On Jan 29, 6:37*pm, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:37:12 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:





this was brought up by one of the distinguished posters here on
rec.boats, and when I said YES, I was given a "Sure ... snerk"

So I'd like to know, seeing I've got a box with a few pay stubs in it
from being a guest of Uncle Sugar, I'd say that doing military service
IS actually considered as a "job". But now I'm left in confusion
because the distinguished poster I've mentioned seems to be skeptical
of *that claim.

So I present this question to the other distinguished posters on
rec.boats:

"Do you, or do you not, consider service in the US military as being a
"job"?"

What say ye?

It's a difficult answer if only because it is and it isn't.

Routine, like maintaining a radio watch, gate guard, maintenence of
weapons/gear/vehicles - certainly, it's a job. *It's also a way to
gain experience in a particular job or career depending on what the
MOS (or whatever it's called now) if you want to be a mechanic or
electrician or electronics tech of some sort - so it relates directly
to what your eventual career choice may be - which is employment in a
civilian job.

It's a way to serve society as a whole by placing yourself in harms
way to serve the greater good. *It's similar to becoming an LEO, Fire
Fighter or EMT/Paramedic - you never know from one day to the next if
you will be called on to make the ultimate sacrifice in service to
others. *So it's a job with a dangerous component.

Then there is the discipline you gain by having to work with others
and subordinate your own ego and personality to make coordinated
actions with others efficient and effective. *So in that sense it's
not a job, but it relates directly to having a job.

Having said that, there is a sense of duty, honor, loyalty to others
and commitment that isn't directly related to being in a "job". *To
try and pin it to any one singular description is difficult and, to
tell the truth, practically impossible because it combines different
aspects of King, God and Country if you will. *

Eisboch hit the nail on the head when he said that " it was considered
to be a duty for which you happened to get paid." *Can't sum it up any
better than that.

--

"I intend to live forever. So far, so good."

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Do you get to pick where you go and what you do before you enlist or
do you go in knowing you may very well be placed in harms way? I know
the answer for draft dodgers, but how about 18 year old kids that just
sign up???

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:44:37 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

On Jan 29, 6:37*pm, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:37:12 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:





this was brought up by one of the distinguished posters here on
rec.boats, and when I said YES, I was given a "Sure ... snerk"

So I'd like to know, seeing I've got a box with a few pay stubs in it
from being a guest of Uncle Sugar, I'd say that doing military service
IS actually considered as a "job". But now I'm left in confusion
because the distinguished poster I've mentioned seems to be skeptical
of *that claim.

So I present this question to the other distinguished posters on
rec.boats:

"Do you, or do you not, consider service in the US military as being a
"job"?"

What say ye?

It's a difficult answer if only because it is and it isn't.

Routine, like maintaining a radio watch, gate guard, maintenence of
weapons/gear/vehicles - certainly, it's a job. *It's also a way to
gain experience in a particular job or career depending on what the
MOS (or whatever it's called now) if you want to be a mechanic or
electrician or electronics tech of some sort - so it relates directly
to what your eventual career choice may be - which is employment in a
civilian job.

It's a way to serve society as a whole by placing yourself in harms
way to serve the greater good. *It's similar to becoming an LEO, Fire
Fighter or EMT/Paramedic - you never know from one day to the next if
you will be called on to make the ultimate sacrifice in service to
others. *So it's a job with a dangerous component.

Then there is the discipline you gain by having to work with others
and subordinate your own ego and personality to make coordinated
actions with others efficient and effective. *So in that sense it's
not a job, but it relates directly to having a job.

Having said that, there is a sense of duty, honor, loyalty to others
and commitment that isn't directly related to being in a "job". *To
try and pin it to any one singular description is difficult and, to
tell the truth, practically impossible because it combines different
aspects of King, God and Country if you will. *

Eisboch hit the nail on the head when he said that " it was considered
to be a duty for which you happened to get paid." *Can't sum it up any
better than that.

--

"I intend to live forever. So far, so good."

Steven Wright- Hide quoted text -

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Do you get to pick where you go and what you do before you enlist or
do you go in knowing you may very well be placed in harms way? I know
the answer for draft dodgers, but how about 18 year old kids that just
sign up???

In the Army, you often can pick your first duty station. But, there is no
guarantee how long you will remain there. It all depends on what enlistment
incentives are available, and what you choose. These vary by specialty and
by length of enlistment.
--
John H

For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm

* Definition of a teenager?
God's punishment...for enjoying sex. *

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:44:37 -0800 (PST),
wrote:


Do you get to pick where you go and what you do before you enlist or
do you go in knowing you may very well be placed in harms way? I know
the answer for draft dodgers, but how about 18 year old kids that just
sign up???


I don't know about the other services, (or even the modern Navy for that
matter) but when I was in you filled out a "Dreamsheet", which identified
your preferences of duty stations in order by 1st choice, 2nd choice and
maybe a 3rd.

It was called a Dreamsheet for good reason. In the end, you were sent
wherever the Navy had a billet open and requirement for your rate and job
code.

The Navy had a general policy of rotation from sea duty to shore duty, but I
know of many people that spent a full four years at sea (meaning stationed
on a ship and not actually being at sea for four years).

Eisboch

On Jan 29, 5:37*pm, Wizard of Woodstock wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:37:12 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



this was brought up by one of the distinguished posters here on
rec.boats, and when I said YES, I was given a "Sure ... snerk"

So I'd like to know, seeing I've got a box with a few pay stubs in it
from being a guest of Uncle Sugar, I'd say that doing military service
IS actually considered as a "job". But now I'm left in confusion
because the distinguished poster I've mentioned seems to be skeptical
of *that claim.

So I present this question to the other distinguished posters on
rec.boats:

"Do you, or do you not, consider service in the US military as being a
"job"?"

What say ye?

It's a difficult answer if only because it is and it isn't.

Routine, like maintaining a radio watch, gate guard, maintenence of
weapons/gear/vehicles - certainly, it's a job. *It's also a way to
gain experience in a particular job or career depending on what the
MOS (or whatever it's called now) if you want to be a mechanic or
electrician or electronics tech of some sort - so it relates directly
to what your eventual career choice may be - which is employment in a
civilian job.

It's a way to serve society as a whole by placing yourself in harms
way to serve the greater good. *It's similar to becoming an LEO, Fire
Fighter or EMT/Paramedic - you never know from one day to the next if
you will be called on to make the ultimate sacrifice in service to
others. *So it's a job with a dangerous component.

Then there is the discipline you gain by having to work with others
and subordinate your own ego and personality to make coordinated
actions with others efficient and effective. *So in that sense it's
not a job, but it relates directly to having a job.

Having said that, there is a sense of duty, honor, loyalty to others
and commitment that isn't directly related to being in a "job". *To
try and pin it to any one singular description is difficult and, to
tell the truth, practically impossible because it combines different
aspects of King, God and Country if you will. *

Eisboch hit the nail on the head when he said that " it was considered
to be a duty for which you happened to get paid." *Can't sum it up any
better than that.

--

"I intend to live forever. So far, so good."

Steven Wright

I have been enlightened. But I would vent to say that serving in the
military is closer to having a job, than having a "boondoggle"

or that's at least my opinion.

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:37:12 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

this was brought up by one of the distinguished posters here on
rec.boats, and when I said YES, I was given a "Sure ... snerk"

So I'd like to know, seeing I've got a box with a few pay stubs in it
from being a guest of Uncle Sugar, I'd say that doing military service
IS actually considered as a "job". But now I'm left in confusion
because the distinguished poster I've mentioned seems to be skeptical
of that claim.

So I present this question to the other distinguished posters on
rec.boats:

"Do you, or do you not, consider service in the US military as being a
"job"?"

What say ye?

No. You quit a job when you want to.
It's a duty to go in the military, and an obligation to fulfill when
you take the oath.
Doesn't mean it's not "work."
Doesn't mean there's no organized tasks to perform.
But it's not a "job."

--Vic

On Jan 29, 10:28*pm, Vic Smith
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:37:12 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



this was brought up by one of the distinguished posters here on
rec.boats, and when I said YES, I was given a "Sure ... snerk"

So I'd like to know, seeing I've got a box with a few pay stubs in it
from being a guest of Uncle Sugar, I'd say that doing military service
IS actually considered as a "job". But now I'm left in confusion
because the distinguished poster I've mentioned seems to be skeptical
of *that claim.

So I present this question to the other distinguished posters on
rec.boats:

"Do you, or do you not, consider service in the US military as being a
"job"?"

What say ye?

No. *You quit a job when you want to.
It's a duty to go in the military, and an obligation to fulfill when
you take the oath.
Doesn't mean it's not "work."
Doesn't mean there's no organized tasks to perform.
But it's not a "job."

--Vic *


Good point, Vic.

But the original questioning was: "is it a "Job"? or a "Boondoggle?"

I said it was a "job," but another distinguished poster said it was a
"boondoggle"

I'm trying to gather opinions on which would be correct.

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:49:32 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:


Good point, Vic.

But the original questioning was: "is it a "Job"? or a "Boondoggle?"

I said it was a "job," but another distinguished poster said it was a
"boondoggle"

I'm trying to gather opinions on which would be correct.

There's probably as many featherbedders in the military as in the
civilian world.
The difference is the obligation to die when the **** hits the fan.
Apples and oranges.

--Vic

On Jan 29, 11:00*pm, Vic Smith
The difference is the obligation to die when the **** hits the fan.
Apples and oranges.

--Vic

And to me that is a point of honor and duty.

On Jan 30, 12:09*am, Tim wrote:
On Jan 29, 11:00*pm, Vic Smith

The difference is the obligation to die when the **** hits the fan.
Apples and oranges.

--Vic

And to me that is a point of honor and duty.

Exactly. And we know who doesn't have any honor. Along with honor
comes honesty.............

On Jan 29, 3:46*pm, Gene wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:37:12 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:





this was brought up by one of the distinguished posters here on
rec.boats, and when I said YES, I was given a "Sure ... snerk"

So I'd like to know, seeing I've got a box with a few pay stubs in it
from being a guest of Uncle Sugar, I'd say that doing military service
IS actually considered as a "job". But now I'm left in confusion
because the distinguished poster I've mentioned seems to be skeptical
of *that claim.

So I present this question to the other distinguished posters on
rec.boats:

"Do you, or do you not, consider service in the US military as being a
"job"?"

What say ye?

Define the term "job".
--

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Gene, I suppose that could be considered as a sub-question to my
question.