On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:35:20 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Forget it man, these guys don't care about facts

You don't have any, eh?
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Cliff

On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:35:20 -0800 (PST), wrote:

Forget it man, these guys don't care about facts

You don't have any, eh?

"Really, we wish you circle jerkers would keep your ignorant drool to
your own group."
--
Cliff

On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:33:43 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote:

On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote:
http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516
"One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac
Toussie,
President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and
possibly unprecedented."
[
Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty
in 2003 to
defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and
price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest
landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at
inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action
lawsuit involving 400 families.

Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's
pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his
father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just
months before the pardon petition.

The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ]

Will they be giving back the $28,000?

And HOW can they UNDO a pardon?

According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power.

If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo
it?

Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama.

--
Cliff
Maybe their check bounced???

Ha!

dennis
in nca

I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up
his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem
is that Osama won't use the power.

He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet.

How could he revoke what did not exist?

While a
decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not.

Did anyone bother to tell him & the repubs?

Otherwise it
would merely be a parole.

With neocons who knows?
The Rule of Law does not apply to them they say
(nor any laws at all I gather).


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...h-to-a-pardon/
"I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named
persons."
Did he unpardon all of them? All or none in any case I'd think.


Jeff
--
Cliff

Cliff wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:33:43 -0600, Jeff Mc wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon wrote:
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:17:39 -0800, rigger wrote:

On Dec 25, 9:50 am, Cliff wrote:
http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516
"One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac
Toussie,
President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and
possibly unprecedented."
[
Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty
in 2003 to
defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and
price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest
landowners on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at
inflated prices, largely to minorities, in an ongoing class-action
lawsuit involving 400 families.

Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's
pardon, at least in part because of news reports revealing that his
father gave over $28,000 to the Republican National Committee just
months before the pardon petition.

The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President. ]

Will they be giving back the $28,000?

And HOW can they UNDO a pardon?
According to Bush/Cheney the Executive has absolute power.

If he pardon's SureShot, himself, Rumsfeld & crew can Obama now undo
it?
Absolute power would indeed grant that power to Obama.

--
Cliff
Maybe their check bounced???
Ha!

dennis
in nca
I think Cliff hit the nail on the head. Bush, the stupid ****, gave up
his absolute right to a self-imposed pardon with this cover up. Problem
is that Osama won't use the power.

He probably just hadn't signed or filed the paperwork yet.

How could he revoke what did not exist?

While a
decision to pardon is reversible, an actual pardon is not.

Did anyone bother to tell him & the repubs?

Otherwise it
would merely be a parole.

With neocons who knows?
The Rule of Law does not apply to them they say
(nor any laws at all I gather).


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...h-to-a-pardon/
"I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named
persons."
Did he unpardon all of them? All or none in any case I'd think.

Jeff

\

Cheney probably has his pardon tucked into his jacket pocket.

On Dec 25, 12:50*pm, Cliff wrote:
*http://www.wnyc.org/news/articles/119516
* "One day after granting a pardon to Brooklyn developer Isaac Toussie,
President Bush revoked it, a step experts say is certainly rare and possibly
unprecedented."
[
* Toussie, one of 19 people Bush pardoned on Tuesday, pleaded guilty in 2003 to
defrauding the federal government and Suffolk County in mortgage and
price-inflation schemes. He and his father Robert, among the largest landowners
on Long Island, are accused of selling shoddy homes at inflated prices, largely
to minorities, in an ongoing class-action lawsuit involving 400 families.

Yesterday, the White House said the President is revoking Toussie's pardon, at
least in part because of news reports revealing that his father gave over
$28,000 to the Republican National Committee just months before the pardon
petition.

The White House counsel recommended the pardon to the President.
]

* Will they be giving back the $28,000?

They should buy O'bamas senate seat.

wrote in news:ede6df2a-5d07-4470-a012-
:

ÿ Will they be giving back the $28,000?

They should buy O'bamas senate seat.


That's not nearly enough money. It appears to be $25,000.00 minimum for an
appointed state job. State contracts sell for more. Senate seats according
to Blago are "****ing golden."

We have testimony in Federal court that state jobs and contracts were sold
in exchange for donations to Blagojevich's campaign.

The natural question would be; who was running that campaign and just how
much did the campaign managers know about it.

The answer is Blagojevich, Emanuel, Obama, and Wilhelm ran the campaign. I
find it hard to believe that any member of this team who ran the budget,
hustled donations, bought advertising, and met regularly didn't know what
was going on.

Did Obama not want to deal for the seat because he figured Blago owed him?
Or did he suddenly find some ethics? Time will tell.

I know I'm resting easier now that the Obama transition team has finished
its investigation into the Obama transition team and much to my surprise
found no evidence of "inappropriate" contact with Blago. Case closed. At
least until Blago gets convicted and decides to sing like Rezko and the
rest. Obama will be into his third year by then.

--

Dan

CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d

On Dec 27, 4:02*pm, D Murphy wrote:
wrote in news:ede6df2a-5d07-4470-a012-
:

ÿ Will they be giving back the $28,000?

They should buy O'bamas senate seat.

That's not nearly enough money. It appears to be $25,000.00 minimum for an
appointed state job. State contracts sell for more. Senate seats according
to Blago are "****ing golden."

We have testimony in Federal court that state jobs and contracts were sold
in exchange for donations to Blagojevich's campaign.

The natural question would be; who was running that campaign and just how
much did the campaign managers know about it.

The answer is Blagojevich, Emanuel, Obama, and Wilhelm ran the campaign. I
find it hard to believe that any member of this team who ran the budget,
hustled donations, bought advertising, and met regularly didn't know what
was going on.

Did Obama not want to deal for the seat because he figured Blago owed him?
Or did he suddenly find some ethics? Time will tell.

I know I'm resting easier now that the Obama transition team has finished
its investigation into the Obama transition team and much to my surprise
found no evidence of "inappropriate" contact with Blago. Case closed. At
least until Blago gets convicted and decides to sing like Rezko and the
rest. Obama will be into his third year by then.

--

Dan

CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d

Hopefully, the feds have made copies of the tapes because once the new
administration puts their guy in charge of the FBI...

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:14:41 -0800, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:

On Dec 27, 4:02Â*pm, D Murphy wrote:
wrote in news:ede6df2a-5d07-4470-a012-
:

ÿ Will they be giving back the $28,000?

They should buy O'bamas senate seat.

That's not nearly enough money. It appears to be $25,000.00 minimum for
an appointed state job. State contracts sell for more. Senate seats
according to Blago are "****ing golden."

We have testimony in Federal court that state jobs and contracts were
sold in exchange for donations to Blagojevich's campaign.

The natural question would be; who was running that campaign and just
how much did the campaign managers know about it.

The answer is Blagojevich, Emanuel, Obama, and Wilhelm ran the
campaign. I find it hard to believe that any member of this team who
ran the budget, hustled donations, bought advertising, and met
regularly didn't know what was going on.

Did Obama not want to deal for the seat because he figured Blago owed
him? Or did he suddenly find some ethics? Time will tell.

I know I'm resting easier now that the Obama transition team has
finished its investigation into the Obama transition team and much to
my surprise found no evidence of "inappropriate" contact with Blago.
Case closed. At least until Blago gets convicted and decides to sing
like Rezko and the rest. Obama will be into his third year by then.

--

Dan

CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d

Hopefully, the feds have made copies of the tapes because once the new
administration puts their guy in charge of the FBI...

Aren't you the guy who was going to support the new president?

--
Regards, Curly
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On 28 Dec 2008 04:38:47 GMT, Curly Surmudgeon
wrote:

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:14:41 -0800, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:

On Dec 27, 4:02*pm, D Murphy wrote:
wrote in news:ede6df2a-5d07-4470-a012-
:

ÿ Will they be giving back the $28,000?

They should buy O'bamas senate seat.

That's not nearly enough money. It appears to be $25,000.00 minimum for
an appointed state job. State contracts sell for more. Senate seats
according to Blago are "****ing golden."

We have testimony in Federal court that state jobs and contracts were
sold in exchange for donations to Blagojevich's campaign.

The natural question would be; who was running that campaign and just
how much did the campaign managers know about it.

The answer is Blagojevich, Emanuel, Obama, and Wilhelm ran the
campaign. I find it hard to believe that any member of this team who
ran the budget, hustled donations, bought advertising, and met
regularly didn't know what was going on.

Did Obama not want to deal for the seat because he figured Blago owed
him? Or did he suddenly find some ethics? Time will tell.

I know I'm resting easier now that the Obama transition team has
finished its investigation into the Obama transition team and much to
my surprise found no evidence of "inappropriate" contact with Blago.
Case closed. At least until Blago gets convicted and decides to sing
like Rezko and the rest. Obama will be into his third year by then.

--

Dan

CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d

Hopefully, the feds have made copies of the tapes because once the new
administration puts their guy in charge of the FBI...

Aren't you the guy who was going to support the new president?

He's waiting until the new president is sworn in.

Curly Surmudgeon wrote in news:495702d6$0
:

On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:14:41 -0800, hot-ham-and-cheese wrote:

On Dec 27, 4:02Â*pm, D Murphy wrote:
wrote in news:ede6df2a-5d07-4470-a012-
:

ÿ Will they be giving back the $28,000?

They should buy O'bamas senate seat.

That's not nearly enough money. It appears to be $25,000.00 minimum
for
an appointed state job. State contracts sell for more. Senate seats
according to Blago are "****ing golden."

We have testimony in Federal court that state jobs and contracts were
sold in exchange for donations to Blagojevich's campaign.

The natural question would be; who was running that campaign and just
how much did the campaign managers know about it.

The answer is Blagojevich, Emanuel, Obama, and Wilhelm ran the
campaign. I find it hard to believe that any member of this team who
ran the budget, hustled donations, bought advertising, and met
regularly didn't know what was going on.

Did Obama not want to deal for the seat because he figured Blago owed
him? Or did he suddenly find some ethics? Time will tell.

I know I'm resting easier now that the Obama transition team has
finished its investigation into the Obama transition team and much to
my surprise found no evidence of "inappropriate" contact with Blago.
Case closed. At least until Blago gets convicted and decides to sing
like Rezko and the rest. Obama will be into his third year by then.

--

Dan

CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d

Hopefully, the feds have made copies of the tapes because once the new
administration puts their guy in charge of the FBI...

Aren't you the guy who was going to support the new president?


I hope he does a great job and things go well for him. But he's not
president yet and there are lots of questions reporters won't ask him.
Plus he's already lied about this deal.

--

Dan

CNC Videos - http://tinyurl.com/yzdt6d