On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:34:00 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

Also, I know that leatherman and gerber made much better stuff 10+
years ago than they do today, with ownership changes and lowered
standards, etc

However, to answer your question, the small set of Channel Lock pliers
is a great tool and it fits into a Leatherman case.

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 18:34:00 -0800 (PST),
wrote:

I am posting this from a bike group I go to.. Maybe you guys can make
a good suggestion and I can pass it along..

SNIP
OT, but I figure some of the regulars in this group are the type to
carry and use multitools. I'm looking to get one that has a solid
set
of pliers that don't shimmy side to side when twisting things, with
at
least the basics for additional tools (screwdrivers, knife, etc).
It'll be for boating use as well as on the dirt bike, so I don't
really like the designs that have separate drivers for the
screwdriver
part, since I could see losing one in rough seas, and wouldn't want
to be fiddling with getting out the proper bit and inserting it into
the tool while on the cabintop of a rocking boat.

The best thing I found hope for in my research was a Kershaw
multitool, but it's been discontinued. My everyday pocket knife is a
Kershaw 1550, and it's a great, great knife. Very well built, going
strong after years of tough use and conditions, and has a lifetime
warranty behind it if it ever does flake out on me.


Any multitools I've used have done many things poorly. I'd like to
find one that does a few things well, with a special focus on the
pliers. This (along with my satisfaction with their other products)
is why i liked the looks of the Kershaw so much - the pliers were not
retractable and as such were supposedly much stiffer than your
average
multitool. They were also locking like vice grips, but that part I
can do without.


Also, I know that leatherman and gerber made much better stuff 10+
years ago than they do today, with ownership changes and lowered
standards, etc. I'm looking for advice on a good multitool I can buy
at the store in '09, not what was a great tool back in the 80's when
tools were commonly made to be used.


So, if you carry something along these lines and are happy with it,
please tell me what and why.

/SNIP

Thanks, Scotty

I don't like the newer Leatherman designs, but the original Leatherman was
a great tool, with great pliers. My Dutch friend's son, for whom I'd bought
one as a Christmas present years ago, broke one of the pliers jaws. When my
friend visited in October he brought it with him. I sent it to Leatherman,
and they promptly replaced it - no question, no nothing.

I've had and use my original for many years, and it's never let me down.

wrote in message
...
I am posting this from a bike group I go to.. Maybe you guys can make
a good suggestion and I can pass it along..

SNIP
OT, but I figure some of the regulars in this group are the type to
carry and use multitools. I'm looking to get one that has a solid
set
of pliers that don't shimmy side to side when twisting things, with
at
least the basics for additional tools (screwdrivers, knife, etc).
It'll be for boating use as well as on the dirt bike, so I don't
really like the designs that have separate drivers for the
screwdriver
part, since I could see losing one in rough seas, and wouldn't want
to be fiddling with getting out the proper bit and inserting it into
the tool while on the cabintop of a rocking boat.

The best thing I found hope for in my research was a Kershaw
multitool, but it's been discontinued. My everyday pocket knife is a
Kershaw 1550, and it's a great, great knife. Very well built, going
strong after years of tough use and conditions, and has a lifetime
warranty behind it if it ever does flake out on me.


Any multitools I've used have done many things poorly. I'd like to
find one that does a few things well, with a special focus on the
pliers. This (along with my satisfaction with their other products)
is why i liked the looks of the Kershaw so much - the pliers were not
retractable and as such were supposedly much stiffer than your
average
multitool. They were also locking like vice grips, but that part I
can do without.


Also, I know that leatherman and gerber made much better stuff 10+
years ago than they do today, with ownership changes and lowered
standards, etc. I'm looking for advice on a good multitool I can buy
at the store in '09, not what was a great tool back in the 80's when
tools were commonly made to be used.


So, if you carry something along these lines and are happy with it,
please tell me what and why.

/SNIP

Thanks, Scotty

Back in 1997 we were closing up a small union local and preparing to join
with a larger union.
Had some money to dispose of so I bought about 32 Schrade Tough Tools for
the members.
I also went to a local leather artist and had little patches made with the
union local #, it's logo and the dates it served the members.
These patches were sewn onto the leather belt pouches the tool came with.
I presented them with custom t-shirts at a goodbye party to the 2.5 dozen
current members plus a few past execs.
Everybody loved them except for a few of the girls. Can't please everyone.
http://www.botachtactical.com/schrade1.html

On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 23:42:55 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
I am posting this from a bike group I go to.. Maybe you guys can make
a good suggestion and I can pass it along..

SNIP
OT, but I figure some of the regulars in this group are the type to
carry and use multitools. I'm looking to get one that has a solid
set
of pliers that don't shimmy side to side when twisting things, with
at
least the basics for additional tools (screwdrivers, knife, etc).
It'll be for boating use as well as on the dirt bike, so I don't
really like the designs that have separate drivers for the
screwdriver
part, since I could see losing one in rough seas, and wouldn't want
to be fiddling with getting out the proper bit and inserting it into
the tool while on the cabintop of a rocking boat.

The best thing I found hope for in my research was a Kershaw
multitool, but it's been discontinued. My everyday pocket knife is a
Kershaw 1550, and it's a great, great knife. Very well built, going
strong after years of tough use and conditions, and has a lifetime
warranty behind it if it ever does flake out on me.


Any multitools I've used have done many things poorly. I'd like to
find one that does a few things well, with a special focus on the
pliers. This (along with my satisfaction with their other products)
is why i liked the looks of the Kershaw so much - the pliers were not
retractable and as such were supposedly much stiffer than your
average
multitool. They were also locking like vice grips, but that part I
can do without.


Also, I know that leatherman and gerber made much better stuff 10+
years ago than they do today, with ownership changes and lowered
standards, etc. I'm looking for advice on a good multitool I can buy
at the store in '09, not what was a great tool back in the 80's when
tools were commonly made to be used.


So, if you carry something along these lines and are happy with it,
please tell me what and why.

/SNIP

Thanks, Scotty

Back in 1997 we were closing up a small union local and preparing to join
with a larger union.
Had some money to dispose of so I bought about 32 Schrade Tough Tools for
the members.
I also went to a local leather artist and had little patches made with the
union local #, it's logo and the dates it served the members.
These patches were sewn onto the leather belt pouches the tool came with.
I presented them with custom t-shirts at a goodbye party to the 2.5 dozen
current members plus a few past execs.
Everybody loved them except for a few of the girls. Can't please everyone.
http://www.botachtactical.com/schrade1.html

How long did they last?

"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 23:42:55 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:


wrote in message
...
I am posting this from a bike group I go to.. Maybe you guys can make
a good suggestion and I can pass it along..

SNIP
OT, but I figure some of the regulars in this group are the type to
carry and use multitools. I'm looking to get one that has a solid
set
of pliers that don't shimmy side to side when twisting things, with
at
least the basics for additional tools (screwdrivers, knife, etc).
It'll be for boating use as well as on the dirt bike, so I don't
really like the designs that have separate drivers for the
screwdriver
part, since I could see losing one in rough seas, and wouldn't want
to be fiddling with getting out the proper bit and inserting it into
the tool while on the cabintop of a rocking boat.

The best thing I found hope for in my research was a Kershaw
multitool, but it's been discontinued. My everyday pocket knife is a
Kershaw 1550, and it's a great, great knife. Very well built, going
strong after years of tough use and conditions, and has a lifetime
warranty behind it if it ever does flake out on me.


Any multitools I've used have done many things poorly. I'd like to
find one that does a few things well, with a special focus on the
pliers. This (along with my satisfaction with their other products)
is why i liked the looks of the Kershaw so much - the pliers were not
retractable and as such were supposedly much stiffer than your
average
multitool. They were also locking like vice grips, but that part I
can do without.


Also, I know that leatherman and gerber made much better stuff 10+
years ago than they do today, with ownership changes and lowered
standards, etc. I'm looking for advice on a good multitool I can buy
at the store in '09, not what was a great tool back in the 80's when
tools were commonly made to be used.


So, if you carry something along these lines and are happy with it,
please tell me what and why.

/SNIP

Thanks, Scotty

Back in 1997 we were closing up a small union local and preparing to join
with a larger union.
Had some money to dispose of so I bought about 32 Schrade Tough Tools for
the members.
I also went to a local leather artist and had little patches made with the
union local #, it's logo and the dates it served the members.
These patches were sewn onto the leather belt pouches the tool came with.
I presented them with custom t-shirts at a goodbye party to the 2.5 dozen
current members plus a few past execs.
Everybody loved them except for a few of the girls. Can't please
everyone.
http://www.botachtactical.com/schrade1.html

How long did they last?

Mine is like new..except for the tiny 'slot' screwdriver tip. I mangled it
a bit trying to remove small rusted towel rack set screws.
Always meant to send it back for repair under warranty..or simply file down
to a useable tip.
(note: I should disclose that other than the original oiling and tedius
high repition break-in period, so I could open and use the pliers single
handed, the tool got limited use)

Don White wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 23:42:55 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
I am posting this from a bike group I go to.. Maybe you guys can make
a good suggestion and I can pass it along..

SNIP
OT, but I figure some of the regulars in this group are the type to
carry and use multitools. I'm looking to get one that has a solid
set
of pliers that don't shimmy side to side when twisting things, with
at
least the basics for additional tools (screwdrivers, knife, etc).
It'll be for boating use as well as on the dirt bike, so I don't
really like the designs that have separate drivers for the
screwdriver
part, since I could see losing one in rough seas, and wouldn't want
to be fiddling with getting out the proper bit and inserting it into
the tool while on the cabintop of a rocking boat.

The best thing I found hope for in my research was a Kershaw
multitool, but it's been discontinued. My everyday pocket knife is a
Kershaw 1550, and it's a great, great knife. Very well built, going
strong after years of tough use and conditions, and has a lifetime
warranty behind it if it ever does flake out on me.


Any multitools I've used have done many things poorly. I'd like to
find one that does a few things well, with a special focus on the
pliers. This (along with my satisfaction with their other products)
is why i liked the looks of the Kershaw so much - the pliers were not
retractable and as such were supposedly much stiffer than your
average
multitool. They were also locking like vice grips, but that part I
can do without.


Also, I know that leatherman and gerber made much better stuff 10+
years ago than they do today, with ownership changes and lowered
standards, etc. I'm looking for advice on a good multitool I can buy
at the store in '09, not what was a great tool back in the 80's when
tools were commonly made to be used.


So, if you carry something along these lines and are happy with it,
please tell me what and why.

/SNIP

Thanks, Scotty
Back in 1997 we were closing up a small union local and preparing to join
with a larger union.
Had some money to dispose of so I bought about 32 Schrade Tough Tools for
the members.
I also went to a local leather artist and had little patches made with the
union local #, it's logo and the dates it served the members.
These patches were sewn onto the leather belt pouches the tool came with.
I presented them with custom t-shirts at a goodbye party to the 2.5 dozen
current members plus a few past execs.
Everybody loved them except for a few of the girls. Can't please
everyone.
http://www.botachtactical.com/schrade1.html
How long did they last?

Mine is like new..except for the tiny 'slot' screwdriver tip. I mangled it
a bit trying to remove small rusted towel rack set screws.
Always meant to send it back for repair under warranty..or simply file down
to a useable tip.
(note: I should disclose that other than the original oiling and tedius
high repition break-in period, so I could open and use the pliers single
handed, the tool got limited use)


Whatever made you think you could remove a hex fastener with a flat
blade tool. You should file all your tools down to a dull point.

"Jim" wrote in message
...
Don White wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in
message ...
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 23:42:55 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

wrote in message
...
I am posting this from a bike group I go to.. Maybe you guys can make
a good suggestion and I can pass it along..

SNIP
OT, but I figure some of the regulars in this group are the type to
carry and use multitools. I'm looking to get one that has a solid
set
of pliers that don't shimmy side to side when twisting things, with
at
least the basics for additional tools (screwdrivers, knife, etc).
It'll be for boating use as well as on the dirt bike, so I don't
really like the designs that have separate drivers for the
screwdriver
part, since I could see losing one in rough seas, and wouldn't want
to be fiddling with getting out the proper bit and inserting it into
the tool while on the cabintop of a rocking boat.

The best thing I found hope for in my research was a Kershaw
multitool, but it's been discontinued. My everyday pocket knife is a
Kershaw 1550, and it's a great, great knife. Very well built, going
strong after years of tough use and conditions, and has a lifetime
warranty behind it if it ever does flake out on me.


Any multitools I've used have done many things poorly. I'd like to
find one that does a few things well, with a special focus on the
pliers. This (along with my satisfaction with their other products)
is why i liked the looks of the Kershaw so much - the pliers were not
retractable and as such were supposedly much stiffer than your
average
multitool. They were also locking like vice grips, but that part I
can do without.


Also, I know that leatherman and gerber made much better stuff 10+
years ago than they do today, with ownership changes and lowered
standards, etc. I'm looking for advice on a good multitool I can buy
at the store in '09, not what was a great tool back in the 80's when
tools were commonly made to be used.


So, if you carry something along these lines and are happy with it,
please tell me what and why.

/SNIP

Thanks, Scotty
Back in 1997 we were closing up a small union local and preparing to
join
with a larger union.
Had some money to dispose of so I bought about 32 Schrade Tough Tools
for
the members.
I also went to a local leather artist and had little patches made with
the
union local #, it's logo and the dates it served the members.
These patches were sewn onto the leather belt pouches the tool came
with.
I presented them with custom t-shirts at a goodbye party to the 2.5
dozen
current members plus a few past execs.
Everybody loved them except for a few of the girls. Can't please
everyone.
http://www.botachtactical.com/schrade1.html
How long did they last?

Mine is like new..except for the tiny 'slot' screwdriver tip. I mangled
it a bit trying to remove small rusted towel rack set screws.
Always meant to send it back for repair under warranty..or simply file
down to a useable tip.
(note: I should disclose that other than the original oiling and tedius
high repition break-in period, so I could open and use the pliers single
handed, the tool got limited use)
Whatever made you think you could remove a hex fastener with a flat blade
tool. You should file all your tools down to a dull point.

Hee hee...this set screw did have a slot cut...meant for a very narrow 'slot
type' screwdriver.
All the ones I see now are the hex, or Allan key type.

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:15:58 -0400, "Don White"
wrote:

How long did they last?

Mine is like new..except for the tiny 'slot' screwdriver tip. I mangled it
a bit trying to remove small rusted towel rack set screws.
Always meant to send it back for repair under warranty..or simply file down
to a useable tip.
(note: I should disclose that other than the original oiling and tedius
high repition break-in period, so I could open and use the pliers single
handed, the tool got limited use)

The reason I asked was because I had one and had nothing but bad
things to say about it. Seemed flimsy to me.

I have Leatherman tools - the big multi-set and two of the standard
tools - never had a problem with any of them.

Now that I think about it, I've had the one I carry on my belt for at
least ten years - still looks new and I use it all the time.

On Jan 7, 10:10*am, Tom Francis - SWSports
wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 10:15:58 -0400, "Don White"

wrote:
How long did they last?

Mine is like new..except for the tiny 'slot' screwdriver tip. *I mangled it
a bit trying to remove small rusted towel rack set screws.
Always meant to send it back for repair under warranty..or simply file down
to a useable tip.
(note: *I should disclose that other than the original oiling and tedius
high repition break-in period, so I could open and use the pliers single
handed, the tool got limited use)

The reason I asked was because I had one and had nothing but bad
things to say about it. *Seemed flimsy to me.

I have Leatherman tools - the big multi-set and two of the standard
tools - never had a problem with any of them.

Now that I think about it, I've had the one I carry on my belt for at
least ten years - still looks new and I use it all the time.

I have a Leatherman "Super Tool", and while it's never given me a
problem, I don't really like it that much. When you flip it open to
use the pliers, the "handles" have the open sides out, which then digs
into your hand if you need to apply much pressure. It is fairly
bullet-proof, but the design has been retired now.

On Jan 6, 10:42*pm, "Don White" wrote:
wrote in message

...





I am posting this from a bike group I go to.. Maybe you guys can make
a good suggestion and I can pass it along..

SNIP
OT, but I figure some of the regulars in this group are the type to
carry and use multitools. *I'm looking to get one that has a solid
set
of pliers that don't shimmy side to side when twisting things, with
at
least the basics for additional tools (screwdrivers, knife, etc).
It'll be for boating use as well as on the dirt bike, so I don't
really like the designs that have separate drivers for the
screwdriver
part, since I could see *losing one in rough seas, and wouldn't want
to be fiddling with getting out the proper bit and inserting it into
the tool while on the cabintop of a rocking boat.

The best thing I found hope for in my research was a Kershaw
multitool, but it's been discontinued. *My everyday pocket knife is a
Kershaw 1550, and it's a great, great knife. *Very well built, going
strong after years of tough use and conditions, and has a lifetime
warranty behind it if it ever does flake out on me.

Any multitools I've used have done many things poorly. *I'd like to
find one that does a few things well, with a special focus on the
pliers. *This (along with my satisfaction with their other products)
is why i liked the looks of the Kershaw so much - the pliers were not
retractable and as such were supposedly much stiffer than your
average
multitool. *They were also locking like vice grips, but that part I
can do without.

Also, I know that leatherman and gerber made much better stuff 10+
years ago than they do today, with ownership changes and lowered
standards, etc. *I'm looking for advice on a good multitool I can buy
at the store in '09, not what was a great tool back in the 80's when
tools were commonly made to be used.

So, if you carry something along these lines and are happy with it,
please tell me what and why.

/SNIP

Thanks, Scotty

Back in 1997 we were closing up a small union local and preparing to join
with a larger union.
Had some money to dispose of so I bought about 32 Schrade Tough Tools for
the members.
I also went to a local leather artist and had little patches made with the
union local #, it's logo and the dates it served the members.
These patches were sewn onto the leather belt pouches the tool came with.
I presented them with custom t-shirts at a goodbye party to the 2.5 dozen
current members plus a few past execs.
Everybody loved them except for a few of the girls. *Can't please everyone.http://www.botachtactical.com/schrade1.html- Hide quoted text -

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