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http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516
"One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? -- Cliff |
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On Dec 25, 9:50*am, Cliff wrote:
*http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 * "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ * Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] * Will they be giving back the $28,000? * And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? * If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? dennis in nca |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote:
On Dec 25, 9:50Â*am, Cliff wrote: Â*http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 Â* "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Â* Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Â* Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty Â* in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Â* Will they be giving back the $28,000? Â* And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. Â* If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo Â* it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 Days More of George Walker Bush Plundering the Economy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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rigger wrote:
On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Maybe we shouldn't be too quick to criticize Bush for actually trying to correct one of his screw-ups, albeit a minor one, for once. The result is more important than the motivation. Jeff |
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Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Otherwise it would merely be a parole. Jeff |
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On Dec 25, 1:33*pm, Jeff Mc wrote:
Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: *http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 * "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac * Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ * Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty * in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] * Will they be giving back the $28,000? * And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. * If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo * it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. *Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. *Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. *While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. *Otherwise it would merely be a parole. Jeff- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Forget it man, these guys don't care about facts, just primping for each other.. |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:33:43 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:
Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. How could he revoke what did not exist? While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Did anyone bother to tell him & the repubs? Otherwise it would merely be a parole. With neocons who knows? The Rule of Law does not apply to them they say (nor any laws at all I gather). http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...h-to-a-pardon/ "I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named persons." Did he unpardon all of them? All or none in any case I'd think. Jeff -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:35:20 -0800 (PST), wrote:
Forget it man, these guys don't care about facts You don't have any, eh? -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:29:45 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:
rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Maybe we shouldn't be too quick to criticize Bush for actually trying to correct one of his screw-ups, albeit a minor one, for once. The result is more important than the motivation. It's a process. Can he unscramble eggs too? Jeff -- Cliff |
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