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"One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? -- Cliff |
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On Dec 25, 9:50*am, Cliff wrote:
*http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 * "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ * Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] * Will they be giving back the $28,000? * And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? * If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? dennis in nca |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote:
On Dec 25, 9:50Â*am, Cliff wrote: Â*http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 Â* "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Â* Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Â* Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty Â* in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Â* Will they be giving back the $28,000? Â* And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. Â* If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo Â* it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 Days More of George Walker Bush Plundering the Economy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Maybe we shouldn't be too quick to criticize Bush for actually trying to correct one of his screw-ups, albeit a minor one, for once. The result is more important than the motivation. Jeff |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Otherwise it would merely be a parole. Jeff |
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On Dec 25, 1:33*pm, Jeff Mc wrote:
Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: *http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 * "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac * Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ * Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty * in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] * Will they be giving back the $28,000? * And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. * If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo * it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. *Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. *Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. *While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. *Otherwise it would merely be a parole. Jeff- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Forget it man, these guys don't care about facts, just primping for each other.. |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:33:43 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:
Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. How could he revoke what did not exist? While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Did anyone bother to tell him & the repubs? Otherwise it would merely be a parole. With neocons who knows? The Rule of Law does not apply to them they say (nor any laws at all I gather). http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...h-to-a-pardon/ "I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named persons." Did he unpardon all of them? All or none in any case I'd think. Jeff -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:29:45 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:
rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Maybe we shouldn't be too quick to criticize Bush for actually trying to correct one of his screw-ups, albeit a minor one, for once. The result is more important than the motivation. It's a process. Can he unscramble eggs too? Jeff -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:29:45 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:
rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Maybe we shouldn't be too quick to criticize Bush for actually trying to correct one of his screw-ups, albeit a minor one, for once. The result is more important than the motivation. Can he execute those found innocent too? Jeff -- Cliff |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:29:45 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote: rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Maybe we shouldn't be too quick to criticize Bush for actually trying to correct one of his screw-ups, albeit a minor one, for once. The result is more important than the motivation. It's a process. Can he unscramble eggs too? It happens all the time in the legal system. At the last minute, rulings, plea deals, etc. fall through after they are reached or announced, but before they become official. Personally, I think Bush might have a bit of trouble scrambling eggs in the first place. But he'd have no trouble breaking them; he's good at breaking things. Jeff |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:33:43 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote: Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. How could he revoke what did not exist? While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Did anyone bother to tell him & the repubs? Otherwise it would merely be a parole. With neocons who knows? The Rule of Law does not apply to them they say (nor any laws at all I gather). http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...h-to-a-pardon/ "I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named persons." Did he unpardon all of them? All or none in any case I'd think. Jeff \ Cheney probably has his pardon tucked into his jacket pocket. |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 15:29:05 -0500, Boater wrote:
Cliff wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:33:43 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote: Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. How could he revoke what did not exist? While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Did anyone bother to tell him & the repubs? Otherwise it would merely be a parole. With neocons who knows? The Rule of Law does not apply to them they say (nor any laws at all I gather). http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...h-to-a-pardon/ "I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named persons." Did he unpardon all of them? All or none in any case I'd think. Jeff \ Cheney probably has his pardon tucked into his jacket pocket. Cliff provides a lot of solace, doesn't he? I'm glad for you. Hope your Christmas day is great! -- John Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year! |
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On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:29:45 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:
rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Maybe we shouldn't be too quick to criticize Bush for actually trying to correct one of his screw-ups, albeit a minor one, for once. The result is more important than the motivation. True, the result was most excellent. Bush created a precedent for future Presidents to overturn his midnight 19 January 2009 pardons. Jeff -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 Days More of George Walker Bush Plundering the Economy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... Cliff wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:33:43 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote: Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. How could he revoke what did not exist? While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Did anyone bother to tell him & the repubs? Otherwise it would merely be a parole. With neocons who knows? The Rule of Law does not apply to them they say (nor any laws at all I gather). http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...h-to-a-pardon/ "I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named persons." Did he unpardon all of them? All or none in any case I'd think. Jeff \ Cheney probably has his pardon tucked into his jacket pocket. Did you happen to notice Cheney is on your Yale list? Eisboch |
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"Boater" wrote in message ... Cliff wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:33:43 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote: Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. How could he revoke what did not exist? While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Did anyone bother to tell him & the repubs? Otherwise it would merely be a parole. With neocons who knows? The Rule of Law does not apply to them they say (nor any laws at all I gather). http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...h-to-a-pardon/ "I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named persons." Did he unpardon all of them? All or none in any case I'd think. Jeff \ Cheney probably has his pardon tucked into his jacket pocket. Did you happen to notice Cheney is on your Yale list? Eisboch So what? I've never stated or implied Cheney was stupid. He's not; he's very smart. He's just evil. :) Note that it isn't *my* list. I swiped it. |
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On Dec 25, 6:45 pm, Jeff Mc wrote:
D Murphy wrote: Jeff Mc wrote in t: Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Otherwise it would merely be a parole. Presidential pardons can and have been reversed. Really? That's news me. got a cite hardy? I'd like to learn more. Jeff Lets compare the ethics of two presidential pardons. Rich was pardoned by Clinton after he cheated the USA out of 250 million in taxes. Later, Rich made campaign contributions to Hillary. Bush pardons this guy and then finds he contributed $25,000 to the RNC and rescinds the pardon. Who is more ethical? Are Dems even capable of reasoning? |
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@bignews5.bellsouth.net: D Murphy wrote: Jeff Mc wrote in : Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Otherwise it would merely be a parole. Presidential pardons can and have been reversed. Really? That's news me. got a cite hardy? I'd like to learn more. No I don't. But there's this search engine called Google and if you use it you can find loads of them. Like this one - http://pardonpower.com/2008/12/can-president-revoke-pardon-he-has.html Presidents can revoke pardons and commutations issued by other presidents as well as ones they issued themselves. HTH -- Dan CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d |
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On Dec 25, 6:45 pm, Jeff Mc wrote: D Murphy wrote: Jeff Mc wrote in : Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Otherwise it would merely be a parole. Presidential pardons can and have been reversed. Really? That's news me. got a cite hardy? I'd like to learn more. Jeff Lets compare the ethics of two presidential pardons. Rich was pardoned by Clinton after he cheated the USA out of 250 million in taxes. Later, Rich made campaign contributions to Hillary. Bush pardons this guy and then finds he contributed $25,000 to the RNC and rescinds the pardon. Who is more ethical? Are Dems even capable of reasoning? WMDs, Katrina aftermath, destruction of the economy, denial of science, Terry Schiavo. No reasoning whatsoever, just bull****, on the GOP side. |
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On Dec 25, 12:50*pm, Cliff wrote:
*http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 * "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ * Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] * Will they be giving back the $28,000? They should buy O'bamas senate seat. |
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:48:21 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote: On Dec 25, 6:45 pm, Jeff Mc wrote: D Murphy wrote: Jeff Mc wrote in t: Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Otherwise it would merely be a parole. Presidential pardons can and have been reversed. Really? That's news me. got a cite hardy? I'd like to learn more. Jeff Lets compare the ethics of two presidential pardons. Rich was pardoned by Clinton after he cheated the USA out of 250 million in taxes. Later, Rich made campaign contributions to Hillary. Bush pardons this guy and then finds he contributed $25,000 to the RNC and rescinds the pardon. Who is more ethical? Are Dems even capable of reasoning? Point, set and match. |
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:14:11 -0500, Boater
wrote: Lets compare the ethics of two presidential pardons. Rich was pardoned by Clinton after he cheated the USA out of 250 million in taxes. Later, Rich made campaign contributions to Hillary. Bush pardons this guy and then finds he contributed $25,000 to the RNC and rescinds the pardon. Who is more ethical? Are Dems even capable of reasoning? WMDs, Katrina aftermath, destruction of the economy, denial of science, Terry Schiavo. No reasoning whatsoever, just bull****, on the Democrat side Thanks Bloater for the admission Gunner |
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:36:52 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:48:21 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch wrote: On Dec 25, 6:45 pm, Jeff Mc wrote: D Murphy wrote: Jeff Mc wrote in t: Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Otherwise it would merely be a parole. Presidential pardons can and have been reversed. Really? That's news me. got a cite hardy? I'd like to learn more. Jeff Lets compare the ethics of two presidential pardons. Rich was pardoned by Clinton after he cheated the USA out of 250 million in taxes. Later, Rich made campaign contributions to Hillary. Bush pardons this guy and then finds he contributed $25,000 to the RNC and rescinds the pardon. Who is more ethical? Are Dems even capable of reasoning? Point, set and match. Yeah, the Republicans are cheaper to bribe than Democrats. Nobody won and society loses in either case. -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 Days More of George Walker Bush Plundering the Economy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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On 25 Dec 2008 22:07:21 GMT, D Murphy wrote:
Cliff wrote in : On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:33:43 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote: Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. How could he revoke what did not exist? Pardons can be revoked. A pardon is not parole or probation. While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Did anyone bother to tell him & the repubs? Seems they know more about it than ou do. It's good that they are wise lawyers then, eh? Otherwise it would merely be a parole. With neocons who knows? The Rule of Law does not apply to them they say (nor any laws at all I gather). The laws that exist only in your head? So a pardon is not a pardon? Is it a banquer? Or are you thinking of a criminal pardon? In which case shrubco is the guilty party for taking the $28,000 and can be tried for it but the pardon is still valid I think. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ds-suggest-pat h-to-a-pardon/ "I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named persons." Did he unpardon all of them? All or none in any case I'd think. Nope. Then he could not have revoked the document as it was for all those named in it so if he had tried all pardons would have been "revoked". http://www.concurringopinions.com/ar...e_preside.html http://www.bloggernews.net/119165 "Mayday Over Ohio: Another Rove Enemy Goes Down in Flames" -- Cliff |
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On 25 Dec 2008 22:05:07 GMT, D Murphy wrote:
Jeff Mc wrote in t: Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Otherwise it would merely be a parole. Presidential pardons can and have been reversed. Cites? How? -- Cliff |
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Cliff wrote in
: On 25 Dec 2008 22:07:21 GMT, D Murphy wrote: Cliff wrote in m: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:33:43 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote: Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. How could he revoke what did not exist? Pardons can be revoked. A pardon is not parole or probation. Duh. Pardons and commutations of sentences can still be revoked. While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Did anyone bother to tell him & the repubs? Seems they know more about it than ou do. It's good that they are wise lawyers then, eh? And your playing one on usenet carries more weight? Otherwise it would merely be a parole. With neocons who knows? The Rule of Law does not apply to them they say (nor any laws at all I gather). The laws that exist only in your head? So a pardon is not a pardon? It is. Is it a banquer? You two should just get it on and get it over with. Or are you thinking of a criminal pardon? We are duscussing presidential pardons. Focus. In which case shrubco is the guilty party for taking the $28,000 and can be tried for it but the pardon is still valid Nope. He didn't take $28,000.00, so there's the first problem with your "case." I think. And therein lies your problem. http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...ords-suggest-p at h-to-a-pardon/ "I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named persons." Did he unpardon all of them? All or none in any case I'd think. Nope. Then he could not have revoked the document as it was for all those named in it so if he had tried all pardons would have been "revoked". Huh? You seem confused. A pardon isn't some big fill-in-the-blanks form where you list everyone you want to pardon. Keep reaching. http://www.concurringopinions.com/ar...the_preside.ht ml It could be revoked by the next president anyway. You need to let it go. He's never going to be arrested, charged, or tried for anything. http://www.bloggernews.net/119165 "Mayday Over Ohio: Another Rove Enemy Goes Down in Flames" You sure love your conspiracy k00ks, Sancho. -- Dan CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d |
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On Dec 27, 4:02*pm, D Murphy wrote:
wrote in news:ede6df2a-5d07-4470-a012- : ÿ Will they be giving back the $28,000? They should buy O'bamas senate seat. That's not nearly enough money. It appears to be $25,000.00 minimum for an appointed state job. State contracts sell for more. Senate seats according to Blago are "****ing golden." We have testimony in Federal court that state jobs and contracts were sold in exchange for donations to Blagojevich's campaign. The natural question would be; who was running that campaign and just how much did the campaign managers know about it. The answer is Blagojevich, Emanuel, Obama, and Wilhelm ran the campaign. I find it hard to believe that any member of this team who ran the budget, hustled donations, bought advertising, and met regularly didn't know what was going on. Did Obama not want to deal for the seat because he figured Blago owed him? Or did he suddenly find some ethics? Time will tell. I know I'm resting easier now that the Obama transition team has finished its investigation into the Obama transition team and much to my surprise found no evidence of "inappropriate" contact with Blago. Case closed. At least until Blago gets convicted and decides to sing like Rezko and the rest. Obama will be into his third year by then. -- Dan CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d Hopefully, the feds have made copies of the tapes because once the new administration puts their guy in charge of the FBI... |
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:14:41 -0800, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:
On Dec 27, 4:02Â*pm, D Murphy wrote: wrote in news:ede6df2a-5d07-4470-a012- : ÿ Will they be giving back the $28,000? They should buy O'bamas senate seat. That's not nearly enough money. It appears to be $25,000.00 minimum for an appointed state job. State contracts sell for more. Senate seats according to Blago are "****ing golden." We have testimony in Federal court that state jobs and contracts were sold in exchange for donations to Blagojevich's campaign. The natural question would be; who was running that campaign and just how much did the campaign managers know about it. The answer is Blagojevich, Emanuel, Obama, and Wilhelm ran the campaign. I find it hard to believe that any member of this team who ran the budget, hustled donations, bought advertising, and met regularly didn't know what was going on. Did Obama not want to deal for the seat because he figured Blago owed him? Or did he suddenly find some ethics? Time will tell. I know I'm resting easier now that the Obama transition team has finished its investigation into the Obama transition team and much to my surprise found no evidence of "inappropriate" contact with Blago. Case closed. At least until Blago gets convicted and decides to sing like Rezko and the rest. Obama will be into his third year by then. -- Dan CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d Hopefully, the feds have made copies of the tapes because once the new administration puts their guy in charge of the FBI... Aren't you the guy who was going to support the new president? -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 23 Days More of George Walker Bush Plundering the Economy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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On 28 Dec 2008 04:38:47 GMT, Curly Surmudgeon
wrote: On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:14:41 -0800, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote: On Dec 27, 4:02*pm, D Murphy wrote: wrote in news:ede6df2a-5d07-4470-a012- : ÿ Will they be giving back the $28,000? They should buy O'bamas senate seat. That's not nearly enough money. It appears to be $25,000.00 minimum for an appointed state job. State contracts sell for more. Senate seats according to Blago are "****ing golden." We have testimony in Federal court that state jobs and contracts were sold in exchange for donations to Blagojevich's campaign. The natural question would be; who was running that campaign and just how much did the campaign managers know about it. The answer is Blagojevich, Emanuel, Obama, and Wilhelm ran the campaign. I find it hard to believe that any member of this team who ran the budget, hustled donations, bought advertising, and met regularly didn't know what was going on. Did Obama not want to deal for the seat because he figured Blago owed him? Or did he suddenly find some ethics? Time will tell. I know I'm resting easier now that the Obama transition team has finished its investigation into the Obama transition team and much to my surprise found no evidence of "inappropriate" contact with Blago. Case closed. At least until Blago gets convicted and decides to sing like Rezko and the rest. Obama will be into his third year by then. -- Dan CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d Hopefully, the feds have made copies of the tapes because once the new administration puts their guy in charge of the FBI... Aren't you the guy who was going to support the new president? He's waiting until the new president is sworn in. |
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Curly Surmudgeon wrote in news:495702d6$0
: On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:14:41 -0800, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote: On Dec 27, 4:02Â*pm, D Murphy wrote: wrote in news:ede6df2a-5d07-4470-a012- : ÿ Will they be giving back the $28,000? They should buy O'bamas senate seat. That's not nearly enough money. It appears to be $25,000.00 minimum for an appointed state job. State contracts sell for more. Senate seats according to Blago are "****ing golden." We have testimony in Federal court that state jobs and contracts were sold in exchange for donations to Blagojevich's campaign. The natural question would be; who was running that campaign and just how much did the campaign managers know about it. The answer is Blagojevich, Emanuel, Obama, and Wilhelm ran the campaign. I find it hard to believe that any member of this team who ran the budget, hustled donations, bought advertising, and met regularly didn't know what was going on. Did Obama not want to deal for the seat because he figured Blago owed him? Or did he suddenly find some ethics? Time will tell. I know I'm resting easier now that the Obama transition team has finished its investigation into the Obama transition team and much to my surprise found no evidence of "inappropriate" contact with Blago. Case closed. At least until Blago gets convicted and decides to sing like Rezko and the rest. Obama will be into his third year by then. -- Dan CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d Hopefully, the feds have made copies of the tapes because once the new administration puts their guy in charge of the FBI... Aren't you the guy who was going to support the new president? I hope he does a great job and things go well for him. But he's not president yet and there are lots of questions reporters won't ask him. Plus he's already lied about this deal. -- Dan CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d |
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:48:21 -0800 (PST), Frogwatch
wrote: Rich was pardoned by Clinton after he cheated the USA out of 250 million in taxes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cl...ns_controversy [ Federal prosecutor Mary Jo White was appointed to investigate the pardons. She was later replaced by James Comey. Comey found no grounds to indict Clinton. ..... Rich owed $48 million in taxes and was charged with 51 counts of tax fraud, was pardoned of tax evasion after clemency pleas from Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, among many other international luminaries. He was required to pay a $100 million dollar fine and waive any use of the pardon as a defense against any future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case. ..... Denise Rich ... Scooter Libby requested that she approach Clinton for a pardon. ] Looks like Clinton not only got the $48 million but another $100 million dollars in fines. Lets see gummer's' tax returns .... -- Cliff |
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On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:42:03 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote: On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:47:25 -0500, Boater wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:14:11 -0500, Boater wrote: Lets compare the ethics of two presidential pardons. Rich was pardoned by Clinton after he cheated the USA out of 250 million in taxes. Later, Rich made campaign contributions to Hillary. Bush pardons this guy and then finds he contributed $25,000 to the RNC and rescinds the pardon. Who is more ethical? Are Dems even capable of reasoning? WMDs, Katrina aftermath, destruction of the economy, denial of science, Terry Schiavo. No reasoning whatsoever, just bull****, on the Democrat side Thanks Bloater for the admission Gunner You ought to consider posting directly on rec.boats, gummy. You'll find a pestilence of posters who share your imbecilic politics and view of the world. No need to have or even be interested in boats...there are many there in that category. So why are you posting into the metalworking newsgroups? Id be terribly surprised if you could operate a cordless drill motor without a catastrophic accident, let alone machinery weighing many tons and holding microns of accuracy when cutting metals. Frankly, your constant crossposting into the two metalworking groups and showing everyone your ass, appears to be a pathetic cry for attention. I notice you have largely worn out your welcome on the boat newsgroup, ...its not even in your the cross post list. Most of your posts are not. One assumes you have come over to the metalworking groups, and left out your boat group, because you really didnt want the other there, who already hold you in deep contempt, from seeing you get your ass handed to you in such a regular fashion. **** off, ****mere. Its no wonder they call you Bloater. Gunner |
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Cliff wrote:
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:42:03 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:47:25 -0500, Boater wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:14:11 -0500, Boater wrote: Lets compare the ethics of two presidential pardons. Rich was pardoned by Clinton after he cheated the USA out of 250 million in taxes. Later, Rich made campaign contributions to Hillary. Bush pardons this guy and then finds he contributed $25,000 to the RNC and rescinds the pardon. Who is more ethical? Are Dems even capable of reasoning? WMDs, Katrina aftermath, destruction of the economy, denial of science, Terry Schiavo. No reasoning whatsoever, just bull****, on the Democrat side Thanks Bloater for the admission Gunner You ought to consider posting directly on rec.boats, gummy. You'll find a pestilence of posters who share your imbecilic politics and view of the world. No need to have or even be interested in boats...there are many there in that category. So why are you posting into the metalworking newsgroups? Id be terribly surprised if you could operate a cordless drill motor without a catastrophic accident, let alone machinery weighing many tons and holding microns of accuracy when cutting metals. Frankly, your constant crossposting into the two metalworking groups and showing everyone your ass, appears to be a pathetic cry for attention. I notice you have largely worn out your welcome on the boat newsgroup, ...its not even in your the cross post list. Most of your posts are not. One assumes you have come over to the metalworking groups, and left out your boat group, because you really didnt want the other there, who already hold you in deep contempt, from seeing you get your ass handed to you in such a regular fashion. **** off, ****mere. Its no wonder they call you Bloater. Gunner Gummy is sooooooo easy... :) What a tool. |
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On 26 Dec 2008 21:00:05 GMT, D Murphy wrote:
Jeff Mc wrote in news:3RU4l.12899$nD1.11317 : D Murphy wrote: Jeff Mc wrote in : Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote: On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote: http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516 "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie, President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly unprecedented." [ Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families. Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon petition. The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ] Will they be giving back the $28,000? And HOW can they UNDO a pardon? According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power. If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo it? Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama. -- Cliff Maybe their check bounced??? Ha! dennis in nca I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem is that Osama won't use the power. He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet. While a decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not. Otherwise it would merely be a parole. Presidential pardons can and have been reversed. Really? That's news me. got a cite hardy? I'd like to learn more. No I don't. But there's this search engine called Google and if you use it you can find loads of them. Like this one - http://pardonpower.com/2008/12/can-president-revoke-pardon-he-has.html That looks like bunkum. I did some searches g. Presidents can revoke pardons and commutations issued by other presidents as well as ones they issued themselves. HTH HTH -- Cliff |
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On 27 Dec 2008 21:02:48 GMT, D Murphy wrote:
I know I'm resting easier now that the Obama transition team has finished its investigation into the Obama transition team and much to my surprise found no evidence of "inappropriate" contact with Blago. Neither did the federal prosecutor. They don't even like each other IIRC. -- Cliff |
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On 28 Dec 2008 18:30:13 GMT, D Murphy wrote:
Plus he's already lied about this deal. I don't recall hearing from bush or SureShot but I may have missed it. -- Cliff |
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:34:47 -0800, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:
On Dec 27, 11:38Â*pm, Curly Surmudgeon wrote: On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:14:41 -0800, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote: On Dec 27, 4:02Â*pm, D Murphy wrote: wrote in news:ede6df2a-5d07-4470-a012- : ÿ Will they be giving back the $28,000? They should buy O'bamas senate seat. That's not nearly enough money. It appears to be $25,000.00 minimum for an appointed state job. State contracts sell for more. Senate seats according to Blago are "****ing golden." We have testimony in Federal court that state jobs and contracts were sold in exchange for donations to Blagojevich's campaign. The natural question would be; who was running that campaign and just how much did the campaign managers know about it. The answer is Blagojevich, Emanuel, Obama, and Wilhelm ran the campaign. I find it hard to believe that any member of this team who ran the budget, hustled donations, bought advertising, and met regularly didn't know what was going on. Did Obama not want to deal for the seat because he figured Blago owed him? Or did he suddenly find some ethics? Time will tell. I know I'm resting easier now that the Obama transition team has finished its investigation into the Obama transition team and much to my surprise found no evidence of "inappropriate" contact with Blago. Case closed. At least until Blago gets convicted and decides to sing like Rezko and the rest. Obama will be into his third year by then. -- Dan CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d Hopefully, the feds have made copies of the tapes because once the new administration puts their guy in charge of the FBI... Aren't you the guy who was going to support the new president? -- Regards, Curly He isn't the new president yet. Then are we to believe that on January 21st you'll unreservedly support Obama and lamblast Bush? Until then, he's a suspec, no? I have no idea what a "suspec" is. -- Regards, Curly ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 20 Days More of George Walker Bush Plundering the Economy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:35:50 -0500, Boater
wrote: Cliff wrote: On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:42:03 -0800, Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:47:25 -0500, Boater wrote: Gunner Asch wrote: On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 17:14:11 -0500, Boater wrote: Lets compare the ethics of two presidential pardons. Rich was pardoned by Clinton after he cheated the USA out of 250 million in taxes. Later, Rich made campaign contributions to Hillary. Bush pardons this guy and then finds he contributed $25,000 to the RNC and rescinds the pardon. Who is more ethical? Are Dems even capable of reasoning? WMDs, Katrina aftermath, destruction of the economy, denial of science, Terry Schiavo. No reasoning whatsoever, just bull****, on the Democrat side Thanks Bloater for the admission Gunner You ought to consider posting directly on rec.boats, gummy. You'll find a pestilence of posters who share your imbecilic politics and view of the world. No need to have or even be interested in boats...there are many there in that category. So why are you posting into the metalworking newsgroups? Id be terribly surprised if you could operate a cordless drill motor without a catastrophic accident, let alone machinery weighing many tons and holding microns of accuracy when cutting metals. Frankly, your constant crossposting into the two metalworking groups and showing everyone your ass, appears to be a pathetic cry for attention. I notice you have largely worn out your welcome on the boat newsgroup, ...its not even in your the cross post list. Most of your posts are not. One assumes you have come over to the metalworking groups, and left out your boat group, because you really didnt want the other there, who already hold you in deep contempt, from seeing you get your ass handed to you in such a regular fashion. **** off, ****mere. Its no wonder they call you Bloater. Gunner Gummy is sooooooo easy... :) What a tool. Bloater is soooo easy What a fool |
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