On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:08:24 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

OK, I hear that lead bullets foul barrels. Is this why they coat some
with copper? Why not coat shotgun shot with copper, its easy and
cheap?

I happen to have a bag of copper plated shot. The idea to increase the
surface hardness so that the shot will be deformed less by the shock
of firing. The rounder shot fly straighter. As for cheap, coated shot
do cost more, but its not a showstopper.

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:08:24 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

OK, I hear that lead bullets foul barrels. Is this why they coat some
with copper? Why not coat shotgun shot with copper, its easy and
cheap?

I happen to have a bag of copper plated shot. The idea to increase the
surface hardness so that the shot will be deformed less by the shock
of firing. The rounder shot fly straighter. As for cheap, coated shot
do cost more, but its not a showstopper.

Casady


You creep out onto the pond and whack the duckies with the bag of shot?

Wait...you reload your hulls?

Wow.

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:24:58 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 13:40:28 GMT, Richard Casady penned the following
well considered thoughts to the readers of rec.boats:

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:08:24 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote:

OK, I hear that lead bullets foul barrels. Is this why they coat some
with copper? Why not coat shotgun shot with copper, its easy and
cheap?

I happen to have a bag of copper plated shot. The idea to increase the
surface hardness so that the shot will be deformed less by the shock
of firing. The rounder shot fly straighter. As for cheap, coated shot
do cost more, but its not a showstopper.

Casady

Nah....... the antimony content in lead shot is what imparts hardness.
The copper is there only as a coating to prevent oxidation.

Of course, that applies only to the *coating* on shotgun pellets
versus the *jacket* found on bullets....

Copper is much harder than any lead alloy and is there to make the
shot harder, which tightens patterns. If it doesn't, than why is it
illegal for skeet? If the old style paper hulls get soaked enough to
corrode the shot, the ammo is already ruined. Modern plastic is, in
many cases, airtight. They weld up the tiny hole at the center of the
crimped mouth. Much target ammo gets shot the week it is loaded.
In any case, nobody in the right mind stores most things under wet
conditions.

Casady

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:39:22 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:23:55 -0500, Gene Kearns
wrote:

I'm 300 feet from the AICW to the North and 1/2 mile from the Atlantic
Ocean to the South...... *nothing* stays really *dry* here.

I was in DC and lead bullets would "chalk" up on me. If I wasn't going
to shoot them right away I only bought jacked or copper clad ammo.

I believe you, why would you lie, but the only chalked lead I have
seen came with a century old leather shot pouch. You should store the
stuff in, of all things, an ammo can. GI fifty cal cans are used to
store the other smaller types as well. The lid clamps down on a rubber
gasket. Get some silica gel packets to put in with the ammo. Are you
sure if it really matters if you shoot the corroded stuff? Badly
corroded cases could be weakened but bullets? For what its worth
either fine steel wool, or a Scotchbrite pad should easily remove that
lead carbonate.

Casady

Casady

wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:57:57 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:39:22 -0500, wrote:


I was in DC and lead bullets would "chalk" up on me. If I wasn't going
to shoot them right away I only bought jacked or copper clad ammo.
I believe you, why would you lie, but the only chalked lead I have
seen came with a century old leather shot pouch. You should store the
stuff in, of all things, an ammo can. GI fifty cal cans are used to
store the other smaller types as well. The lid clamps down on a rubber
gasket. Get some silica gel packets to put in with the ammo. Are you
sure if it really matters if you shoot the corroded stuff? Badly
corroded cases could be weakened but bullets? For what its worth
either fine steel wool, or a Scotchbrite pad should easily remove that
lead carbonate.

Casady

Casady


I noticed it most with promo .22 rf like "Thunderbolts" and I shot
them up anyway. In a Norrell 10-22 it really doesn't make that much
difference if you lose a few minutes of angle down range, there will
be another round coming along about 60ms later.


I only shoot copper-coated bullets in my semi-auto handguns. I like
CCI's mini-mags in the .22 and Blazer Brass in the others. I only shoot
targets, and not formally, so this ammo is good enough for me. No
misfeeds, ftfs or other problems, either. I used Winchester white box
for a while, but thought it was "dirty."

Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:57:57 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:39:22 -0500, wrote:


I was in DC and lead bullets would "chalk" up on me. If I wasn't going
to shoot them right away I only bought jacked or copper clad ammo.
I believe you, why would you lie, but the only chalked lead I have
seen came with a century old leather shot pouch. You should store the
stuff in, of all things, an ammo can. GI fifty cal cans are used to
store the other smaller types as well. The lid clamps down on a rubber
gasket. Get some silica gel packets to put in with the ammo. Are you
sure if it really matters if you shoot the corroded stuff? Badly
corroded cases could be weakened but bullets? For what its worth
either fine steel wool, or a Scotchbrite pad should easily remove that
lead carbonate.

Casady

Casady


I noticed it most with promo .22 rf like "Thunderbolts" and I shot
them up anyway. In a Norrell 10-22 it really doesn't make that much
difference if you lose a few minutes of angle down range, there will
be another round coming along about 60ms later.


I only shoot copper-coated bullets in my semi-auto handguns. I like
CCI's mini-mags in the .22 and Blazer Brass in the others. I only shoot
targets, and not formally, so this ammo is good enough for me. No
misfeeds, ftfs or other problems, either. I used Winchester white box
for a while, but thought it was "dirty."

Always use jacketed rounds when you are shooting your personal weapons.
If you go on the cheap side and buy a box of lead ball ammo you will
spend the next week cleaning the action to get all of the residue out.