JohnH wrote:
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:49:54 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"JohnH" wrote in message
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On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 04:32:22 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:

"Boater" wrote in message
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My understanding is that the Toyota we have was not built by non-union
workers in the USA.

Why did I choose it? Because at the time I purchased it, the
corresponding
Ford and GM vehicles were too large.

I assume you bought a used Tundra.

Eisboch

I believe he said he had a 4Runner.
--
John H.

Oh. I was wrong. I thought he mentioned a Tundra.
I assume it is an older, used model.

Eisboch


Well, he's had it about six years, and it is used only to tow boats at
Breezy Point.

Horse****.


You're really in it way over your head, Herring.

The 4Runner is in semi-retirement. It's been replaced as my daily
driver. And it's a 2004 model. Let's see...bought it in 2004, had it for
siz years, according to you...that means it is 2010.

Did that bimbo from Alaska, Palin, lose the 2010 Senate race?

I'm sure your abilities as an Army officer contributed to our loss to
the North Vietnamese.

"Boater" wrote in message
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JohnH wrote:


Well, he's had it about six years, and it is used only to tow boats at
Breezy Point. Horse****.




You're really in it way over your head, Herring.

The 4Runner is in semi-retirement. It's been replaced as my daily driver.
And it's a 2004 model. Let's see...bought it in 2004, had it for siz
years, according to you...that means it is 2010.



Well, wait a minute. Not to be a nit, but:

You say it's a 2004 model.
You say you bought it in 2004.
That means it was new, or nearly new.
You say it's used to tow your boat.
It's now 2008.
You say it has 100,000 miles on it.
That's roughly 25,000 miles a year.

That's a hell of a lot of boat towing.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

JohnH wrote:
Well, he's had it about six years, and it is used only to tow boats at
Breezy Point. Horse****.


You're really in it way over your head, Herring.

The 4Runner is in semi-retirement. It's been replaced as my daily driver.
And it's a 2004 model. Let's see...bought it in 2004, had it for siz
years, according to you...that means it is 2010.



Well, wait a minute. Not to be a nit, but:

You say it's a 2004 model.
You say you bought it in 2004.
That means it was new, or nearly new.
You say it's used to tow your boat.
It's now 2008.
You say it has 100,000 miles on it.
That's roughly 25,000 miles a year.

That's a hell of a lot of boat towing.

Eisboch



Prior to its retirement as a daily driver in mid-year, it was driven a
lot. We live in the boonies. It's about 35 miles from here to the
nearest decent shopping center. It's 50 miles to downtown DC, not that I
drive in that much. Miles add up.

Now, I just use it to tow the boat to and from the marina and to a
couple of close-by ramps, or to the dealership for maintenance.

You did see the part about "semi-retirement" and "replaced as my daily
driver," right?

Or are you depending upon Herring for reporting "reality?"

We have three four-wheeled vehicles here, and one in Florida.

"Boater" wrote in message
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Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

JohnH wrote:
Well, he's had it about six years, and it is used only to tow boats at
Breezy Point. Horse****.


You're really in it way over your head, Herring.

The 4Runner is in semi-retirement. It's been replaced as my daily
driver. And it's a 2004 model. Let's see...bought it in 2004, had it for
siz years, according to you...that means it is 2010.



Well, wait a minute. Not to be a nit, but:

You say it's a 2004 model.
You say you bought it in 2004.
That means it was new, or nearly new.
You say it's used to tow your boat.
It's now 2008.
You say it has 100,000 miles on it.
That's roughly 25,000 miles a year.

That's a hell of a lot of boat towing.

Eisboch



Prior to its retirement as a daily driver in mid-year, it was driven a
lot. We live in the boonies. It's about 35 miles from here to the nearest
decent shopping center. It's 50 miles to downtown DC, not that I drive in
that much. Miles add up.

Now, I just use it to tow the boat to and from the marina and to a couple
of close-by ramps, or to the dealership for maintenance.

You did see the part about "semi-retirement" and "replaced as my daily
driver," right?

Or are you depending upon Herring for reporting "reality?"



No, I just happened to remember when you first said you bought it. I
couldn't remember if it was a Tundra or not, but I know it replaced a Ford
P/U that you sometimes referred to. When someone here challenged your
choice of manufacturer (union vs non-union) and you responded with a
statement indicating that you only used it for towing your boat, yet it had
100,000 miles on it, it didn't quite make sense.

But, now I understand. Your daily driver for most of the last four years
was indeed, a non-union built, foreign made vehicle. I got it.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

JohnH wrote:
Well, he's had it about six years, and it is used only to tow boats at
Breezy Point. Horse****.

You're really in it way over your head, Herring.

The 4Runner is in semi-retirement. It's been replaced as my daily
driver. And it's a 2004 model. Let's see...bought it in 2004, had it for
siz years, according to you...that means it is 2010.


Well, wait a minute. Not to be a nit, but:

You say it's a 2004 model.
You say you bought it in 2004.
That means it was new, or nearly new.
You say it's used to tow your boat.
It's now 2008.
You say it has 100,000 miles on it.
That's roughly 25,000 miles a year.

That's a hell of a lot of boat towing.

Eisboch


Prior to its retirement as a daily driver in mid-year, it was driven a
lot. We live in the boonies. It's about 35 miles from here to the nearest
decent shopping center. It's 50 miles to downtown DC, not that I drive in
that much. Miles add up.

Now, I just use it to tow the boat to and from the marina and to a couple
of close-by ramps, or to the dealership for maintenance.

You did see the part about "semi-retirement" and "replaced as my daily
driver," right?

Or are you depending upon Herring for reporting "reality?"



No, I just happened to remember when you first said you bought it. I
couldn't remember if it was a Tundra or not, but I know it replaced a Ford
P/U that you sometimes referred to. When someone here challenged your
choice of manufacturer (union vs non-union) and you responded with a
statement indicating that you only used it for towing your boat, yet it had
100,000 miles on it, it didn't quite make sense.

But, now I understand. Your daily driver for most of the last four years
was indeed, a non-union built, foreign made vehicle. I got it.

Eisboch



The Japanese have different ideas about the relationship between workers
and their employers. Workers are valued. The Japanese auto workers are
unionized, but the unions are "captive," they are part of the company.
I have a buddy who is an employee of Seiko Watch in Japan. He's paid
pretty well, has a nice -small- house, a national "white card" for
health insurance for the family and a guaranteed pension when he retires.

When employees are valued, and receive proper benefits from their
employers or through the government, there is less need for trade unionism.

In this country, though, where employees are discardable property, I am
hoping for a rebirth of much tougher unionism, hopefully a return to the
good old days.





I bought a 4Runner because Ford and GM didn't offer one that met *my*
needs. I wanted a smaller SUV with a small V-8 that would have the
capacity to tow my 25' Parker. At the time, neither Ford nor GM offered
such a vehicle. They had larger, heavier, more "gas hoggy" SUVs. I had
use of one of these for a short time. I felt as if I were driving an
aircraft carrier.

"Boater" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:


No, I just happened to remember when you first said you bought it. I
couldn't remember if it was a Tundra or not, but I know it replaced a
Ford P/U that you sometimes referred to. When someone here challenged
your choice of manufacturer (union vs non-union) and you responded with a
statement indicating that you only used it for towing your boat, yet it
had 100,000 miles on it, it didn't quite make sense.

But, now I understand. Your daily driver for most of the last four years
was indeed, a non-union built, foreign made vehicle. I got it.

Eisboch



The Japanese have different ideas about the relationship between workers
and their employers. Workers are valued. The Japanese auto workers are
unionized, but the unions are "captive," they are part of the company.
I have a buddy who is an employee of Seiko Watch in Japan. He's paid
pretty well, has a nice -small- house, a national "white card" for health
insurance for the family and a guaranteed pension when he retires.

When employees are valued, and receive proper benefits from their
employers or through the government, there is less need for trade
unionism.

In this country, though, where employees are discardable property, I am
hoping for a rebirth of much tougher unionism, hopefully a return to the
good old days.

I bought a 4Runner because Ford and GM didn't offer one that met *my*
needs. I wanted a smaller SUV with a small V-8 that would have the
capacity to tow my 25' Parker. At the time, neither Ford nor GM offered
such a vehicle. They had larger, heavier, more "gas hoggy" SUVs. I had use
of one of these for a short time. I felt as if I were driving an aircraft
carrier.

I understand. You don't have to explain it to me. Explain it to your union
brothers.

Eisboch

Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Eisboch wrote:

No, I just happened to remember when you first said you bought it. I
couldn't remember if it was a Tundra or not, but I know it replaced a
Ford P/U that you sometimes referred to. When someone here challenged
your choice of manufacturer (union vs non-union) and you responded with a
statement indicating that you only used it for towing your boat, yet it
had 100,000 miles on it, it didn't quite make sense.

But, now I understand. Your daily driver for most of the last four years
was indeed, a non-union built, foreign made vehicle. I got it.

Eisboch


The Japanese have different ideas about the relationship between workers
and their employers. Workers are valued. The Japanese auto workers are
unionized, but the unions are "captive," they are part of the company.
I have a buddy who is an employee of Seiko Watch in Japan. He's paid
pretty well, has a nice -small- house, a national "white card" for health
insurance for the family and a guaranteed pension when he retires.

When employees are valued, and receive proper benefits from their
employers or through the government, there is less need for trade
unionism.

In this country, though, where employees are discardable property, I am
hoping for a rebirth of much tougher unionism, hopefully a return to the
good old days.

I bought a 4Runner because Ford and GM didn't offer one that met *my*
needs. I wanted a smaller SUV with a small V-8 that would have the
capacity to tow my 25' Parker. At the time, neither Ford nor GM offered
such a vehicle. They had larger, heavier, more "gas hoggy" SUVs. I had use
of one of these for a short time. I felt as if I were driving an aircraft
carrier.

I understand. You don't have to explain it to me. Explain it to your union
brothers.

Eisboch



They don't design the cars and trucks, they just build what they told to
build.

Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

JohnH wrote:
Well, he's had it about six years, and it is used only to tow
boats at
Breezy Point. Horse****.

You're really in it way over your head, Herring.

The 4Runner is in semi-retirement. It's been replaced as my daily
driver. And it's a 2004 model. Let's see...bought it in 2004, had
it for siz years, according to you...that means it is 2010.


Well, wait a minute. Not to be a nit, but:

You say it's a 2004 model.
You say you bought it in 2004.
That means it was new, or nearly new.
You say it's used to tow your boat.
It's now 2008.
You say it has 100,000 miles on it.
That's roughly 25,000 miles a year.

That's a hell of a lot of boat towing.

Eisboch


Prior to its retirement as a daily driver in mid-year, it was driven
a lot. We live in the boonies. It's about 35 miles from here to the
nearest decent shopping center. It's 50 miles to downtown DC, not
that I drive in that much. Miles add up.

Now, I just use it to tow the boat to and from the marina and to a
couple of close-by ramps, or to the dealership for maintenance.

You did see the part about "semi-retirement" and "replaced as my
daily driver," right?

Or are you depending upon Herring for reporting "reality?"



No, I just happened to remember when you first said you bought it. I
couldn't remember if it was a Tundra or not, but I know it replaced a
Ford P/U that you sometimes referred to. When someone here
challenged your choice of manufacturer (union vs non-union) and you
responded with a statement indicating that you only used it for towing
your boat, yet it had 100,000 miles on it, it didn't quite make sense.

But, now I understand. Your daily driver for most of the last four
years was indeed, a non-union built, foreign made vehicle. I got it.

Eisboch


The Japanese have different ideas about the relationship between workers
and their employers. Workers are valued. The Japanese auto workers are
unionized, but the unions are "captive," they are part of the company.
I have a buddy who is an employee of Seiko Watch in Japan. He's paid
pretty well, has a nice -small- house, a national "white card" for
health insurance for the family and a guaranteed pension when he retires.

When employees are valued, and receive proper benefits from their
employers or through the government, there is less need for trade unionism.

In this country, though, where employees are discardable property, I am
hoping for a rebirth of much tougher unionism, hopefully a return to the
good old days.





I bought a 4Runner because Ford and GM didn't offer one that met *my*
needs. I wanted a smaller SUV with a small V-8 that would have the
capacity to tow my 25' Parker. At the time, neither Ford nor GM offered
such a vehicle. They had larger, heavier, more "gas hoggy" SUVs. I had
use of one of these for a short time. I felt as if I were driving an
aircraft carrier.

Do you remember chastising people who purchased Japanese outboards and
autos by telling them ..... "from the people who gave you Pearl Harbor"?
That was about a year before you purchased your Japanese truck and
outboard engine.

By the way, what convinced you that those who own handguns are not all
drooling redneck idiots who use a handgun to make up for their small penis?

Reginald P. Smithers III, Esq. wrote:
Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

JohnH wrote:
Well, he's had it about six years, and it is used only to tow
boats at
Breezy Point. Horse****.

You're really in it way over your head, Herring.

The 4Runner is in semi-retirement. It's been replaced as my daily
driver. And it's a 2004 model. Let's see...bought it in 2004, had
it for siz years, according to you...that means it is 2010.


Well, wait a minute. Not to be a nit, but:

You say it's a 2004 model.
You say you bought it in 2004.
That means it was new, or nearly new.
You say it's used to tow your boat.
It's now 2008.
You say it has 100,000 miles on it.
That's roughly 25,000 miles a year.

That's a hell of a lot of boat towing.

Eisboch


Prior to its retirement as a daily driver in mid-year, it was driven
a lot. We live in the boonies. It's about 35 miles from here to the
nearest decent shopping center. It's 50 miles to downtown DC, not
that I drive in that much. Miles add up.

Now, I just use it to tow the boat to and from the marina and to a
couple of close-by ramps, or to the dealership for maintenance.

You did see the part about "semi-retirement" and "replaced as my
daily driver," right?

Or are you depending upon Herring for reporting "reality?"



No, I just happened to remember when you first said you bought it. I
couldn't remember if it was a Tundra or not, but I know it replaced a
Ford P/U that you sometimes referred to. When someone here
challenged your choice of manufacturer (union vs non-union) and you
responded with a statement indicating that you only used it for
towing your boat, yet it had 100,000 miles on it, it didn't quite
make sense.

But, now I understand. Your daily driver for most of the last four
years was indeed, a non-union built, foreign made vehicle. I got it.

Eisboch


The Japanese have different ideas about the relationship between
workers and their employers. Workers are valued. The Japanese auto
workers are unionized, but the unions are "captive," they are part of
the company.
I have a buddy who is an employee of Seiko Watch in Japan. He's paid
pretty well, has a nice -small- house, a national "white card" for
health insurance for the family and a guaranteed pension when he retires.

When employees are valued, and receive proper benefits from their
employers or through the government, there is less need for trade
unionism.

In this country, though, where employees are discardable property, I
am hoping for a rebirth of much tougher unionism, hopefully a return
to the good old days.





I bought a 4Runner because Ford and GM didn't offer one that met *my*
needs. I wanted a smaller SUV with a small V-8 that would have the
capacity to tow my 25' Parker. At the time, neither Ford nor GM
offered such a vehicle. They had larger, heavier, more "gas hoggy"
SUVs. I had use of one of these for a short time. I felt as if I were
driving an aircraft carrier.

Do you remember chastising people who purchased Japanese outboards and
autos by telling them ..... "from the people who gave you Pearl Harbor"?
That was about a year before you purchased your Japanese truck and
outboard engine.

By the way, what convinced you that those who own handguns are not all
drooling redneck idiots who use a handgun to make up for their small
penis?





\

My belief in "made in America" declined at about the same rate as made
in America content declined in manufactured goods.

Drooling redneck idiots are not confined to those who have handguns.
Loogy and JustHate come to mind.

On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:56:46 -0500, "Eisboch" wrote:


"Boater" wrote in message
...
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

JohnH wrote:
Well, he's had it about six years, and it is used only to tow boats at
Breezy Point. Horse****.


You're really in it way over your head, Herring.

The 4Runner is in semi-retirement. It's been replaced as my daily
driver. And it's a 2004 model. Let's see...bought it in 2004, had it for
siz years, according to you...that means it is 2010.



Well, wait a minute. Not to be a nit, but:

You say it's a 2004 model.
You say you bought it in 2004.
That means it was new, or nearly new.
You say it's used to tow your boat.
It's now 2008.
You say it has 100,000 miles on it.
That's roughly 25,000 miles a year.

That's a hell of a lot of boat towing.

Eisboch



Prior to its retirement as a daily driver in mid-year, it was driven a
lot. We live in the boonies. It's about 35 miles from here to the nearest
decent shopping center. It's 50 miles to downtown DC, not that I drive in
that much. Miles add up.

Now, I just use it to tow the boat to and from the marina and to a couple
of close-by ramps, or to the dealership for maintenance.

You did see the part about "semi-retirement" and "replaced as my daily
driver," right?

Or are you depending upon Herring for reporting "reality?"



No, I just happened to remember when you first said you bought it. I
couldn't remember if it was a Tundra or not, but I know it replaced a Ford
P/U that you sometimes referred to. When someone here challenged your
choice of manufacturer (union vs non-union) and you responded with a
statement indicating that you only used it for towing your boat, yet it had
100,000 miles on it, it didn't quite make sense.

But, now I understand. Your daily driver for most of the last four years
was indeed, a non-union built, foreign made vehicle. I got it.

Eisboch


Sorry about the 'six year' confusion. I read this:

************************************************** *****
"4Runner with 100,000 miles. Still in good shape, but only used as a boat
ramp tow vehicle these days. When we got it, Ford and GM didn't make a
mid-sized SUV with similar tow capacity, as I recall, and, of course, I
wouldn't take a Chrysler product on a bet, not with those old-tech
pushrod engines.

That was almost six years ago, though. I haven't stayed "current" with
what is being offered by Ford or GM these days. In fact, I'm not really
that interested in cars these days."
************************************************** ********

That first sentence in the second paragraph, where Harry says, "That was
almost six years ago..." threw me. I thought he meant 'six years', not
four. Wow, what a screwup.
--
We say, "MERRY CHRISTMAS!"

John H