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On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:55:56 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:

**** with us and
we will eliminate your entire gene line.

Not really possible, although I think the occasional massively, brutally
disproportionate over-reaction to provocation is likely to have a
most salutary effect on the future calculations of one's enemies.

Works well for Israel, eh?
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Cliff

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On 06 Jan 2009 05:55:30 GMT, Curly Surmudgeon wrote:

it is a message to the
entire world that our policy has changed. Both parties seem to like
that word, lets use it. We are "changing" from a colonial,
interventionist, nation to one that respects the sovereignty of others.

Causing massive amounts of radiological fallout spreading across the
borders of multiple nations is rather likely to be taken by them as
disrespectful of their sovereignty, if not an outright act of war.

Pakistan deserves it for harboring al qaeda.

Many things are beyond the control of some (or all) governments.
The government is not always the problem.
Very annoyed people might be.

Get theologins to disable superstitions & don't try so hard
to force the sale of McRibs on every street corner.
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Cliff

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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:38:30 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:45:52 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:


The Neocons are just itching to begin deploying so-called tactical
nukes, maybe against Iran.


Better to use them against the Beltway and the Liberal areas of
California, such as Hollywood.

They are far more dangerous enemies of the United States.

Gummer saw "Bambi" as a kid & it scared him.


"Upon Roosevelt's death in 1945, H. L. Mencken predicted in his diary
that Roosevelt would be remembered as a great president, "maybe even
alongside Washington and Lincoln," opining that Roosevelt "had every
quality that morons esteem in their heroes.""

Don't compare him to neocons.
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Cliff

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Cliff wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:55:56 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:

**** with us and
we will eliminate your entire gene line.
Not really possible, although I think the occasional massively, brutally
disproportionate over-reaction to provocation is likely to have a
most salutary effect on the future calculations of one's enemies.

Works well for Israel, eh?


Actually, I think the Israelis have been restrained. If we had a country
on our border doing what the Hamas boys are doing, we'd nuke that country.

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Libby Loo wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote in
message ...

"Libby Loo" wrote in message
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"Cliff" wrote in message
...

Found those "WMDs" yet?

Found that birth certificate yet?

Unlike Jesus, it wasn't lost.

I'm pretty sure there is sufficient documentation of Jesus's birth :)

I'm reasonably sure there isn't ANY.

So, have you found that birth certificate yet?

It wasn't lost.
You, on the other hand, seem to be exactly that.

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'Tater

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On Jan 7, 1:57*pm, Cliff wrote:
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:43:01 -0500, Cliff wrote:
I'm pretty sure there is sufficient documentation of Jesus's birth :)

*Too bad you cannot find ANY.

* They shut up.
* How odd.
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Cliff

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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:48:36 -0800, Dan wrote:

Cliff wrote:
On 06 Jan 2009 05:55:30 GMT, Curly Surmudgeon wrote:

it is a message to the
entire world that our policy has changed. Both parties seem to like
that word, lets use it. We are "changing" from a colonial,
interventionist, nation to one that respects the sovereignty of others.
Causing massive amounts of radiological fallout spreading across the
borders of multiple nations is rather likely to be taken by them as
disrespectful of their sovereignty, if not an outright act of war.
Pakistan deserves it for harboring al qaeda.

Many things are beyond the control of some (or all) governments.
The government is not always the problem.
Very annoyed people might be.

Get theologins to disable superstitions & don't try so hard
to force the sale of McRibs on every street corner.

So, by his notion, the American public deserve severe punishment because
our stupid-**** fuhrer decided to go off and commit war crimes in our
name????

So it seems. I'm a bit shocked.

Over a million murdered, at least 4 million homeless & two or more
nations destroyed PLUS torturing & kidnapping people wholesale AND
the use of WMDs & other assorted war crimes ... with support by
most of the population & government .. unlike the claimed secret
plans/acts of one smallish secret group & bin Laden not under
any government's control or with support of the population ... and
threats of using nukes ... terrorist threats & actions ...

Sure hope I'm not around when his nuke goes off...

Dan
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Cliff

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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 07:25:05 -0800, Dave B wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:14:14 -0500, Cliff wrote:

On 05 Jan 2009 23:17:42 GMT, Curly Surmudgeon wrote:

No troops, one small nuke on Tora Bora the
day Osama took credit.

Actually, I don't recall him ever doing so.
He was just not displeased with events.
To this day the US has still not filed charges against him
nor presented any actual evidence AFAIK.
He's not even on the FBI's wanted list for the events of 9-11
last I knew.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fug.../fugitives.htm

See?
I was 100% correct (or are you reading comprehension impaired?)
He is NOT wanted for the events of 9-11.


DaveB

HTH
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Cliff

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On 07 Jan 2009 00:46:24 GMT, Curly Surmudgeon wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:14:14 -0500, Cliff wrote:

On 05 Jan 2009 23:17:42 GMT, Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:

No troops, one small nuke on Tora Bora the day Osama took credit.

Actually, I don't recall him ever doing so.

Yes, Osama has taken credit a number of times in his released videos.

Find one.

A confession is all that is necessary whether the conspiracy theories are
true or false.

Wrong in any case.
A claimed "confession" is not proof of guilt.

He was just not displeased with events. To this day the US has still
not filed charges against him nor presented any actual evidence AFAIK.

Another failure of the Bush Administration if true.

Where's the *evidence*?
You may recall that Afghanistan asked for it before considering
trying to extradite him, just as Canada or the UK or France
or Germany would have done (and probably required per internationl law
& UN rules).
It was refused.
Remember?

He's not even on the FBI's wanted list for the events of 9-11
last I knew.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fug.../fugitives.htm

Just as I said.
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Cliff

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On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:56:42 -0800, Dave B wrote:

On 07 Jan 2009 00:46:24 GMT, Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:

On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:14:14 -0500, Cliff wrote:

On 05 Jan 2009 23:17:42 GMT, Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:

No troops, one small nuke on Tora Bora the day Osama took credit.

Actually, I don't recall him ever doing so.

Yes, Osama has taken credit a number of times in his released videos. A
confession is all that is necessary whether the conspiracy theories are
true or false.

He was just not displeased with events. To this day the US has still
not filed charges against him nor presented any actual evidence AFAIK.

Another failure of the Bush Administration if true.

He's not even on the FBI's wanted list for the events of 9-11
last I knew.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fug.../fugitives.htm


He is probably on Cliff's AOL Buddy List

More likely in the WH shelters or at a dude ranch
in Texas.

Dave B
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Cliff

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Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:45:52 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
[snip]
I'm of the latter opinion. No troops, one small nuke on Tora Bora the
day Osama took credit. End of problem. Whether or not 9/11 was a
conspiracy, government involvement or solely bin Laden, none matter
when Osama took credit. At that point he signed his own death warrant.

Bush ****ed that up too, squandering world-wide sympathy, involving our
military into a ground war, giving moslems another cause to hate us,
squandering precious national resources and a death-spiral.
That would have been a threshold we would have deeply regretted
crossing,

I disagree, reasons below.

and in the worst possible region of the world in which to
cross it.

The best place to make such a stand.

The Neocons are just itching to begin deploying so-called tactical
nukes, maybe against Iran. I'm rather surprised they haven't yet. But,
in any case, as a technical matter, they would not have gotten the job
done in Tora Bora.


They already have by virtue of threats of CBR. Obama-Soetoro will
continue this policy, along with preemptive war.



I said "nuke," singular. One medium sized nuke, 20 megaton for example,
would have vaporized the entire mountain and turned the region into a
sheet of glass. Not only would it have nailed bin laden, we knew he was
there at the time, and obliterated his command hq, but sent a signal to
those who only know raw force.

Simultaneously we would have removed all our troops and bases from around
the world removing the reason Islam hates us.

Moreover, world opinion would have shifted even more rapidly and
irrevocably against us, and the entire Islamic world, including those
who are kinda, sorta with us, would have risen as one in opposition.

Naah, on 9/12 we had world opinion with us. A few might have made public
statements decrying the use but world opinion would have been, "America
finally grew a set of balls, let's not **** with them!"

All
they had to have done was commit sufficient resources to Afghanistan in
the first place, and then employ them intelligently and in a timely
manner, and they'd most likely have bagged ObL.

"...Most likely have bagged obl..." Close isn't good enough. You don't
know the history of Afghanistan, it beat the entire British Empire and
Soviet Union. With our supply lines a ground war is insane.

Instead, American
forces were used to push him towards the Pakistani border, and
unreliable indigenous forces were the only ones positioned to prevent
him from slipping across. Foolish. It struck me at the time that they
must not have really wanted to catch him.

Jeff

Osama outwitted the entire Bush administration.


So that's why Bush et al secretly shepherded the Osama families
out of the states following 9/11.

Osama said in 2001 that he didn't do it. There's no evidence to the
contrary.



Those who believe a
ground war of attrition will ever win in Afghanistan don't understand
history.


They don't care about history except that they're in it.



The idea is not to kill pawns but to kill the queen. Headless, an enemy
dies.


Unless it is a multi-headed enemy.

Get it?

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Libby Loo wrote:


"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
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"Libby Loo" wrote in message
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"John R. Carroll" wrote in
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Found those "WMDs" yet?

Found that birth certificate yet?

Unlike Jesus, it wasn't lost.

I'm pretty sure there is sufficient documentation of Jesus's birth :)

Go ahead and produce it.

How original. I asked you first.


We do have a death certificate in the Bible...

Jewish priests sent their temple guards to arrest the
interloper, Jesus, then persuaded Pilate to execute him.