On Jan 29, 4:29*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:32:41 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Jan 29, 3:25*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:37:12 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
this was brought up by one of the distinguished posters here on
rec.boats, and when I said YES, I was given a "Sure ... snerk"

So I'd like to know, seeing I've got a box with a few pay stubs in it
from being a guest of Uncle Sugar, I'd say that doing military service
IS actually considered as a "job". But now I'm left in confusion
because the distinguished poster I've mentioned seems to be skeptical
of *that claim.

So I present this question to the other distinguished posters on
rec.boats:

"Do you, or do you not, consider service in the US military as being a
"job"?"

What say ye?

I hate the idea of dignifying Harry's comment with a response.

I've never thought of military service as a 'job'. When I think of a job, I
think of living in one place, getting up and putting in my 8 hours a day,
and coming to my nice warm home every night. Another way to think of a
'job' is as a piece of work. A union hack might have to write a paper.
That's a 'job'.

Military service can be a 'job', but for most it's a lot more than that.

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:55:26 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Jan 29, 4:29*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:32:41 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
On Jan 29, 3:25*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:37:12 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:
this was brought up by one of the distinguished posters here on
rec.boats, and when I said YES, I was given a "Sure ... snerk"

So I'd like to know, seeing I've got a box with a few pay stubs in it
from being a guest of Uncle Sugar, I'd say that doing military service
IS actually considered as a "job". But now I'm left in confusion
because the distinguished poster I've mentioned seems to be skeptical
of *that claim.

So I present this question to the other distinguished posters on
rec.boats:

"Do you, or do you not, consider service in the US military as being a
"job"?"

What say ye?

I hate the idea of dignifying Harry's comment with a response.

I've never thought of military service as a 'job'. When I think of a job, I
think of living in one place, getting up and putting in my 8 hours a day,
and coming to my nice warm home every night. Another way to think of a
'job' is as a piece of work. A union hack might have to write a paper.
That's a 'job'.

Military service can be a 'job', but for most it's a lot more than that.
I'm not going to spend a lot of time on what I think of it, because I don't
think Harry, or his puppies, would appreciate it anyway. I'm sure Harry
would give the same reply he normally does when he has been shown to be the
fool.

When I saw Harry's remark about the military being a job for some but not
others, I wanted to ask how the hell he knew. But, I just don't find the
guy worth talking to.
--
John H

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Thnkyou 0-5 Herring for your insight. True, maybe serving in the US
military may not have been an actual "job" but I do feel that you are
a fair person and I don't believe I wouldn't have minded serving under
your command. Er..."formanship"..uh..."boondogglry"

Whatever.
You sort it out.

I'm still confused....

I've got a strong feeling, Tim, that you would have been a great asset to
anyone's command.

--
John H

For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm

* *Definition of a teenager?
* * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * *

Thanks John. I tried. Oh, I got the occasional butt-chewing, but that
goes with about anything.

Hey, I got fired from a 'job' as an 0-5. I ****ed off a two-star when I
told him, with regard to Military Airlift Command aircraft, that we had a
choice - fill the seats or don't fill the seats. This was during the
deployment of VII Corps to Saudi Arabia during Op Desert Storm.

The two-star didn't like having his choices put to him so bluntly!
--
John H

For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm

* Definition of a teenager?
God's punishment...for enjoying sex. *

"John H" wrote in message
...


Military service can be a 'job', but for most it's a lot more than that.
I'm not going to spend a lot of time on what I think of it, because I
don't
think Harry, or his puppies, would appreciate it anyway. I'm sure Harry
would give the same reply he normally does when he has been shown to be
the
fool.


It's unfortunate that some people can't understand this. To completely
understand it, you first have to accept and realize that some things are far
more important than one's self.
The fact that many can't understand this underscores their mindset and how
highly they perceive themselves.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"John H" wrote in message
...


Military service can be a 'job', but for most it's a lot more than that.
I'm not going to spend a lot of time on what I think of it, because I
don't
think Harry, or his puppies, would appreciate it anyway. I'm sure Harry
would give the same reply he normally does when he has been shown to be
the
fool.


It's unfortunate that some people can't understand this. To completely
understand it, you first have to accept and realize that some things are
far more important than one's self.
The fact that many can't understand this underscores their mindset and how
highly they perceive themselves.

Eisboch

It is a job. Different than other jobs, but is still a job. Also is
service for country. As to John's definition of job as 8 hours and go home,
maybe for the Union Label, but most of us in the exempt category put in more
than that in civilian professions.

"Tim" wrote in message
...
this was brought up by one of the distinguished posters here on
rec.boats, and when I said YES, I was given a "Sure ... snerk"

So I'd like to know, seeing I've got a box with a few pay stubs in it
from being a guest of Uncle Sugar, I'd say that doing military service
IS actually considered as a "job". But now I'm left in confusion
because the distinguished poster I've mentioned seems to be skeptical
of that claim.

So I present this question to the other distinguished posters on
rec.boats:

"Do you, or do you not, consider service in the US military as being a
"job"?"

What say ye?


Not to sound corny, but the way I was raised and regarded it back when I was
young was that it was considered to be a duty for which you happened to get
paid. Of course, when I first went in my pay was about 50 bucks every two
weeks, not counting some bonus pay.

For some, it's an honorable job and career. Some milk it, just like any
other job.
Some benefit more from the time served than the time served. (you hafta
read that twice).

I got a lot out of it. Basically they paid me to go to school for half of
the almost 9 years I was in. But I also felt I earned it. Fair deal. But
my time was back in the Vietnam, draft era and few, other than career
"lifers" were there because they wanted to be. Some were. I was.


That's the old military. The new military is very professional, well
trained and I think the mentality is that it is more of a job (or career for
some). But it is still an honorable duty to perform, regardless of what
some in here think.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
...

"Tim" wrote in message
...
this was brought up by one of the distinguished posters here on
rec.boats, and when I said YES, I was given a "Sure ... snerk"

So I'd like to know, seeing I've got a box with a few pay stubs in it
from being a guest of Uncle Sugar, I'd say that doing military service
IS actually considered as a "job". But now I'm left in confusion
because the distinguished poster I've mentioned seems to be skeptical
of that claim.

So I present this question to the other distinguished posters on
rec.boats:

"Do you, or do you not, consider service in the US military as being a
"job"?"

What say ye?


Not to sound corny, but the way I was raised and regarded it back when I
was young was that it was considered to be a duty for which you happened
to get paid. Of course, when I first went in my pay was about 50 bucks
every two weeks, not counting some bonus pay.

For some, it's an honorable job and career. Some milk it, just like any
other job.
Some benefit more from the time served than the time served. (you hafta
read that twice).

I got a lot out of it. Basically they paid me to go to school for half of
the almost 9 years I was in. But I also felt I earned it. Fair deal.
But my time was back in the Vietnam, draft era and few, other than career
"lifers" were there because they wanted to be. Some were. I was.


That's the old military. The new military is very professional, well
trained and I think the mentality is that it is more of a job (or career
for some). But it is still an honorable duty to perform, regardless of
what some in here think.

Eisboch

$50 twice a month? I was in the wrong service. I started at $60 a month in
Feb. 1965.

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:58:09 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

"Tim" wrote in message
...
this was brought up by one of the distinguished posters here on
rec.boats, and when I said YES, I was given a "Sure ... snerk"

So I'd like to know, seeing I've got a box with a few pay stubs in it
from being a guest of Uncle Sugar, I'd say that doing military service
IS actually considered as a "job". But now I'm left in confusion
because the distinguished poster I've mentioned seems to be skeptical
of that claim.

So I present this question to the other distinguished posters on
rec.boats:

"Do you, or do you not, consider service in the US military as being a
"job"?"

What say ye?


Not to sound corny, but the way I was raised and regarded it back when I
was young was that it was considered to be a duty for which you happened
to get paid. Of course, when I first went in my pay was about 50 bucks
every two weeks, not counting some bonus pay.

For some, it's an honorable job and career. Some milk it, just like any
other job.
Some benefit more from the time served than the time served. (you hafta
read that twice).

I got a lot out of it. Basically they paid me to go to school for half of
the almost 9 years I was in. But I also felt I earned it. Fair deal.
But my time was back in the Vietnam, draft era and few, other than career
"lifers" were there because they wanted to be. Some were. I was.


That's the old military. The new military is very professional, well
trained and I think the mentality is that it is more of a job (or career
for some). But it is still an honorable duty to perform, regardless of
what some in here think.

Eisboch

$50 twice a month? I was in the wrong service. I started at $60 a month in
Feb. 1965.


That must have been after taxes. The base pay, as I remember, was $72/mo in
June when I was drafted.

Whoops, I was off by $6

http://www.afforums.com/ppost/data/648/11964.pdf
--
John H

For a great time, go here first... http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm

* Definition of a teenager?
God's punishment...for enjoying sex. *

On Jan 29, 7:34*pm, John H wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:58:09 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:





"Eisboch" wrote in message
m...

"Tim" wrote in message
....
this was brought up by one of the distinguished posters here on
rec.boats, and when I said YES, I was given a "Sure ... snerk"

So I'd like to know, seeing I've got a box with a few pay stubs in it
from being a guest of Uncle Sugar, I'd say that doing military service
IS actually considered as a "job". But now I'm left in confusion
because the distinguished poster I've mentioned seems to be skeptical
of *that claim.

So I present this question to the other distinguished posters on
rec.boats:

"Do you, or do you not, consider service in the US military as being a
"job"?"

What say ye?

Not to sound corny, but the way I was raised and regarded it back when I
was young was that it was considered to be a duty for which you happened
to get paid. *Of course, when I first went in my pay was about 50 bucks
every two weeks, not counting some bonus pay.

For some, it's an honorable job and career. *Some milk it, just like any
other job.
Some benefit more from the time served than the time served. *(you hafta
read that twice).

I got a lot out of it. *Basically they paid me to go to school for half of
the almost 9 years I was in. But I also felt I earned it. * Fair deal.
But my time was back in the Vietnam, draft era and few, other than career
"lifers" were there because they wanted to be. * Some were. *I was..

That's the old military. * The new military is very professional, well
trained and I think the mentality is that it is more of a job (or career
for some). * But it is still an honorable duty to perform, regardless of
what some in here think.

Eisboch

$50 twice a month? *I was in the wrong service. *I started at $60 a month in
Feb. 1965.

That must have been after taxes. The base pay, as I remember, was $72/mo in
June when I was drafted.

Whoops, I was off by $6

http://www.afforums.com/ppost/data/648/11964.pdf
--
John H

For a great time, go here first...http://tinyurl.com/d3vxvm

* *Definition of a teenager?
* * *God's punishment...for enjoying sex. * *

in '44 Dad made $40.00 a month.

On Jan 29, 6:58*pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

...





"Tim" wrote in message
...
this was brought up by one of the distinguished posters here on
rec.boats, and when I said YES, I was given a "Sure ... snerk"

So I'd like to know, seeing I've got a box with a few pay stubs in it
from being a guest of Uncle Sugar, I'd say that doing military service
IS actually considered as a "job". But now I'm left in confusion
because the distinguished poster I've mentioned seems to be skeptical
of *that claim.

So I present this question to the other distinguished posters on
rec.boats:

"Do you, or do you not, consider service in the US military as being a
"job"?"

What say ye?

Not to sound corny, but the way I was raised and regarded it back when I
was young was that it was considered to be a duty for which you happened
to get paid. *Of course, when I first went in my pay was about 50 bucks
every two weeks, not counting some bonus pay.

For some, it's an honorable job and career. *Some milk it, just like any
other job.
Some benefit more from the time served than the time served. *(you hafta
read that twice).

I got a lot out of it. *Basically they paid me to go to school for half of
the almost 9 years I was in. But I also felt I earned it. * Fair deal..
But my time was back in the Vietnam, draft era and few, other than career
"lifers" were there because they wanted to be. * Some were. *I was.

That's the old military. * The new military is very professional, well
trained and I think the mentality is that it is more of a job (or career
for some). * But it is still an honorable duty to perform, regardless of
what some in here think.

Eisboch

$50 twice a month? *I was in the wrong service. *I started at $60 a month in
Feb. 1965.

But you probably paid more at your base PX

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:37:12 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

this was brought up by one of the distinguished posters here on
rec.boats, and when I said YES, I was given a "Sure ... snerk"

So I'd like to know, seeing I've got a box with a few pay stubs in it
from being a guest of Uncle Sugar, I'd say that doing military service
IS actually considered as a "job". But now I'm left in confusion
because the distinguished poster I've mentioned seems to be skeptical
of that claim.

So I present this question to the other distinguished posters on
rec.boats:

"Do you, or do you not, consider service in the US military as being a
"job"?"

What say ye?

It's a difficult answer if only because it is and it isn't.

Routine, like maintaining a radio watch, gate guard, maintenence of
weapons/gear/vehicles - certainly, it's a job. It's also a way to
gain experience in a particular job or career depending on what the
MOS (or whatever it's called now) if you want to be a mechanic or
electrician or electronics tech of some sort - so it relates directly
to what your eventual career choice may be - which is employment in a
civilian job.

It's a way to serve society as a whole by placing yourself in harms
way to serve the greater good. It's similar to becoming an LEO, Fire
Fighter or EMT/Paramedic - you never know from one day to the next if
you will be called on to make the ultimate sacrifice in service to
others. So it's a job with a dangerous component.

Then there is the discipline you gain by having to work with others
and subordinate your own ego and personality to make coordinated
actions with others efficient and effective. So in that sense it's
not a job, but it relates directly to having a job.

Having said that, there is a sense of duty, honor, loyalty to others
and commitment that isn't directly related to being in a "job". To
try and pin it to any one singular description is difficult and, to
tell the truth, practically impossible because it combines different
aspects of King, God and Country if you will.

Eisboch hit the nail on the head when he said that " it was considered
to be a duty for which you happened to get paid." Can't sum it up any
better than that.



--

"I intend to live forever. So far, so good."

Steven Wright