and probably 18mph (or more) without tabs.


As for what is acceptable for this
boat configuration, I don't kknow. I can't find anyone who will tell me
what speed this boat should be able to attain with the AQ131 Engine. I
find that for the type of cruising I like to do, covering 100 or more
miles a day, it is underpowered, that doesn't mean that the boat is
unsafe, or that someone else cannot enjoy it for what is is, a slow but
stable boat, good for fishing or cruising.


The reason it "rides better than your Chris-Craft" is because you're
barely
on plane while "cruising" in the Bayliner.



As for your explanation for why the Bayline rides better, you really need
to preface your comments as opinion, instead of fact. The fact is several
people have been with me on both boats in similar conditions cruisingat
similar speeds.

"Cruising at similar speeds"? I'm sure the "cruise speed" of your
Chris-Craft is 8-10mph faster than your Bayliner. In anything over a 2 foot
chop, 8-10mph makes all the difference in the world in ride comfort.




The Bayliner, with its deeper vee rides better period.

You really should consider prefacing your comments.

Bob Dimond

Most boats in that size range don't plane until 18mph. Your "cruise"
speed
is just 1 mph over planing speed? 24 mph top speed for a planing hull
isn't, as you say, a "low top speed"...it's unacceptable for that type
boat.


While what you say is a good rule of thumb for many boats, this boat
planes with tabs at about 16.5 mph.

"With tabs"...and probably 18mph (or more) without tabs.


So what's you point? The boat still comes on plane at 16.6 MPH.



As for your explanation for why the Bayline rides better, you really need
to preface your comments as opinion, instead of fact. The fact is several
people have been with me on both boats in similar conditions cruisingat
similar speeds.

"Cruising at similar speeds"? I'm sure the "cruise speed" of your
Chris-Craft is 8-10mph faster than your Bayliner. In anything over a 2 foot
chop, 8-10mph makes all the difference in the world in ride comfort.



Perhaps my use (or misuse) of the term "cruising" threw you. Cruising is
this context means to travel, not to travel at "cruising speed". So my
obserfvations are based on the two boats running at similar speeds. Your
right, the Chris-Craft cruising speed is about 8mph faster, but your still
wrong in insisting that the Chris-Craft rides better than the Bayliner.

24MPH
Sleeps: Three to Four people in three separate bunks

Three to four what? Elves? Amputees?

I doubt this boat sold for $4700 new.

LOL. Damn! I was going to post a humorous slam of his advertisement, but I
decided to keep it somewhat on the straight and narrow. I guess you just
blew *that* out of the water.

For those who are offended, my apologies for the following rant:

Rant ON


Harry and company,

Your remarks to my post was amusing, you're quite the witty trolls!
Seriously, while I'm only 5'9" 200lbs, my younger brother is over six foot
and neither of us have had problems sleeping in those bunks. In fact,
2-3 adults, all over 5'8", have slept comfortably on this boat every
summer weekend for the last several years. OF course, if your over 6'5"
and/or morbidly obese, it may be cramped.

So Harry, what are you basing your statement on? Have you slept in a
Trophy 2160? Have you ever been in the cabin of a Trophy 2160? And if
by chance you did actually lay down in a 2160 bunk, because it's too
cramped for you does that mean it's to cramped for anyone? You doubt the
boat sold for $4700.00 new? Maybe your right. Since I'm not the
original owner of the boat, I truly don't know. Can you please help me
and post a book value for a 1986 Trophy 2160 with a Closed cooled Volvo
AQ131, and a LoadMaster trailer, along with where you obtained those
value(s) from? Were you ready to present any facts to base your damaging
comments on, or did you just want to play Zeus, hurling down your
lightning bolts of wit from your virtual Mount Olympus?

I'm not asking you to buy the boat. I'm not asking you to like the
boat. I am trying to sell this boat, hopefully to someone who can
appreciate it as much as I have. I'm not trying to sell it as something
its not. I freely admit that I feel the boat is underpowered for MY
cruising needs. My Asking price is less than I paid several years ago,
and I put alot of time and care into this boat. This ASKING price is WELL
BELOW BUC book value. On top of that, I'm entertaining offers and trades
for someone who wants to buy a relable boat at a fair price. So why
should this advertisement, which is more on topic than 90% of the posts in
this group, draw fire from you or anyone else?

Since you seem to have no personal interest in this boat, and since you
seem to be too busy with being the pillar of wit and wisdom for rec.boats,
to bother with posting facts or relevant information, why don't you, and
others who share your infantile mentality, SHUT YOUR F*CK*NG ARROGANT
HOLES, okay? For once in your pathetic little lives, just give it a try,
and see how it suits you.

You and others of your ilk truly amaze me. A hand full of you have
managed to take a good group, where mariners could exchange stories and
information, and turned it into a rotting pool of ****, where over 90% of
the posts are petty narrow-minded opinions and put downs, which rarely
have anything to do with boating. The people who take pleasure in this
activity of ruining this group for the rest of us should really be ashamed
of themselves.

You toads really need to GET A F*CK*NG LIFE, instead of the "that boats no
good" or "my boat is better than your boat" **** that you so easily fling
with less thought than a monkey throwing their fecal matter at a zoo. Why
don't you trolls take your bull**** to a listserver where you can
subscribe to hear each other beating your chests, and leave the real
boaters in this group to reap the benefit of not having to wade through
your juvenille crap.

Rant OFF

Sincerely,

Bob Dimond