On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:53 -0500, Keith nuttle wrote:


The infrastructure plan will do nothing for the immediate economic
problem. Infrastructure plans require a considerable amount of data to
be collected on the site, design of the structure, implement the
logistics, and finally the construction phase.

Except in this case, one of the prerequisites is the projects must be
ready to go. Most states have projects just waiting for the funding.

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:11:30 -0600, wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:05:53 -0500, Keith nuttle wrote:


The infrastructure plan will do nothing for the immediate economic
problem. Infrastructure plans require a considerable amount of data to
be collected on the site, design of the structure, implement the
logistics, and finally the construction phase.

Except in this case, one of the prerequisites is the projects must be
ready to go. Most states have projects just waiting for the funding.

Maybe they'll even get around to dredging the ICW properly. They could
start tomorrow.

wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:50:41 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:35:04 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:27:36 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:42:56 -0500, wrote:

Maybe they'll even get around to dredging the ICW properly. They could
start tomorrow.
They could start applying for the permits tomorrow but I doubt any
muck will move for a couple years ... at last around here.
Nope, they could start VERY quickly. All they lack is funding. As the
trickle of money comes in, they have been doing what they can.
You must not have Department of Environmental Protection there.
You can't do anything in the water here without a permit and that
process drags on forever. If you dig up the bottom somewhere they
usually want some kind of mitigation somewhere else. Dredging projects
usually get coupled to sea grass restoration or something. All of that
negotiation takes a lot of time.

Army Corps of Engineers is not a private party wanting to do some new
development. Dredging the ICW is part of their REGULAR functions
whenever they have the resources to go and do it. There is no
permitting delay, as this is ongoing maintenance that is already
cleared. In fact, it's federally mandated work. The highway department
similarly does not need any permits to fill pot holes or replace
damaged stop signs.

But, the Corps needs a permit to deposit the dredgings someplace. And,
they don't get permits with open ended dates. Besides every
environmental organization will take any and every opportunity to stop
the dredging to save any and all wild life.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:21:23 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:08:47 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:50:41 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:35:04 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:27:36 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:42:56 -0500, wrote:

Maybe they'll even get around to dredging the ICW properly. They could
start tomorrow.
They could start applying for the permits tomorrow but I doubt any
muck will move for a couple years ... at last around here.
Nope, they could start VERY quickly. All they lack is funding. As the
trickle of money comes in, they have been doing what they can.
You must not have Department of Environmental Protection there.
You can't do anything in the water here without a permit and that
process drags on forever. If you dig up the bottom somewhere they
usually want some kind of mitigation somewhere else. Dredging projects
usually get coupled to sea grass restoration or something. All of that
negotiation takes a lot of time.

Army Corps of Engineers is not a private party wanting to do some new
development. Dredging the ICW is part of their REGULAR functions
whenever they have the resources to go and do it. There is no
permitting delay, as this is ongoing maintenance that is already
cleared. In fact, it's federally mandated work. The highway department
similarly does not need any permits to fill pot holes or replace
damaged stop signs.

But, the Corps needs a permit to deposit the dredgings someplace. And,
they don't get permits with open ended dates. Besides every
environmental organization will take any and every opportunity to stop
the dredging to save any and all wild life.

They have been doing this for decades with no serious problems. It's
ongoing scheduled maintenance, mandated by congress. See if you can
wrap your puny mind around that and figure out what it means.

They could start this work TOMORROW.

....puny little mind...??

From you???

The same Salty who wrote:

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On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:34:09 -0400, wrote:

Lets hear some more about how you like to f**k your grandson in the
a$$ in exchange for a ride on grampys motorcycle.
************************************************** *****************************

Of course, you didn't change any spellings, and Donnie didn't even complain
about the language!

--
John

John wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:21:23 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:08:47 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:50:41 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:35:04 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:27:36 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:42:56 -0500, wrote:

Maybe they'll even get around to dredging the ICW properly. They could
start tomorrow.
They could start applying for the permits tomorrow but I doubt any
muck will move for a couple years ... at last around here.
Nope, they could start VERY quickly. All they lack is funding. As the
trickle of money comes in, they have been doing what they can.
You must not have Department of Environmental Protection there.
You can't do anything in the water here without a permit and that
process drags on forever. If you dig up the bottom somewhere they
usually want some kind of mitigation somewhere else. Dredging projects
usually get coupled to sea grass restoration or something. All of that
negotiation takes a lot of time.
Army Corps of Engineers is not a private party wanting to do some new
development. Dredging the ICW is part of their REGULAR functions
whenever they have the resources to go and do it. There is no
permitting delay, as this is ongoing maintenance that is already
cleared. In fact, it's federally mandated work. The highway department
similarly does not need any permits to fill pot holes or replace
damaged stop signs.
But, the Corps needs a permit to deposit the dredgings someplace. And,
they don't get permits with open ended dates. Besides every
environmental organization will take any and every opportunity to stop
the dredging to save any and all wild life.
They have been doing this for decades with no serious problems. It's
ongoing scheduled maintenance, mandated by congress. See if you can
wrap your puny mind around that and figure out what it means.

They could start this work TOMORROW.

...puny little mind...??

From you???

The same Salty who wrote:

************************************************** *****************************
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:34:09 -0400, wrote:

Lets hear some more about how you like to f**k your grandson in the
a$$ in exchange for a ride on grampys motorcycle.
************************************************** *****************************

Of course, you didn't change any spellings, and Donnie didn't even complain
about the language!


You still doing that?

wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:08:47 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:50:41 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:35:04 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:27:36 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:42:56 -0500, wrote:

Maybe they'll even get around to dredging the ICW properly. They could
start tomorrow.
They could start applying for the permits tomorrow but I doubt any
muck will move for a couple years ... at last around here.
Nope, they could start VERY quickly. All they lack is funding. As the
trickle of money comes in, they have been doing what they can.
You must not have Department of Environmental Protection there.
You can't do anything in the water here without a permit and that
process drags on forever. If you dig up the bottom somewhere they
usually want some kind of mitigation somewhere else. Dredging projects
usually get coupled to sea grass restoration or something. All of that
negotiation takes a lot of time.
Army Corps of Engineers is not a private party wanting to do some new
development. Dredging the ICW is part of their REGULAR functions
whenever they have the resources to go and do it. There is no
permitting delay, as this is ongoing maintenance that is already
cleared. In fact, it's federally mandated work. The highway department
similarly does not need any permits to fill pot holes or replace
damaged stop signs.
But, the Corps needs a permit to deposit the dredgings someplace. And,
they don't get permits with open ended dates. Besides every
environmental organization will take any and every opportunity to stop
the dredging to save any and all wild life.

They have been doing this for decades with no serious problems. It's
ongoing scheduled maintenance, mandated by congress. See if you can
wrap your puny mind around that and figure out what it means.

They could start this work TOMORROW.

Pigs could sprout wings tomorrow too, that doesn't mean they will start
flying.

All it takes is one environmental weirdo to see somebody doing something
that the environmental weirdo hasn't taken to court and been over ruled
on and they will get an immediate injunction and halt all progress. This
is where "standing" needs to be closely reviewed. Too often judges grant
standing to persons and organizations who have no standing but, the
judge is of like mind with the environmental weirdo and grants standing.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:05:36 -0500, salty wrote:


Army Corps of Engineers is not a private party wanting to do some new
development. Dredging the ICW is part of their REGULAR functions
whenever they have the resources to go and do it. There is no permitting
delay, as this is ongoing maintenance that is already cleared. In fact,
it's federally mandated work. The highway department similarly does not
need any permits to fill pot holes or replace damaged stop signs.

If I'm not mistaken, the Army Corps. is the agency that issues the permit.