On Dec 29, 1:39*pm, Boater wrote:
Calif Bill wrote:
"hk" wrote in message
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Calif Bill wrote:
"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:43:09 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 09:01:05 -0800, CalifBill wrote:

http://www.megoutboard.com/index.php

Wonder how they would work on a triple engine Grady?
To me, it doesn't seem that the advantages of a diesel translate well
to
an outboard engine, especially a turbo diesel. *Am I missing something?
Yes. *It's just another pitiful attempt by the four stroke crowd to
salvage something out of their ancient technology in the face of
clearly superior two stroke, direct injected technology. *Namely ETECs
which, as we all know, are the wave (get it wave?) of the future. *:)

Sad isn't it?
Those ancient 4 strokes do not blow up as often as those Evinrude Etec
forerunner clones.

My prediction is that with the economy in the dumpster, and that includes
the sale of new boats, the owner of Evinrude's tradename will soon put it
on the block.

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Probably not. *If they belly up, the name will have very little value..

Well, the Evinrude division cannot really go belly up, can it? I mean,
it is an owned subsidiary of another corporation. I don't believe it
publishes its own balance sheet. But it can become unprofitable to the
point its owners liquidate it.

It's kind of a sad story. Evinrude and Johnson were *the* motors to own,
at least on the East Coast for salt water use until about the mid-1960s.
Then Mercury began to clobber them in overall sales, and then it was
Yamaha's turn, especially in the Chesapeake Bay area and, according to
my Milford buddy, in that part of Connecticut, too. When I lived in
Florida, Merc was the big name, but Yamaha was biting at its heels.

In the mid-Bay area, there are very few newer Evinrudes.- Hide quoted text -

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Bull****. I'll bet good money that the number of Evinrudes in the
Chesapeake Bay area is representative of their market share elsewhere
in the U.S. Want to take THAT bet, or will you back out of it like
usual?

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:17:46 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Wrongo. The only point is economy. If not for that they wouldn't even
exist. As for low RPM Arrow makes a 25 hp, 396 CID spark engine. One
cylinder. Designed to run for fifty years at 300 RPM with
maintainance,usually just an oil change, once a year. You can get a
1000 hp diesel that size. The diesel is lighter.

That's a good point. In fact, I've seen one of those engines a while
back.

However, I would still point out that while economy is an important
feature, it's still torgue and horsepower at low rpms. Otherwise, what
would be the point?

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:39:51 -0800, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Tom Francis" wrote in message
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 11:43:09 -0600, wrote:

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 09:01:05 -0800, CalifBill wrote:

http://www.megoutboard.com/index.php

Wonder how they would work on a triple engine Grady?

To me, it doesn't seem that the advantages of a diesel translate well to
an outboard engine, especially a turbo diesel. Am I missing something?

Yes. It's just another pitiful attempt by the four stroke crowd to
salvage something out of their ancient technology in the face of
clearly superior two stroke, direct injected technology. Namely ETECs
which, as we all know, are the wave (get it wave?) of the future. :)

Sad isn't it?

Those ancient 4 strokes do not blow up as often as those Evinrude Etec
forerunner clones.

Oh yeah - bring up a little bitty minor problem.

I mean come on - teeny weeny incident with a few 150 hp engines and
suddenly the whole world is falling down. :)

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:39:18 -0500, Boater
wrote:

In the mid-Bay area, there are very few newer Evinrudes.

You know, you keep saying that, but traveling down 95 a week or so
ago, I didn't see one Yamaha hanging off the ends of boats down 95.
Saw a few Verados, an Optimax and six Evinrude ETECS, but not one
Yamaha. Most of the boats had Maryland registrations, one was
Virginia - couldn't see the others as they were on the other side of
the road.

Maybe you need to get out of a marina that only caters to Parker
owners and see the brighter world around you.

Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:39:18 -0500, Boater
wrote:


Maybe you need to get out of a marina that only caters to Parker
owners and see the brighter world around you.

I think you used too many words in that sentence. Let me correct it.

"Maybe you need to get out and actually use your Parker"

Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:39:18 -0500, Boater
wrote:


Maybe you need to get out of a marina that only caters to Parker
owners and see the brighter world around you.

I think you used too many words in that sentence. Let me correct it.

"Maybe you need to get out and actually use your Parker"

What a vision. A marina full of monkeypuke yellow boats with low transoms.

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:03:40 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.

Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Software is ****ing with me.
Make that methane. [Des Moines gets 10 000 hp from the gas from the
landfill.]

Casady

Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:39:18 -0500, Boater
wrote:

In the mid-Bay area, there are very few newer Evinrudes.

You know, you keep saying that, but traveling down 95 a week or so
ago, I didn't see one Yamaha hanging off the ends of boats down 95.
Saw a few Verados, an Optimax and six Evinrude ETECS, but not one
Yamaha. Most of the boats had Maryland registrations, one was
Virginia - couldn't see the others as they were on the other side of
the road.

Maybe you need to get out of a marina that only caters to Parker
owners and see the brighter world around you.


Tom, we have an Evinrude dealer in the marina. It's the only place I see
eTecs...one on the back of the state DNR boat, one on a center console,
and one or two in the dealer's shop. Sorry.

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:00:10 -0500, Jim wrote:

Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Tom Francis wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:39:18 -0500, Boater
wrote:


Maybe you need to get out of a marina that only caters to Parker
owners and see the brighter world around you.

I think you used too many words in that sentence. Let me correct it.

"Maybe you need to get out and actually use your Parker"

What a vision. A marina full of monkeypuke yellow boats with low transoms.

And battleship gray engines. :)

Richard Casady wrote:
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:03:40 GMT, (Richard
Casady) wrote:

On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:53:54 GMT, Tom Francis
wrote:

Then again, your point is well taken - the whole point of diesels is
lots of power at low rpms.
Nonsense. The only point to Diesels is fuel economy. Were that not so,
they wouldn't even exist. They have both gasoline and steam beat in
that regard. That is what you get in exchange for cost and weight.
They make 300 RPM gas engines by the way. Caterpillar makes large,
slow turning, spark ignition engines. They mostly run on me

Software is ****ing with me.
Make that methane. [Des Moines gets 10 000 hp from the gas from the
landfill.]

I have a landfill near me that is burning off methane. The county wants
to put in a generator and use the methane to produce electricity. This
electricity would provide enough power for about 2500 homes in the area
for about 30 to 50 years. But, the freaking NIMBY's are crying about the
noise of the generator and in the same breath whining about how global
warming is going to kill us all in a few years.

I am all for the project. I live 2 miles away and I wouldn't hear the
noise of the generator.