Eisboch wrote:
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:38:52 -0500, D.Duck wrote:


You just want to see what some bankruptcy judge would do to union
contracts.
Direct labor costs are only @10% of the cost of building a car. If you
want to cut costs, labor isn't the place to start.


Someone outside and disconnected from management and the labor unions needs
to review and determine that.

What if your fixed labor costs are based on selling 18 million cars a year
but you only sold 10 million last year?

Eisboch



Then you have massive layoffs, of course.,

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:39:04 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:38:52 -0500, D.Duck wrote:


You just want to see what some bankruptcy judge would do to union
contracts.
Direct labor costs are only @10% of the cost of building a car. If you
want to cut costs, labor isn't the place to start.


Someone outside and disconnected from management and the labor unions needs
to review and determine that.

What if your fixed labor costs are based on selling 18 million cars a year
but you only sold 10 million last year?

Eisboch



Then you have massive layoffs, of course.,

UAW has sub-pay, or whatever they're calling it now.
When I was UAW at IH the senior guys went first on a layoff.
95% pay for fishing. I think they got unemployment comp then
the company made up the rest.
Never saw a layoff, but heard what happens when we got close once.
That's one of the things Corker was hammering the union guy about.
I don't think I ever heard a straight answer.
But that's one of the contract provisions that should have to go as a
condition of a taxpayer loan.
The only way to make it work is the UAW gives up a lot.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:39:04 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:38:52 -0500, D.Duck wrote:


You just want to see what some bankruptcy judge would do to union
contracts.
Direct labor costs are only @10% of the cost of building a car. If you
want to cut costs, labor isn't the place to start.

Someone outside and disconnected from management and the labor unions needs
to review and determine that.

What if your fixed labor costs are based on selling 18 million cars a year
but you only sold 10 million last year?

Eisboch


Then you have massive layoffs, of course.,

UAW has sub-pay, or whatever they're calling it now.
When I was UAW at IH the senior guys went first on a layoff.
95% pay for fishing. I think they got unemployment comp then
the company made up the rest.
Never saw a layoff, but heard what happens when we got close once.
That's one of the things Corker was hammering the union guy about.
I don't think I ever heard a straight answer.
But that's one of the contract provisions that should have to go as a
condition of a taxpayer loan.
The only way to make it work is the UAW gives up a lot.

--Vic




The UAW already has proposed massive givebacks. Congress acknowledged that.

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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:38:52 -0500, D.Duck wrote:


You just want to see what some bankruptcy judge would do to union
contracts.

Direct labor costs are only @10% of the cost of building a car. If you
want to cut costs, labor isn't the place to start.


................ and assuming that the assembly line workers are being paid
twice what they are worth (according to some here), that means only 5% of
the overall costs could be saved by attacking union workers and cutting
their renumeration by half.
I wonder what advertising cost the Big Three? It must be expensive hiring
agencys to make up new bull**** every year.

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:56:28 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote:

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:39:04 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:38:52 -0500, D.Duck wrote:


You just want to see what some bankruptcy judge would do to union
contracts.
Direct labor costs are only @10% of the cost of building a car. If you
want to cut costs, labor isn't the place to start.


Someone outside and disconnected from management and the labor unions needs
to review and determine that.

What if your fixed labor costs are based on selling 18 million cars a year
but you only sold 10 million last year?

Eisboch



Then you have massive layoffs, of course.,

UAW has sub-pay, or whatever they're calling it now.
When I was UAW at IH the senior guys went first on a layoff.
95% pay for fishing. I think they got unemployment comp then
the company made up the rest.
Never saw a layoff, but heard what happens when we got close once.
That's one of the things Corker was hammering the union guy about.
I don't think I ever heard a straight answer.
But that's one of the contract provisions that should have to go as a
condition of a taxpayer loan.
The only way to make it work is the UAW gives up a lot.

--Vic


jobs bank,,, http://tinyurl.com/cbksn
--
John H.

On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:04:57 -0500, Boater wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:39:04 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:38:52 -0500, D.Duck wrote:


You just want to see what some bankruptcy judge would do to union
contracts.
Direct labor costs are only @10% of the cost of building a car. If you
want to cut costs, labor isn't the place to start.

Someone outside and disconnected from management and the labor unions needs
to review and determine that.

What if your fixed labor costs are based on selling 18 million cars a year
but you only sold 10 million last year?

Eisboch


Then you have massive layoffs, of course.,

UAW has sub-pay, or whatever they're calling it now.
When I was UAW at IH the senior guys went first on a layoff.
95% pay for fishing. I think they got unemployment comp then
the company made up the rest.
Never saw a layoff, but heard what happens when we got close once.
That's one of the things Corker was hammering the union guy about.
I don't think I ever heard a straight answer.
But that's one of the contract provisions that should have to go as a
condition of a taxpayer loan.
The only way to make it work is the UAW gives up a lot.

--Vic




The UAW already has proposed massive givebacks. Congress acknowledged that.

Some liberal folks in Congress acknowledged the UAW's attempts to help?

Hee, hee!!

You're coming up with some good stuff today.
--
John H.

On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:05:49 -0400, "Don White"
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:38:52 -0500, D.Duck wrote:


You just want to see what some bankruptcy judge would do to union
contracts.

Direct labor costs are only @10% of the cost of building a car. If you
want to cut costs, labor isn't the place to start.


............... and assuming that the assembly line workers are being paid
twice what they are worth (according to some here), that means only 5% of
the overall costs could be saved by attacking union workers and cutting
their renumeration by half.
I wonder what advertising cost the Big Three? It must be expensive hiring
agencys to make up new bull**** every year.


Would a thousand dollars have no impact on your car selection? If that
thousand dollars had been put into reliability, would they be in the shape
they're in now?
--
John H.

Boater wrote:
Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 07:22:04 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Tom Francis - SWSports wrote:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1228...s_opinion_main


Bankrupt them, downsize them, get rid of the onerous contracts and
merge Chrysler with Ford.

No bail out.
Wall street brokerage house and bankers...

Bankrupt them, downsize them, get rid of all management, and then
blow up their buildings.

No golden parachutes.

Oh...and in all publicly traded corporations, no executive earnings
to exceed 10 times the earnings of the average employee.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah...

By the way, when is the UAW going to fire it's Executives for getting
them in this mess to begin with?


UAW members elect their leadership.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Maybe they should have hired professional managers.

On Dec 6, 10:16*am, JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:56:28 -0600, Vic Smith





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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:39:04 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:38:52 -0500, D.Duck wrote:

You just want to see what some bankruptcy judge would do to union
contracts.
Direct labor costs are only @10% of the cost of building a car. *If you
want to cut costs, labor isn't the place to start.

Someone outside and disconnected from management and the labor unions needs
to review and determine that.

What if your fixed labor costs are based on selling 18 million cars a year
but you only sold 10 million last year?

Eisboch

Then you have massive layoffs, of course.,

UAW has sub-pay, or whatever they're calling it now.
When I was UAW at IH the senior guys went first on a layoff.
95% pay for fishing. *I think they got unemployment comp then
the company made up the rest.
Never saw a layoff, but heard what happens when we got close once.
That's one of the things Corker was hammering the union guy about.
I don't think I ever heard a straight answer.
But that's one of the contract provisions that should have to go as a
condition of a taxpayer loan.
The only way to make it work is the UAW gives up a lot.

--Vic

jobs bank,,,http://tinyurl.com/cbksn
--
John H.- Hide quoted text -

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Holy ****!

JohnH wrote:
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 10:04:57 -0500, Boater wrote:

Vic Smith wrote:
On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 09:39:04 -0500, Boater
wrote:

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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On Sat, 06 Dec 2008 08:38:52 -0500, D.Duck wrote:


You just want to see what some bankruptcy judge would do to union
contracts.
Direct labor costs are only @10% of the cost of building a car. If you
want to cut costs, labor isn't the place to start.
Someone outside and disconnected from management and the labor unions needs
to review and determine that.

What if your fixed labor costs are based on selling 18 million cars a year
but you only sold 10 million last year?

Eisboch


Then you have massive layoffs, of course.,
UAW has sub-pay, or whatever they're calling it now.
When I was UAW at IH the senior guys went first on a layoff.
95% pay for fishing. I think they got unemployment comp then
the company made up the rest.
Never saw a layoff, but heard what happens when we got close once.
That's one of the things Corker was hammering the union guy about.
I don't think I ever heard a straight answer.
But that's one of the contract provisions that should have to go as a
condition of a taxpayer loan.
The only way to make it work is the UAW gives up a lot.

--Vic



The UAW already has proposed massive givebacks. Congress acknowledged that.

Some liberal folks in Congress acknowledged the UAW's attempts to help?

Hee, hee!!

You're coming up with some good stuff today.


Actually, it was a couple of Republicans.

You're really back to your old style of being a horse's ass, Herring.