wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:08:47 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:50:41 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:35:04 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:27:36 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:42:56 -0500, wrote:

Maybe they'll even get around to dredging the ICW properly. They could
start tomorrow.
They could start applying for the permits tomorrow but I doubt any
muck will move for a couple years ... at last around here.
Nope, they could start VERY quickly. All they lack is funding. As the
trickle of money comes in, they have been doing what they can.
You must not have Department of Environmental Protection there.
You can't do anything in the water here without a permit and that
process drags on forever. If you dig up the bottom somewhere they
usually want some kind of mitigation somewhere else. Dredging projects
usually get coupled to sea grass restoration or something. All of that
negotiation takes a lot of time.
Army Corps of Engineers is not a private party wanting to do some new
development. Dredging the ICW is part of their REGULAR functions
whenever they have the resources to go and do it. There is no
permitting delay, as this is ongoing maintenance that is already
cleared. In fact, it's federally mandated work. The highway department
similarly does not need any permits to fill pot holes or replace
damaged stop signs.
But, the Corps needs a permit to deposit the dredgings someplace. And,
they don't get permits with open ended dates. Besides every
environmental organization will take any and every opportunity to stop
the dredging to save any and all wild life.

They have been doing this for decades with no serious problems. It's
ongoing scheduled maintenance, mandated by congress. See if you can
wrap your puny mind around that and figure out what it means.

They could start this work TOMORROW.

Pigs could sprout wings tomorrow too, that doesn't mean they will start
flying.

All it takes is one environmental weirdo to see somebody doing something
that the environmental weirdo hasn't taken to court and been over ruled
on and they will get an immediate injunction and halt all progress. This
is where "standing" needs to be closely reviewed. Too often judges grant
standing to persons and organizations who have no standing but, the
judge is of like mind with the environmental weirdo and grants standing.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:21:23 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:08:47 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:50:41 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:35:04 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:27:36 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:42:56 -0500, wrote:

Maybe they'll even get around to dredging the ICW properly. They could
start tomorrow.
They could start applying for the permits tomorrow but I doubt any
muck will move for a couple years ... at last around here.
Nope, they could start VERY quickly. All they lack is funding. As the
trickle of money comes in, they have been doing what they can.
You must not have Department of Environmental Protection there.
You can't do anything in the water here without a permit and that
process drags on forever. If you dig up the bottom somewhere they
usually want some kind of mitigation somewhere else. Dredging projects
usually get coupled to sea grass restoration or something. All of that
negotiation takes a lot of time.

Army Corps of Engineers is not a private party wanting to do some new
development. Dredging the ICW is part of their REGULAR functions
whenever they have the resources to go and do it. There is no
permitting delay, as this is ongoing maintenance that is already
cleared. In fact, it's federally mandated work. The highway department
similarly does not need any permits to fill pot holes or replace
damaged stop signs.

But, the Corps needs a permit to deposit the dredgings someplace. And,
they don't get permits with open ended dates. Besides every
environmental organization will take any and every opportunity to stop
the dredging to save any and all wild life.

They have been doing this for decades with no serious problems. It's
ongoing scheduled maintenance, mandated by congress. See if you can
wrap your puny mind around that and figure out what it means.

They could start this work TOMORROW.

....puny little mind...??

From you???

The same Salty who wrote:

************************************************** *****************************
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:34:09 -0400, wrote:

Lets hear some more about how you like to f**k your grandson in the
a$$ in exchange for a ride on grampys motorcycle.
************************************************** *****************************

Of course, you didn't change any spellings, and Donnie didn't even complain
about the language!

--
John

John wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:21:23 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:08:47 -0500, BAR wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:50:41 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:35:04 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:27:36 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:42:56 -0500, wrote:

Maybe they'll even get around to dredging the ICW properly. They could
start tomorrow.
They could start applying for the permits tomorrow but I doubt any
muck will move for a couple years ... at last around here.
Nope, they could start VERY quickly. All they lack is funding. As the
trickle of money comes in, they have been doing what they can.
You must not have Department of Environmental Protection there.
You can't do anything in the water here without a permit and that
process drags on forever. If you dig up the bottom somewhere they
usually want some kind of mitigation somewhere else. Dredging projects
usually get coupled to sea grass restoration or something. All of that
negotiation takes a lot of time.
Army Corps of Engineers is not a private party wanting to do some new
development. Dredging the ICW is part of their REGULAR functions
whenever they have the resources to go and do it. There is no
permitting delay, as this is ongoing maintenance that is already
cleared. In fact, it's federally mandated work. The highway department
similarly does not need any permits to fill pot holes or replace
damaged stop signs.
But, the Corps needs a permit to deposit the dredgings someplace. And,
they don't get permits with open ended dates. Besides every
environmental organization will take any and every opportunity to stop
the dredging to save any and all wild life.
They have been doing this for decades with no serious problems. It's
ongoing scheduled maintenance, mandated by congress. See if you can
wrap your puny mind around that and figure out what it means.

They could start this work TOMORROW.

...puny little mind...??

From you???

The same Salty who wrote:

************************************************** *****************************
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:34:09 -0400, wrote:

Lets hear some more about how you like to f**k your grandson in the
a$$ in exchange for a ride on grampys motorcycle.
************************************************** *****************************

Of course, you didn't change any spellings, and Donnie didn't even complain
about the language!


You still doing that?

On Dec 10, 3:22*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:49:31 -0500, Eisboch wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
...

I'm looking forward to the $700 billion to $1 trillion we'll be
spending on infrastructure and other improvements.

I wish I shared your confidence and enthusiasm.

I see the very real probability of a trillion dollars worth of
over-budget, behind schedule major projects, laced with bribes,
corruption and kickbacks.

Well, we have been neglecting our infrastructure. *Properly managed, this
program could kill two birds, kick starting the economy, and, bringing
our roads, bridges, and schools, up to snuff. *I don't know about you,
but I find collapsing bridges down right embarrassing. ;-)

Not properly managed, well, that would be pretty much business as usual.. *
I have considerable hope Obama can properly manage.

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Every Union job provides for seven to 10 watchers...

On Dec 10, 1:49*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message

...



I'm looking forward to the $700 billion to $1 trillion we'll be spending
on infrastructure and other improvements.

I wish I shared your confidence and enthusiasm.

I see the very real probability of a trillion dollars worth of over-budget,
behind schedule major projects, laced with bribes, corruption and kickbacks.

Eisboch

Oh man, you can go to Springfield Illinois and see that all you want.