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Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.
The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed
confirmations is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds
in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.
Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?
This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.
Eisboch
Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now,
if only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as pawns
to achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find unacceptable
for high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't ask
what they are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time
discussing them.
You could have voted for a third party candidate. You know somebody who
really reflects your views.


And throw away what might've been a slim margin, thereby ending up with
the wrong person in the White House? Not a chance.

You have no principles.



Neither does a political party that cares so little about America that it
would permit itself to be represented by George W. Bush or Sarah Palin.

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"HK" wrote in message
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Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.
The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed
confirmations is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds
in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.
Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?
This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.
Eisboch
Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now,
if only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as pawns
to achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find unacceptable
for high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't ask
what they are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time
discussing them.
You could have voted for a third party candidate. You know somebody who
really reflects your views.

And throw away what might've been a slim margin, thereby ending up with
the wrong person in the White House? Not a chance.

You have no principles.

Neither does a political party that cares so little about America that it
would permit itself to be represented by George W. Bush or Sarah Palin.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There you go again, straying off the subject when asked to answer a
question. We have answered several for you this morning, with names
and sources, you have not managed to answer even one simple qestion..
Just the same old twisted justifications and non-answers... Though you
would have learned by now.. later...

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"HK" wrote in message
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Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer
a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.
The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed
confirmations is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds
in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.
Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?
This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.
Eisboch
Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now,
if only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as
pawns
to achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find unacceptable
for high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't
ask
what they are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time
discussing them.
You could have voted for a third party candidate. You know somebody
who
really reflects your views.

And throw away what might've been a slim margin, thereby ending up with
the wrong person in the White House? Not a chance.

You have no principles.

Neither does a political party that cares so little about America that it
would permit itself to be represented by George W. Bush or Sarah Palin.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There you go again, straying off the subject when asked to answer a
question. We have answered several for you this morning, with names
and sources, you have not managed to answer even one simple qestion..
Just the same old twisted justifications and non-answers... Though you
would have learned by now.. later...

============

They've all been answered. But, the answers were not simple enough for you
to understand.

HK wrote:
Eisboch wrote:

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Well, I expect the Obama admin will be significantly more "honest"
than the Bush admin. I do not expect perfection. I do not expect
Obama, Biden, Clinton, or Holder will tell bold-faced lies to the
American people about what their admin is doing and why.


Clinton already has.

How can a person or administration be "more honest"?

Either you are honest or you are not.

Eisboch



It's not quite that black or white.

With you, we know that.

But, for the rest of us there is the truth and there is not the truth or
lying.

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"HK" wrote in message
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Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer
a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.
The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed
confirmations is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds
in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.
Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?
This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.
Eisboch
Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now,
if only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as
pawns
to achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find unacceptable
for high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't
ask
what they are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time
discussing them.
You could have voted for a third party candidate. You know somebody
who
really reflects your views.

And throw away what might've been a slim margin, thereby ending up with
the wrong person in the White House? Not a chance.

You have no principles.

Neither does a political party that cares so little about America that it
would permit itself to be represented by George W. Bush or Sarah Palin.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There you go again, straying off the subject when asked to answer a
question. We have answered several for you this morning, with names
and sources, you have not managed to answer even one simple qestion..
Just the same old twisted justifications and non-answers... Though you
would have learned by now.. later...

============

They've all been answered. But, the answers were not simple enough for you
to understand.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You didn't answer what you consider "grown up news", you didn't give a
list or detractors beyond "I have a list in my car" what could be more
simple?

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"HK" wrote in message
...
Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no
longer
a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.
The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed
confirmations is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or
misdeeds
in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a
critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.
Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?
This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.
Eisboch
Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some.
Now,
if only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose
experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect
Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as
pawns
to achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find
unacceptable
for high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't
ask
what they are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time
discussing them.
You could have voted for a third party candidate. You know somebody
who
really reflects your views.

And throw away what might've been a slim margin, thereby ending up
with
the wrong person in the White House? Not a chance.

You have no principles.

Neither does a political party that cares so little about America that
it
would permit itself to be represented by George W. Bush or Sarah Palin.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There you go again, straying off the subject when asked to answer a
question. We have answered several for you this morning, with names
and sources, you have not managed to answer even one simple qestion..
Just the same old twisted justifications and non-answers... Though you
would have learned by now.. later...

============

They've all been answered. But, the answers were not simple enough for you
to understand.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You didn't answer what you consider "grown up news", you didn't give a
list or detractors beyond "I have a list in my car" what could be more
simple?

===========


NPR and BBC, mentioned earlier.

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 10:44:08 -0500, HK wrote:

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Well, I expect the Obama admin will be significantly more "honest"
than the Bush admin. I do not expect perfection. I do not expect
Obama, Biden, Clinton, or Holder will tell bold-faced lies to the
American people about what their admin is doing and why.

Clinton already has.

How can a person or administration be "more honest"?

Either you are honest or you are not.

It's not quite that black or white.

Well, yes and no.

Let's take the Gitmo deal that President Obama has promised to close.

In a year.

Maybe more than that.

But he is closing it.

When is up in the air. :)

So that's one example of the truth of closing down Gitmo not being
exactly true.

How about torture. President Obama is closing down "black" stations,
ending "harsh" interrogation techniques restricting interrogation to
the Army Field Manual which, as I remember, has something like 20
techniques for gathering information.

Unless, of course, it's absoutely necessary to use other, more
creative techniques.

That's another example of the truth of restricting harsh interrogation
not being exactly true.

So in a sense, Harry is right.

--

"I am free of all prejudices. I hate every one equally."

W.C. Fields

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"HK" wrote in message
...
Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no
longer
a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.
The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed
confirmations is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or
misdeeds
in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a
critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.
Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?
This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.
Eisboch
Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some.
Now,
if only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose
experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect
Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as
pawns
to achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find
unacceptable
for high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't
ask
what they are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time
discussing them.
You could have voted for a third party candidate. You know somebody
who
really reflects your views.

And throw away what might've been a slim margin, thereby ending up
with
the wrong person in the White House? Not a chance.

You have no principles.

Neither does a political party that cares so little about America that
it
would permit itself to be represented by George W. Bush or Sarah Palin.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There you go again, straying off the subject when asked to answer a
question. We have answered several for you this morning, with names
and sources, you have not managed to answer even one simple qestion..
Just the same old twisted justifications and non-answers... Though you
would have learned by now.. later...

============

They've all been answered. But, the answers were not simple enough for you
to understand.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You didn't answer what you consider "grown up news", you didn't give a
list or detractors beyond "I have a list in my car" what could be more
simple?

===========

NPR and BBC, mentioned earlier.- Hide quoted text -

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So, you only listen to left wing news, explains a lot really.

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...

"HK" wrote in message
...
Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no
longer
a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.
The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed
confirmations is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or
misdeeds
in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a
critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.
Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?
This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.
Eisboch
Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some.
Now,
if only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose
experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect
Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as
pawns
to achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find
unacceptable
for high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics.
Don't
ask
what they are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our
time
discussing them.
You could have voted for a third party candidate. You know
somebody
who
really reflects your views.

And throw away what might've been a slim margin, thereby ending up
with
the wrong person in the White House? Not a chance.

You have no principles.

Neither does a political party that cares so little about America that
it
would permit itself to be represented by George W. Bush or Sarah
Palin.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There you go again, straying off the subject when asked to answer a
question. We have answered several for you this morning, with names
and sources, you have not managed to answer even one simple qestion..
Just the same old twisted justifications and non-answers... Though you
would have learned by now.. later...

============

They've all been answered. But, the answers were not simple enough for
you
to understand.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You didn't answer what you consider "grown up news", you didn't give a
list or detractors beyond "I have a list in my car" what could be more
simple?

===========

NPR and BBC, mentioned earlier.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, you only listen to left wing news, explains a lot really.
=============


I'd be happy to listen to a source which you consider balanced, or even
right-wing, as long as the stories are longer than 15 seconds. Please
provide one or two and I will listen.

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"HK" wrote in message
...
Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no
longer
a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.
The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed
confirmations is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or
misdeeds
in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a
critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.
Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?
This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.
Eisboch
Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some.
Now,
if only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around......

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose
experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect
Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as
pawns
to achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find
unacceptable
for high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics.
Don't
ask
what they are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our
time
discussing them.
You could have voted for a third party candidate. You know
somebody
who
really reflects your views.

And throw away what might've been a slim margin, thereby ending up
with
the wrong person in the White House? Not a chance.

You have no principles.

Neither does a political party that cares so little about America that
it
would permit itself to be represented by George W. Bush or Sarah
Palin.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There you go again, straying off the subject when asked to answer a
question. We have answered several for you this morning, with names
and sources, you have not managed to answer even one simple qestion..
Just the same old twisted justifications and non-answers... Though you
would have learned by now.. later...

============

They've all been answered. But, the answers were not simple enough for
you
to understand.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You didn't answer what you consider "grown up news", you didn't give a
list or detractors beyond "I have a list in my car" what could be more
simple?

===========

NPR and BBC, mentioned earlier.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, you only listen to left wing news, explains a lot really.
=============

I'd be happy to listen to a source which you consider balanced, or even
right-wing, as long as the stories are longer than 15 seconds. Please
provide one or two and I will listen.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

15 seconds? So, you really are not interested in "the other side". Are
the stories on NPR and the BBC limited to 15 seconds?

Just the question you ask shows you have never really sought out
information other than what suits your ideology, you are uninformed by
choice, holy ****, I had at least given you more than that. No wonder
you can never really answer questions, if I were in your shoes I would
be embarassed too. Again, it explains a lot...