"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

I just can't get that out of my head, especially when Obama is
promoting/demanding honesty and integrity of government in the future.

Eisboch


You didn't seem so outspoken during the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Gonzo
Administration, when virtually everything any of them said on significant
issues was a lie.


It's probably because like many I have some renewed interest in what's going
on in Washington.
Bush's terms in office were a slide towards disaster obviously, but I don't
simplify it by putting *all* the blame on him.

But now we have a chance for some real reforms and, for lack of an original
term, "Change" in the way Washington works. I am watching closely, not
because I supported some of Bush's actions, but because I am sick of the
whole DC way of doing things. Obama has promised Change. I think we all
have the right to expect him to do what he promised and to be critical of
actions that don't conform to his policy of principled government.

The biggest thing I think I learned (not being a political junkie) during
the past year is the power of public opinion. If enough people let it be
known, the pressure on Congress and the Presidency can be effective.

Eisboch

"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

I just can't get that out of my head, especially when Obama is
promoting/demanding honesty and integrity of government in the future.

Eisboch


You didn't seem so outspoken during the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Gonzo
Administration, when virtually everything any of them said on significant
issues was a lie.


It's probably because like many I have some renewed interest in what's
going on in Washington.
Bush's terms in office were a slide towards disaster obviously, but I
don't simplify it by putting *all* the blame on him.

But now we have a chance for some real reforms and, for lack of an
original term, "Change" in the way Washington works. I am watching
closely, not because I supported some of Bush's actions, but because I am
sick of the whole DC way of doing things. Obama has promised Change. I
think we all have the right to expect him to do what he promised and to be
critical of actions that don't conform to his policy of principled
government.

The biggest thing I think I learned (not being a political junkie) during
the past year is the power of public opinion. If enough people let it be
known, the pressure on Congress and the Presidency can be effective.

Eisboch


Here's something interesting: While driving last night around 8:00-ish, some
show came on NPR during which they played tidbits of interviews with black &
Hispanic kids. I don't know where they conducted the interviews, but for
many, it was quiet in the background, so I suspect they were not at the
inauguration. The kids were all saying that for them, Obama demonstrated
that with hard work, you can achieve anything.

Considering what Bill Cosby have said about the lack of positive role models
for black kids, I think Obama's victory is a pretty good thing.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:


2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find unacceptable for
high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't ask what they
are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time discussing them.


Just two? You weren't trying.

Eisboch wrote:

"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

I just can't get that out of my head, especially when Obama is
promoting/demanding honesty and integrity of government in the future.

Eisboch


You didn't seem so outspoken during the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Gonzo
Administration, when virtually everything any of them said on
significant issues was a lie.


It's probably because like many I have some renewed interest in what's
going on in Washington.
Bush's terms in office were a slide towards disaster obviously, but I
don't simplify it by putting *all* the blame on him.

But now we have a chance for some real reforms and, for lack of an
original term, "Change" in the way Washington works. I am watching
closely, not because I supported some of Bush's actions, but because I
am sick of the whole DC way of doing things. Obama has promised
Change. I think we all have the right to expect him to do what he
promised and to be critical of actions that don't conform to his policy
of principled government.

The biggest thing I think I learned (not being a political junkie)
during the past year is the power of public opinion. If enough people
let it be known, the pressure on Congress and the Presidency can be
effective.

Eisboch


Well, I expect the Obama admin will be significantly more "honest" than
the Bush admin. I do not expect perfection. I do not expect Obama,
Biden, Clinton, or Holder will tell bold-faced lies to the American
people about what their admin is doing and why.

On Jan 22, 10:10*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
wrote in message

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On Jan 22, 9:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"HK" wrote in message
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Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.

The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed confirmations
is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.

Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?

This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.

Eisboch

Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now, if
only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as pawns to
achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find unacceptable for
high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't ask what they
are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time discussing them..- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, you admit that Obama has never really run anything and has no
experience that would suggest he is ready to be president? If not,
please list some of his accomplishments beyond being an inside trainer
for ACORN's voter fraud initiative?

"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"Eisboch" wrote in message
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"HK" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:

I just can't get that out of my head, especially when Obama is
promoting/demanding honesty and integrity of government in the future.

Eisboch


You didn't seem so outspoken during the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Gonzo
Administration, when virtually everything any of them said on
significant issues was a lie.


It's probably because like many I have some renewed interest in what's
going on in Washington.
Bush's terms in office were a slide towards disaster obviously, but I
don't simplify it by putting *all* the blame on him.

But now we have a chance for some real reforms and, for lack of an
original term, "Change" in the way Washington works. I am watching
closely, not because I supported some of Bush's actions, but because I am
sick of the whole DC way of doing things. Obama has promised Change. I
think we all have the right to expect him to do what he promised and to
be critical of actions that don't conform to his policy of principled
government.

The biggest thing I think I learned (not being a political junkie) during
the past year is the power of public opinion. If enough people let it be
known, the pressure on Congress and the Presidency can be effective.

Eisboch


Here's something interesting: While driving last night around 8:00-ish,
some show came on NPR during which they played tidbits of interviews with
black & Hispanic kids. I don't know where they conducted the interviews,
but for many, it was quiet in the background, so I suspect they were not
at the inauguration. The kids were all saying that for them, Obama
demonstrated that with hard work, you can achieve anything.

Considering what Bill Cosby have said about the lack of positive role
models for black kids, I think Obama's victory is a pretty good thing.


It's important, good, refreshing and history making. It should not,
however, be the primary reason or success story related to Obama's election.
Unfortunately, the media is making it so.

Eisboch

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On Jan 22, 10:10 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
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On Jan 22, 9:45 am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:





"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"HK" wrote in message
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Indeed, and speaking of diplomacy, I am glad to see the state
department
back in the hands of political and career diplomats, and no longer a
tool
of the pentagram, er, pentagon.

The only thing I find disturbing about some of the rushed
confirmations
is
the willingness to overlook/ignore some character flaws or misdeeds in
some of the nominee's backgrounds because we are in such a critical
"emergency" situation economically and politically.

Didn't Obama state in his inauguration address that we will not
sacrifice
principles in the execution of of policies?

This all sounds and feels disturbingly familiar.

Eisboch

Perhaps congress is looking for experience FAST. They got some. Now, if
only
someone would talk Obama into asking Gates to stick around.....

I suppose we could dredge up more like Mike Brown, whose experience
running
a horse association served us so well.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hummm, if exerience is an issue, why the hell did you elect Obama???

=================

I didn't really vote FOR Obama. I voted AGAINST two things:

1) McCain, who's too wrapped up in trying to equal his father and
grandfather's achievements, probably using other people's kids as pawns to
achieve that end.

2) Palin, who displayed two characteristics which I find unacceptable for
high office, and I won't budge on these characteristics. Don't ask what
they
are. If you don't already know, we'll be wasting our time discussing
them.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So, you admit that Obama has never really run anything and has no
experience that would suggest he is ready to be president? If not,
please list some of his accomplishments beyond being an inside trainer
for ACORN's voter fraud initiative?

===================

What a silly question. His history is freely available to anyone who cares
to read it. Of course he has less experience than McCain. But, he also does
not have any of McCain's strange baggage, which I believe would've led
McCain to kill more of our soldiers just to make himself feel young and
potent.

Try to avoid the predictable response. Please.

JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"BAR" wrote in message
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JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:10:58 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 11:04:52 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:

"John H" wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 10:30:53 -0500, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote:
Have you noticed a liberal tendency to stoop to name-calling and
personal
insults? Does it enhance your self-esteem? Does it make your
'argument'
more persuasive?

That was the issue at hand. Did you skip over it?
--
John H
Not any more.

Where's your courage?
--
John H
The subject is now State Street Bank.

I expect if I were in your shoes, I'd try to jump over those puddles
also.

At least you seem to have slowed the insults and name-calling, so maybe
you
got the message.

BTW, Iranian students don't seem to be too happy with Obama.

http://www.isna.ir/ISNA/PicView.aspx...75042-2&Lang=P

John H

Sadly, the picture makes no sense, and was probably staged by their
government.
Iran hasn't changed in near 30 years, they still hate the USA regardless
of who our president is.


Which Iran are you referring to? Everything I've read in real news sources
disputes your claim. Many Iranians view their president as a loose cannon,
like the one we just got rid of.

Those many Iranians done run their own country. My statement still
stands. Iran hasn't changed in near 30 years.

On Jan 22, 10:23*am, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote:
"Eisboch" wrote in message

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"HK" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

I just can't get that out of my head, especially when Obama is
promoting/demanding honesty and integrity of government in the future..

Eisboch

You didn't seem so outspoken during the Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Gonzo
Administration, when virtually everything any of them said on significant
issues was a lie.

It's probably because like many I have some renewed interest in what's
going on in Washington.
Bush's terms in office were a slide towards disaster obviously, but I
don't simplify it by putting *all* the blame on him.

But now we have a chance for some real reforms and, for lack of an
original term, "Change" in the way Washington works. * I am watching
closely, not because I supported some of Bush's actions, but because I am
sick of the whole DC way of doing things. *Obama has promised Change. *I
think we all have the right to expect him to do what he promised and to be
critical of actions that don't conform to his policy of principled
government.

The biggest thing I think I learned (not being a political junkie) during
the past year is the power of public opinion. *If enough people let it be
known, the pressure on Congress and the Presidency can be effective.

Eisboch

Here's something interesting: While driving last night around 8:00-ish, some
show came on NPR during which they played tidbits of interviews with black &
Hispanic kids. I don't know where they conducted the interviews, but for
many, it was quiet in the background, so I suspect they were not at the
inauguration. The kids were all saying that for them, Obama demonstrated
that with hard work, you can achieve anything.

Considering what Bill Cosby have said about the lack of positive role models
for black kids, I think Obama's victory is a pretty good thing.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I agree, I was talking to my neighbors who went through the civil
rights era. We agreed that this was one of the proudest moments in
American History. I still get goosebumps when I think about it, there
are not very many countries in the free world that can say they
elected a minority, in a peaceful manner. I may disagree with Obama,
but he is still my President for the next 4 years anyway. God bless
him..

"HK" wrote in message
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Well, I expect the Obama admin will be significantly more "honest" than
the Bush admin. I do not expect perfection. I do not expect Obama, Biden,
Clinton, or Holder will tell bold-faced lies to the American people about
what their admin is doing and why.


Clinton already has.

How can a person or administration be "more honest"?

Either you are honest or you are not.

Eisboch