Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote:

On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote:
http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516
"One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac
Toussie,
President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and
possibly unprecedented."
[
Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty
in 2003 to
defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and
price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest
landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at
inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action
lawsuit involving 400 families.

Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's
pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his
father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just
months before the pardon petition.

The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ]

Will they be giving back the $28,000?

And HOW can they UNDO a pardon?

According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power.

If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo
it?

Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama.

--
Cliff
Maybe their check bounced???

Ha!

dennis
in nca

I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up
his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem
is that Osama won't use the power.

He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. While a
decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Otherwise it
would merely be a parole.

Jeff

On Dec 25, 1:33*pm, Jeff Mc wrote:
Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote:

On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote:
*http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516
* "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac
* Toussie,
President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and
possibly unprecedented."
[
* Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty
* in 2003 to
defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and
price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest
landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at
inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action
lawsuit involving 400 families.

Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's
pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his
father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just
months before the pardon petition.

The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ]

* Will they be giving back the $28,000?

* And HOW can they UNDO a pardon?

According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power.

* If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo
* it?

Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama.

--
Cliff
Maybe their check bounced???

Ha!

dennis
in nca

I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. *Bush, the stupid ****, gave up
his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. *Problem
is that Osama won't use the power.

He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. *While a
decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. *Otherwise it
would merely be a parole.

Jeff- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Forget it man, these guys don't care about facts, just primping for
each other..

On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:35:20 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Forget it man, these guys don't care about facts

You don't have any, eh?
--
Cliff

On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:35:20 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Forget it man, these guys don't care about facts

You don't have any, eh?

"Really, we wish you circle jerkers would keep your ignorant drool to
your own group."
--
Cliff

On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:33:43 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote:

On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote:
http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516
"One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac
Toussie,
President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and
possibly unprecedented."
[
Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty
in 2003 to
defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and
price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest
landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at
inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action
lawsuit involving 400 families.

Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's
pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his
father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just
months before the pardon petition.

The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ]

Will they be giving back the $28,000?

And HOW can they UNDO a pardon?

According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power.

If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo
it?

Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama.

--
Cliff
Maybe their check bounced???

Ha!

dennis
in nca

I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up
his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem
is that Osama won't use the power.

He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet.

How could he revoke what did not exist?

While a
decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not.

Did anyone bother to tell him & the repubs?

Otherwise it
would merely be a parole.

With neocons who knows?
The Rule of Law does not apply to them they say
(nor any laws at all I gather).


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...h-to-a-pardon/
"I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named
persons."
Did he unpardon all of them? All or none in any case I'd think.


Jeff
--
Cliff

Cliff wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:33:43 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote:

On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote:
http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516
"One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac
Toussie,
President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and
possibly unprecedented."
[
Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty
in 2003 to
defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and
price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest
landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at
inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action
lawsuit involving 400 families.

Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's
pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his
father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just
months before the pardon petition.

The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ]

Will they be giving back the $28,000?

And HOW can they UNDO a pardon?
According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power.

If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo
it?
Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama.

--
Cliff
Maybe their check bounced???
Ha!

dennis
in nca
I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up
his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem
is that Osama won't use the power.

He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet.

How could he revoke what did not exist?

While a
decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not.

Did anyone bother to tell him & the repubs?

Otherwise it
would merely be a parole.

With neocons who knows?
The Rule of Law does not apply to them they say
(nor any laws at all I gather).


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...h-to-a-pardon/
"I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named
persons."
Did he unpardon all of them? All or none in any case I'd think.

Jeff

\

Cheney probably has his pardon tucked into his jacket pocket.

On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 15:29:05 -0500, Boater wrote:

Cliff wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:33:43 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote:

On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote:
http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516
"One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac
Toussie,
President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and
possibly unprecedented."
[
Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty
in 2003 to
defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and
price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest
landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at
inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action
lawsuit involving 400 families.

Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's
pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his
father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just
months before the pardon petition.

The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ]

Will they be giving back the $28,000?

And HOW can they UNDO a pardon?
According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power.

If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo
it?
Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama.

--
Cliff
Maybe their check bounced???
Ha!

dennis
in nca
I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up
his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem
is that Osama won't use the power.

He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet.

How could he revoke what did not exist?

While a
decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not.

Did anyone bother to tell him & the repubs?

Otherwise it
would merely be a parole.

With neocons who knows?
The Rule of Law does not apply to them they say
(nor any laws at all I gather).


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...h-to-a-pardon/
"I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named
persons."
Did he unpardon all of them? All or none in any case I'd think.

Jeff

\

Cheney probably has his pardon tucked into his jacket pocket.

Cliff provides a lot of solace, doesn't he? I'm glad for you.

Hope your Christmas day is great!
--
John

Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!

"Boater" wrote in message
...
Cliff wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:33:43 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote:

On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote:
http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516
"One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac
Toussie,
President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and
possibly unprecedented."
[
Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty
in 2003 to
defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and
price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest
landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at
inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action
lawsuit involving 400 families.

Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's
pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his
father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just
months before the pardon petition.

The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ]

Will they be giving back the $28,000?

And HOW can they UNDO a pardon?
According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power.

If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now
undo
it?
Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama.

--
Cliff
Maybe their check bounced???
Ha!

dennis
in nca
I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up
his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up.
Problem is that Osama won't use the power.

He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet.

How could he revoke what did not exist?

While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not.

Did anyone bother to tell him & the repubs?

Otherwise it would merely be a parole.

With neocons who knows?
The Rule of Law does not apply to them they say
(nor any laws at all I gather).


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...h-to-a-pardon/
"I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named
persons."
Did he unpardon all of them? All or none in any case I'd think.

Jeff

\

Cheney probably has his pardon tucked into his jacket pocket.


Did you happen to notice Cheney is on your Yale list?

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Cliff wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:33:43 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote:

On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote:
http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516
"One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac
Toussie,
President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and
possibly unprecedented."
[
Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty
in 2003 to
defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and
price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest
landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at
inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action
lawsuit involving 400 families.

Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's
pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his
father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just
months before the pardon petition.

The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ]

Will they be giving back the $28,000?

And HOW can they UNDO a pardon?
According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power.

If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now
undo
it?
Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama.

--
Cliff
Maybe their check bounced???
Ha!

dennis
in nca
I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up
his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up.
Problem is that Osama won't use the power.

He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet.
How could he revoke what did not exist?

While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not.
Did anyone bother to tell him & the repubs?

Otherwise it would merely be a parole.
With neocons who knows?
The Rule of Law does not apply to them they say
(nor any laws at all I gather).


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...h-to-a-pardon/
"I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named
persons."
Did he unpardon all of them? All or none in any case I'd think.

Jeff
\

Cheney probably has his pardon tucked into his jacket pocket.


Did you happen to notice Cheney is on your Yale list?

Eisboch




So what? I've never stated or implied Cheney was stupid. He's not; he's
very smart. He's just evil. :)

Note that it isn't *my* list. I swiped it.