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"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:17:37 -0800 (PST), wrote: There is no way in the world the American worker of present day works harder than the guy in my dad's day. I have been victim to being told to slow down by a union. In all fairness (which we won't expect from the other side) I was also told to slow down while on piece work at Standadyne, a non union shop... Piece work is sort of a special deal. When I pushed pieces I was aware that I was in my 20's and strong as a horse. The guy on the next shift might be 50 and not so healthy or strong. If I was being timed I had to go slower. Still worked hard, but shortened my break times. Didn't want to screw up the older guys. They did plenty of work. --Vic Many of us have never had the type of work experience where you had to be conscious of how productive you are compared to your fellow worker. The closest I ever came to that I guess is 9 years in the military, but nobody pressured you to hold back in doing a good job, or even a better job than others. The benefit of doing a good job was learning your job code, advancing in rank and earning more money. Everyone had the same opportunity. Some did, some didn't. In the military if someone was noticed to be purposely holding back, he/she would be in a world of hurt. In my civilian experiences of almost 30 years now, the companies I've worked for were too small to have a cast of thousands all doing the same kind of work. The motivation to do a good job was the fact that your performance contributed to the overall efforts and if you slacked off, it would be very noticeable. Often, I was the only one doing a particular function, so screwing up, performing well or being lazy had an immediate impact on the company and was usually noticed by the management. So, you people with other experiences have to realize that the concept of "backing off" in performance is totally foreign to some of us. Eisboch |
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Don White wrote:
"Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in message ... On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:12:10 -0600, wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:03:17 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: http://www.bls.gov/lpc/prodybar.htm Well, that's kind of the point. What data do you trust? The Bureau of Labor Statistics. Fine - but what caused the increase? Something has to change - what was it? Who should benefit from the obvious productivity increase - the company or the workers? Historically, when productivity increases, there may be a lag, but wages also increase. What's changed? The answer to that, is far more devastating to this country's long term economic health, than the middle-class not getting their share. You raise some important questions and frankly, I don't have an answer for you - I'll admit it. Obviously, its far to simplistic to blame the fat cats and corporate executives. Perhaps there has been a fundamental shift in how money is distributed, the money supply being managed - there's a whole host of factors that could explain it, but I'm not an economist although I do play one on TV. :) I watch CNBC a lot - in particular the early show Squawk Box or if I'm out and about, I listen on Sirius. When you watch two opposing sides take the same sets of data and make them fit their own agendas and viewpoints, you begin to wonder if anybody really and truly knows what's going on. Now for the really oddball opinon. I've often suspected that "real wages" are being sucked up by government in various ways. I had an experience Friday that floored me. I was kind of messing around in the kitchen and I gathered up the bills for the paper pusher to handle. I just started looking through them - there are more fees, taxes and "adjustments' on my cable, telephone and wireless bills that I could shake a stick at - easily adding 3-4% to the cost of the bill and that's before sales/service taxes which add another - what, 6%? What are all these fees/taxes/access charges doing to real wages? What's the measure of productivity he's quoting? Per unit, per hour, per what? I would think that if a company over 8 years increased it's productivity by 20% (which is 2.5%/yr by the way) that's not a whole lot considering inflation, raw material costs, etc. And if your company has a high labor quotient to the cost of production, that's almost negligible. If you want to consider inflation, real wages have decreased. Well, I think the last time I could buy a decent cigar for .75¢ was about twenty years ago. :) You should see my water bill. After all the extras like waste water management and environmental protection fees aew tacked on, the basic charge and actual usage fees (per cubic meter) triples. Unbelievable.. Here in my county you are charged for each gallon of water coming in and you are charged for that same gallon of water twice going out as waste. So if you pay .10 cents for the gallon coming in you get charged for .20 cents for the gallon going out in the sewage line. The next logical question is why am I charged for sewage for watering my garden and lawn? The answer is you can pay about $1000 to get a meter placed on your sewage to meter your outgoing flow. The meter costs about $200 and you have to use the water company's licensed plumbers to install the meter and that costs about $800. So, the grass turns brown in the summer and the flowers die. |
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On Dec 14, 6:21*pm, RLM wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:15:33 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote: On Dec 14, 5:15*pm, John wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:10:09 +0000 (UTC), RLM wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:57:41 -0500, John wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:51:27 -0600, wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:17:37 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote: There is no way in the world the American worker of present day works harder than the guy in my dad's day. I have been victim to being told to slow down by a union. In all fairness (which we won't expect from the other side) I was also told to slow down while on piece work at Standadyne, a non union shop... That may, or may not be, but American workers are still the most productive workers on this planet. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20572828/ In all this discussion, you've never answered the questions asked by myself or Tom. A lot of side-stepping, but no direct answer. Do your own research to prove him wrong. Twenty years of welfare and nothing but questions. Too lazy to use the internet. Still on welfare.. Who holds your hand to cross the street? There was no research needed. They were simple questions. -- John- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - snerk Is snerk a remark like snot? It's "snot" in the dictionary and it's "snot" making any sense. Snot at least is both of those. Is it just the best the group can muster. My answer to that snerk! * *snot- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I usually say pffffftttt Seriously, most here are capable of deciphering the intense code we use here bsed on the content of the thread... |
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Eisboch wrote:
"Vic Smith" wrote in message ... On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:17:37 -0800 (PST), wrote: There is no way in the world the American worker of present day works harder than the guy in my dad's day. I have been victim to being told to slow down by a union. In all fairness (which we won't expect from the other side) I was also told to slow down while on piece work at Standadyne, a non union shop... Piece work is sort of a special deal. When I pushed pieces I was aware that I was in my 20's and strong as a horse. The guy on the next shift might be 50 and not so healthy or strong. If I was being timed I had to go slower. Still worked hard, but shortened my break times. Didn't want to screw up the older guys. They did plenty of work. --Vic Many of us have never had the type of work experience where you had to be conscious of how productive you are compared to your fellow worker. The closest I ever came to that I guess is 9 years in the military, but nobody pressured you to hold back in doing a good job, or even a better job than others. The benefit of doing a good job was learning your job code, advancing in rank and earning more money. Everyone had the same opportunity. Some did, some didn't. In the military if someone was noticed to be purposely holding back, he/she would be in a world of hurt. In my civilian experiences of almost 30 years now, the companies I've worked for were too small to have a cast of thousands all doing the same kind of work. The motivation to do a good job was the fact that your performance contributed to the overall efforts and if you slacked off, it would be very noticeable. Often, I was the only one doing a particular function, so screwing up, performing well or being lazy had an immediate impact on the company and was usually noticed by the management. So, you people with other experiences have to realize that the concept of "backing off" in performance is totally foreign to some of us. Eisboch Doing a "good job," and doing a job quickly are not always compatible, as I am sure you know. When I worked cleaning and rebuilding the innards of boilers, I was told to work at a slow, careful pace to make sure I took enough time to do the job properly. All of the guys I worked with, guys with many years of experience, worked faster than I did, but they all worked a different speeds. Slacking off was not a problem. Bad work that caused the boilers to fail when they were tested was. Rushed work usually resulted in bad work. |
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On Dec 14, 7:06*pm, John wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:56:12 -0500, RLM wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:31:09 -0500, John wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:21:32 -0500, RLM wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:15:33 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote: On Dec 14, 5:15*pm, John wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:10:09 +0000 (UTC), RLM wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:57:41 -0500, John wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:51:27 -0600, wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 08:17:37 -0800, justwaitafrekinminute wrote: There is no way in the world the American worker of present day works harder than the guy in my dad's day. I have been victim to being told to slow down by a union. In all fairness (which we won't expect from the other side) I was also told to slow down while on piece work at Standadyne, a non union shop... That may, or may not be, but American workers are still the most productive workers on this planet. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20572828/ In all this discussion, you've never answered the questions asked by myself or Tom. A lot of side-stepping, but no direct answer. Do your own research to prove him wrong. Twenty years of welfare and nothing but questions. Too lazy to use the internet. Still on welfare. Who holds your hand to cross the street? There was no research needed. They were simple questions. -- John- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - snerk Is snerk a remark like snot? It's "snot" in the dictionary and it's "snot" making any sense. Snot at least is both of those. Is it just the best the group can muster. My answer to that snerk! * snot You need to do your own research about 'snerk'. I did. It means nothing. Just as your remark means nothing. As in doesn't exist. No value. I could go on. * * * * * snot Here, I've done it for you. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=snerk Now, be nice. -- John- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Hey, I thought he said he did his research;) |
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On Dec 14, 7:54*pm, D K wrote:
Don White wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in messagenews:hb2bk4hajnmh2b1j20bp36dtequoggrqt5@4ax .com... On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:12:10 -0600, wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:03:17 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: http://www.bls.gov/lpc/prodybar.htm Well, that's kind of the point. *What data do you trust? The Bureau of Labor Statistics. Fine - but what caused the increase? *Something has to change - what was it? Who should benefit from the obvious productivity increase - the company or the workers? Historically, when productivity increases, there may be a lag, but wages also increase. *What's changed? The answer to that, is far more devastating to this country's long term economic health, than the middle-class not getting their share. You raise some important questions and frankly, I don't have an answer for you - I'll admit it. Obviously, its far to simplistic to blame the fat cats and corporate executives. *Perhaps there has been a fundamental shift in how money is distributed, the money supply being managed - there's a whole host of factors that could explain it, but I'm not an economist although I do play one on TV. *:) I watch CNBC a lot - in particular the early show Squawk Box or if I'm out and about, I listen on Sirius. *When you watch two opposing sides take the same sets of data and make them fit their own agendas and viewpoints, you begin to wonder if anybody really and truly knows what's going on. Now for the really oddball opinon. *I've often suspected that "real wages" are being sucked up by government in various ways. *I had an experience Friday that floored me. *I was kind of messing around in the kitchen and I gathered up the bills for the paper pusher to handle. *I just started looking through them - there are more fees, taxes and "adjustments' on my cable, telephone and wireless bills that I could shake a stick at - easily adding 3-4% to the cost of the bill and that's before sales/service taxes which add another - what, 6%? What are all these fees/taxes/access charges doing to real wages? What's the measure of productivity he's quoting? *Per unit, per hour, per what? *I would think that if a company over 8 years increased it's productivity by 20% (which is 2.5%/yr by the way) that's not a whole lot considering inflation, raw material costs, etc. *And if your company has a high labor quotient to the cost of production, that's almost negligible. If you want to consider inflation, real wages have decreased. Well, I think the last time I could buy a decent cigar for .75¢ was about twenty years ago. *:) You should see my water bill. *After all the extras like waste water management and environmental protection fees aew tacked on, the basic charge and actual usage fees (per cubic meter) triples. Unbelievable.. What's "aew", dummy? *Is that some Canadian thing?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Must be something, after the dim wit has been the resident spell checker lately.. |
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BAR wrote:
Don White wrote: "Tom Francis - SWSports" wrote in message ... On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:12:10 -0600, wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:03:17 -0500, Tom Francis - SWSports wrote: http://www.bls.gov/lpc/prodybar.htm Well, that's kind of the point. What data do you trust? The Bureau of Labor Statistics. Fine - but what caused the increase? Something has to change - what was it? Who should benefit from the obvious productivity increase - the company or the workers? Historically, when productivity increases, there may be a lag, but wages also increase. What's changed? The answer to that, is far more devastating to this country's long term economic health, than the middle-class not getting their share. You raise some important questions and frankly, I don't have an answer for you - I'll admit it. Obviously, its far to simplistic to blame the fat cats and corporate executives. Perhaps there has been a fundamental shift in how money is distributed, the money supply being managed - there's a whole host of factors that could explain it, but I'm not an economist although I do play one on TV. :) I watch CNBC a lot - in particular the early show Squawk Box or if I'm out and about, I listen on Sirius. When you watch two opposing sides take the same sets of data and make them fit their own agendas and viewpoints, you begin to wonder if anybody really and truly knows what's going on. Now for the really oddball opinon. I've often suspected that "real wages" are being sucked up by government in various ways. I had an experience Friday that floored me. I was kind of messing around in the kitchen and I gathered up the bills for the paper pusher to handle. I just started looking through them - there are more fees, taxes and "adjustments' on my cable, telephone and wireless bills that I could shake a stick at - easily adding 3-4% to the cost of the bill and that's before sales/service taxes which add another - what, 6%? What are all these fees/taxes/access charges doing to real wages? What's the measure of productivity he's quoting? Per unit, per hour, per what? I would think that if a company over 8 years increased it's productivity by 20% (which is 2.5%/yr by the way) that's not a whole lot considering inflation, raw material costs, etc. And if your company has a high labor quotient to the cost of production, that's almost negligible. If you want to consider inflation, real wages have decreased. Well, I think the last time I could buy a decent cigar for .75¢ was about twenty years ago. :) You should see my water bill. After all the extras like waste water management and environmental protection fees aew tacked on, the basic charge and actual usage fees (per cubic meter) triples. Unbelievable.. Here in my county you are charged for each gallon of water coming in and you are charged for that same gallon of water twice going out as waste. So if you pay .10 cents for the gallon coming in you get charged for .20 cents for the gallon going out in the sewage line. The next logical question is why am I charged for sewage for watering my garden and lawn? The answer is you can pay about $1000 to get a meter placed on your sewage to meter your outgoing flow. The meter costs about $200 and you have to use the water company's licensed plumbers to install the meter and that costs about $800. So, the grass turns brown in the summer and the flowers die. Licensed plumbers? Well, no work there for Joe the Plumber. You probably should move out of Montgomery County and down to South Carolina, where the living is easy and thousands of tons of chicken **** flow daily into the aquifers. |
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