On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 04:07:54 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Dec 5, 5:33*am, Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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When I was young I liked to fight and thought the US should be the
same way. I am now a lot older and a lot wiser.
We need to be a lot more careful where we are willing to spill
American blood and also be careful before we spill other people's
blood. We are far from "untouchable" and you can't kill enough
innocent goat herders to change that. It only makes it worse.

Well said. *I agree.

One problem though. * The world is always full of new "young" people going
through the same process.
There's no chill pill.

Eisboch

I've always thought we should send the old farts clamoring for war off
to the battlefront first, along with their sons and daughters. In our
most recent lunacy, think how much "cred" Cheney and Rumsfeld and the
neocons would have had if they were shipped over to Iraq in uniform,
handed a rifle and told to lead the way.

We've got a few here like that, too. Their privilege to speak their
minds. But let's see them back that up with action and sacrifice on
their part. I suspect *that* would chill most of the warmongers and if
they did go, thin out some of the bad blood in the gene pool.

Usually, but not always, sending our young people to fight because of
the mistakes of their elders, is wrong. It was the right thing to do in
the case of Bush I, because he knew what the hell he was doing, and did
it mostly right. It was wrong in the case of Bush II for so many reasons
there isn't enough bandwidth to list them all.

Oh well, Obama's gonna fixit. Look at what he did for Illinois?

http://www.forthegoodofillinois.org/IL-Debt-Counter/

Amen.

I understand Iraq has now committed to a three year pullout schedule. I
wonder how Obama is going to play that.
--
John H

*Have a Super Christmas and a Spectacular New Year!*