On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:57:41 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 11:35:52 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

i think they're operating cost comparison's are W-A-A-A-Y overboard.
("Overboard" pardon the pun)

For one thing, they're using gasoline and diesel at the same purchase
costs....

Yes but that's the least of it in my opinion. It is difficult, if
not impossible to build a reliable, high output, lightweight diesel.
If it were possible lots of other people would have done it by now.
High power to weight ratio is what outboards excel at - diesels, not
so much.

Well, Mercedes is racing a high rpm short stroke diesel and it seems
to work well. I think they even make a car with one - I'm not a
Mercedes guy so what do I know.

Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:03:40 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Software is ****ing with me.
Make that methane. [Des Moines gets 10 000 hp from the gas from the
landfill.]

Casady

Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:03:40 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.
Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Software is ****ing with me.
Make that methane. [Des Moines gets 10 000 hp from the gas from the
landfill.]

I have a landfill near me that is burning off methane. The county wants
to put in a generator and use the methane to produce electricity. This
electricity would provide enough power for about 2500 homes in the area
for about 30 to 50 years. But, the freaking NIMBY's are crying about the
noise of the generator and in the same breath whining about how global
warming is going to kill us all in a few years.

I am all for the project. I live 2 miles away and I wouldn't hear the
noise of the generator.

BAR wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:03:40 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.
Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Software is ****ing with me.
Make that methane. [Des Moines gets 10 000 hp from the gas from the
landfill.]

I have a landfill near me that is burning off methane. The county wants
to put in a generator and use the methane to produce electricity. This
electricity would provide enough power for about 2500 homes in the area
for about 30 to 50 years. But, the freaking NIMBY's are crying about the
noise of the generator and in the same breath whining about how global
warming is going to kill us all in a few years.

I am all for the project. I live 2 miles away and I wouldn't hear the
noise of the generator.


That's because of the strip mining facility a mile away, right?

Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:03:40 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.
Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Software is ****ing with me.
Make that methane. [Des Moines gets 10 000 hp from the gas from the
landfill.]

I have a landfill near me that is burning off methane. The county
wants to put in a generator and use the methane to produce
electricity. This electricity would provide enough power for about
2500 homes in the area for about 30 to 50 years. But, the freaking
NIMBY's are crying about the noise of the generator and in the same
breath whining about how global warming is going to kill us all in a
few years.

I am all for the project. I live 2 miles away and I wouldn't hear the
noise of the generator.


That's because of the strip mining facility a mile away, right?

Yeah, a strip mine!

"BAR" wrote in message
...
Boater wrote:
BAR wrote:
Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:03:40 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.
Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Software is ****ing with me.
Make that methane. [Des Moines gets 10 000 hp from the gas from the
landfill.]

I have a landfill near me that is burning off methane. The county wants
to put in a generator and use the methane to produce electricity. This
electricity would provide enough power for about 2500 homes in the area
for about 30 to 50 years. But, the freaking NIMBY's are crying about the
noise of the generator and in the same breath whining about how global
warming is going to kill us all in a few years.

I am all for the project. I live 2 miles away and I wouldn't hear the
noise of the generator.


That's because of the strip mining facility a mile away, right?

Yeah, a strip mine!

Or is that a strip club?

On Dec 29, 11:03*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Runs on YOU?

LOL!

300 RPM? How about 600 hp at 80!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxssIc4HUNM

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:12:20 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

On Dec 29, 11:03*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Runs on YOU?

LOL!

300 RPM? How about 600 hp at 80!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxssIc4HUNM

Pfffhhhttttt.....

That's just the starter for this one:

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/

108,920 hp at 102 rpm

On Dec 30, 6:43*pm, Tom Francis
wrote:
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 16:12:20 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:



On Dec 29, 11:03*am, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis

wrote:
Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Runs on YOU?

LOL!

300 RPM? *How about 600 hp at 80!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxssIc4HUNM

Pfffhhhttttt.....

That's just the starter for this one:

http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/

108,920 hp at 102 rpm

But Tom, Richard was talking about "Gasoline" fueled engines