Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
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Vic Smith wrote:
Seen him many times on Fox news. You should widen your horizons.

--Vic




I've tried a couple of times, but, seriously, it is so obviously biased, I
break out in laughter every time. Most of the mainstream outlets are a bit
more subtle.


Like Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow?

Eisboch



Olbermann and Maddow are commentators, not newscasters. I was talking
about the Faux News *new* shows at first. Then Hannity and O'Rally came
up. They are not newscasters, either.

I enjoyed Olbermann skewer Bush like no one else had the balls to do.

But I like Maddow more. She's a lot more fun. I'd love to have Rachel
and her partner over to dinner.

Eisboch wrote:
wrote in message
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Well, not gay in a sexual manner, just gay... can't explain. Anyway,
the guy is like watching saturday night live, except without the
clever slant. Never seen anybody so full of **** on "serious" tv..

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I am not normally a violent guy, but the small LCD television I use in my
office almost bought the farm a couple of time while trying to watch that
smug, slime filled jerk.

I noticed last night that his hair transformation is almost complete. Dark
to silver grey in about 3 months.
Must be a highly stressful job, counting all his money, huh?

Eisboch



Unlike Sean Hannity, whose comments gave the impetus to a brain-dead
conservative to shoot up a Unitarian church, nothing Olbermann has said
has sparked a braindead liberal into shooting up a Baptist church.

On Nov 27, 1:13*pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

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Well, not gay in a sexual manner, just gay... can't explain. Anyway,
the guy is like watching saturday night live, except without the
clever slant. Never seen anybody so full of **** on "serious" tv..

------------------------------------------

I am not normally a violent guy, but the small LCD television I use in my
office almost bought the farm a couple of time while trying to watch that
smug, slime filled jerk.

I noticed last night that his hair transformation is almost complete. *Dark
to silver grey in about 3 months.
Must be a highly stressful job, counting all his money, huh?

Eisboch

I just don't see how anybody could consider him and most over there as
serious newscasters. I have a feeling it's more entertainment to most
viewers, kind of like listening to Jon Stewart or reading the Daily
Kos. My oldest listens to nothing but NPR, no TV, and sometimes reads
the New York Lies on line. Most currant issues go right over her head,
but she has all the talking points and considers herself informed..
It's just nuts...

wrote:
On Nov 27, 10:04 am, Boater wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:31:28 -0500, Boater
wrote:
I've tried a couple of times, but, seriously, it is so obviously biased,
I break out in laughter every time. Most of the mainstream outlets are a
bit more subtle.
I really think MSNBC is the laughing stock of any sane person.
Hey, you can't see Dick Morris make a fool of himself if you don't
watch Fox.
I'm just writing about the "news" programs on Faux. Their commentators,
such as Hannity, O'Rally, and soon, Beck, are just plain trash.
They have their news slant, but actually have a better news arm than
the other networks from what I've seen. CNN still reigns on the
international front.
I think Hannity and Beck are idiots. If you can ignore O'Reilly's
pomposity - difficult, but doable - he's not bad if you're interested
in the subject matter he's discussing. Good polemicist.
You actually get different points of view, agree or not.
All IMHO.
--Vic
I watched O'Rally a couple of times because I was wondering why
Olbermann kept poking fun at him. I understood almost immediately. You
call O'Rally pompous...I suppose my calling him a gasbag is about the same.

My favorite cable commentator is Rachel Maddow. She's very smart, very
fast, and very nice. Also very funny.

The "Rhode Scholar" Dike? She and Barney Frank should become legally
married. At least they would look legitimate.



Rachel is gay. So what? I don't want to have sex with her, I want to be
informed a little and entertained a lot by her. And like Maddow, Frank
is very, very smart. I prefer *smart* political leaders, which probably
is one of the reasons why I disliked George W. Bush so much.

Frank also is at the top of the class in providing constituents with
the kinds of services that keep getting him re-elected in his district,
and in championing civil right and civil liberties issues. Frank has his
faults and has misstepped a few times, but the same can be said about
everyone else. I appreciate Frank helping to "out" those conservative
Republicans still in the closet who are gay and speak out against gays
and gay rights.

I've never understood the outright hatred some on the right express for
gays.

wrote:
On Nov 27, 1:13 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

...

Well, not gay in a sexual manner, just gay... can't explain. Anyway,
the guy is like watching saturday night live, except without the
clever slant. Never seen anybody so full of **** on "serious" tv..

------------------------------------------

I am not normally a violent guy, but the small LCD television I use in my
office almost bought the farm a couple of time while trying to watch that
smug, slime filled jerk.

I noticed last night that his hair transformation is almost complete. Dark
to silver grey in about 3 months.
Must be a highly stressful job, counting all his money, huh?

Eisboch

I just don't see how anybody could consider him and most over there as
serious newscasters. I have a feeling it's more entertainment to most
viewers, kind of like listening to Jon Stewart or reading the Daily
Kos. My oldest listens to nothing but NPR, no TV, and sometimes reads
the New York Lies on line. Most currant issues go right over her head,
but she has all the talking points and considers herself informed..
It's just nuts...


Olbermann is not considered a "newscaster," and neither is my gal
Rachel. They are commentators, just like Hannity and O'Rally, but not
nearly as nasty as their Faux News counterparts.

On Nov 27, 2:10*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 27, 1:13 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message

....

Well, not gay in a sexual manner, just gay... can't explain. Anyway,
the guy is like watching saturday night live, except without the
clever slant. Never seen anybody so full of **** on "serious" tv..

------------------------------------------

I am not normally a violent guy, but the small LCD television I use in my
office almost bought the farm a couple of time while trying to watch that
smug, slime filled jerk.

I noticed last night that his hair transformation is almost complete. *Dark
to silver grey in about 3 months.
Must be a highly stressful job, counting all his money, huh?

Eisboch

I just don't see how anybody could consider him and most over there as
serious newscasters. I have a feeling it's more entertainment to most
viewers, kind of like listening to Jon Stewart or reading the Daily
Kos. My oldest listens to nothing but NPR, no TV, and sometimes reads
the New York Lies on line. Most currant issues go right over her head,
but she has all the talking points and considers herself informed..
It's just nuts...

Olbermann is not considered a "newscaster," and neither is my gal
Rachel. They are commentators, just like Hannity and O'Rally, but not
nearly as nasty as their Faux News counterparts.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Unfortunately, not nearly as honest and concerened with fairness
either..

wrote:
On Nov 27, 2:10 pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 27, 1:13 pm, "Eisboch" wrote:
wrote in message
...
Well, not gay in a sexual manner, just gay... can't explain. Anyway,
the guy is like watching saturday night live, except without the
clever slant. Never seen anybody so full of **** on "serious" tv..
------------------------------------------
I am not normally a violent guy, but the small LCD television I use in my
office almost bought the farm a couple of time while trying to watch that
smug, slime filled jerk.
I noticed last night that his hair transformation is almost complete. Dark
to silver grey in about 3 months.
Must be a highly stressful job, counting all his money, huh?
Eisboch
I just don't see how anybody could consider him and most over there as
serious newscasters. I have a feeling it's more entertainment to most
viewers, kind of like listening to Jon Stewart or reading the Daily
Kos. My oldest listens to nothing but NPR, no TV, and sometimes reads
the New York Lies on line. Most currant issues go right over her head,
but she has all the talking points and considers herself informed..
It's just nuts...
Olbermann is not considered a "newscaster," and neither is my gal
Rachel. They are commentators, just like Hannity and O'Rally, but not
nearly as nasty as their Faux News counterparts.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Unfortunately, not nearly as honest and concerened with fairness
either..


Interesting. I've not come across much serious commentary calling
Hannity or O'Rally honest. Hannity is the less subtle of the two, and
far easier to laugh it. O'Rally takes himself too seriously for everyone
except his base.

Here's some skinny on Hannity's honesty. I'd post some about O'Rally's,
but there isn't enough bandwidth.

The Document Sean Hannity Doesn't Want You To Read

June 16, 2004

*

Speaking at the Take Back America conference on June 3, American
Progress CEO John Podesta said, "I think when you get so distant from
the facts as -- as guys like Limbaugh and Sean Hannity do, yeah, I think
that tends to -- it kind of -- it tends to corrupt the dialogue."
Apparently he struck a nerve with Fox News' Sean Hannity. Hannity
challenged Podesta to "defend and explain one example where I -- where I
said something that was so false." Since choosing just one of Hannity's
distortions is too difficult, here are fifteen examples:

All Hannity quotes from Hannity and Colmes unless otherwise noted.

HANNITY: "You're not listening, Susan. You've got to learn something. He
had weapons of mass destruction. He promised to disclose them. And he
didn't do it. You would have let him go free; we decided to hold him
accountable." (4/13/04)

FACT: Hannity's assertion comes more than six months after Bush
Administration weapons inspector David Kay testified his inspection team
had "not uncovered evidence that Iraq undertook significant post-1998
steps to actually build nuclear weapons or produce fissile material" and
had not discovered any chemical or biological weapons. (Bush
Administration Weapons Inspector David Kay, 10/2/03)

HANNITY: "Colin Powell just had a great piece that he had in the paper
today. He was there [in Iraq]. He said things couldn't have been
better." (9/19/03)

FACT: "Iraq has come very far, but serious problems remain, starting
with security. American commanders and troops told me of the many
threats they face--from leftover loyalists who want to return Iraq to
the dark days of Saddam, from criminals who were set loose on Iraqi
society when Saddam emptied the jails and, increasingly, from outside
terrorists who have come to Iraq to open a new front in their campaign
against the civilized world." (Colin Powell, 9/19/03)

HANNITY: "And in northern Iraq today, this very day, al Qaeda is
operating camps there, and they are attacking the Kurds in the north,
and this has been well-documented and well chronicled. Now, if you're
going to go after al Qaeda in every aspect, and obviously they have the
support of Saddam, or we're not." (12/9/02)

FACT: David Kay was on the ground for months investigating the
activities of Hussein's regime. He concluded "But we simply did not find
any evidence of extensive links with Al Qaeda, or for that matter any
real links at all." He called a speech where Cheney made the claim there
was a link "evidence free." (Boston Globe, 6/16/04)

HANNITY: "[After 9-11], liberal Democrats at first showed little
interest in the investigation of the roots of this massive intelligence
failure...[Bush and his team] made it clear that determining the causes
of America's security failures and finding and remedying its weak points
would be central to their mission." (Let Freedom Ring, by Sean Hannity)

TRUTH: Bush Opposed the creation of a special commission to probe the
causes of 9/11 for over a year. On 5/23/02 CBS News Reported "President
Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his
opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the
government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." Bush didn't
relent to pressure to create a commission, mostly from those Hannity
would consider "liberal" until September 2002. (CBS News, 5/23/02)

HANNITY: "First of all, this president -- you know and I know and
everybody knows -- inherited a recession...it was by every definition a
recession" (11/6/02)

HANNITY: "Now here's where we are. The inherited Clinton/Gore recession.
That's a fact." (5/6/03)

HANNITY: "The president inherited a recession." (7/10/03)

HANNITY: "He got us out of the Clinton-Gore recession." (10/23/03)

HANNITY: "They did inherit the recession. They did inherit the
recession. We got out of the recession." (12/12/03)

HANNITY: "And this is the whole point behind this ad, because the
president did inherit a recession." (1/6/04)

HANNITY: "Historically in every recovery, because the president rightly
did inherit a recession. But historically, the lagging indicator always
deals with employment." (1/15/04)

HANNITY: "Congressman Deutsch, maybe you forgot but I'll be glad to
remind you, the president did inherit that recession." (1/20/04)

HANNITY: "He did inherit a recession, and we're out of the recession."
(2/2/04)

HANNITY: "The president inherited a recession." (2/23/04)

HANNITY: "The president inherited a recession." (3/3/04)

HANNITY: "Well, you know, we're going to show ads, as a matter of fact,
in the next segment, Congressman. Thanks for promoting our next segment.
What I like about them is everything I've been saying the president
ought to do: is focusing in on his positions, on keeping the nation
secure in very difficult times, what he's been able to do to the economy
after inheriting a very difficult recession, and of course, the economic
impact of 9/11." (3/3/04)

HANNITY: "All right. So this is where I view the economic scenario as we
head into this election. The president inherited a recession." (3/16/04)

HANNITY: "First of all, we've got to put it into perspective, is that
the president inherited a recession." (3/26/04)

HANNITY: "Clearly, we're out of the recession that President Bush
inherited." (4/2/04)

HANNITY: "Stop me where I'm wrong. The president inherited a recession,
the economic impact of 9/11 was tremendous on the economy, correct?"
(4/6/04)

HANNITY: "[President George W. Bush] did inherit a recession." (5/3/04)

HANNITY: "[W]e got [the weak U.S. economy] out of the Clinton-Gore
recession." (5/18/04)

HANNITY: "We got out of the Clinton-Gore recession." (5/27/04)

HANNITY: "We got out of the Clinton-Gore recession." (6/4/04)

FACT: "The recession officially began in March of 2001 -- two months
after Bush was sworn in -- according to the universally acknowledged
arbiter of such things, the National Bureau of Economic Research. And
the president, at other times, has said so himself." (Washington Post,
7/1/03)

HANNITY: "The Hispanic community got to know him in Texas. They went
almost overwhelming for him. He more than quadrupled the Hispanic vote
that he got in that state." (9/16/03)

FACT: Exit polls varied in 1998 governors race, but under best scenario
he increased his Hispanic vote from 24 to 49 percent – a doubling not a
quadrupling. He lost Texas Hispanics to Gore in 2000, 54-43 percent.
(Source: NCLR, NHCSL)

HANNITY: "Look, we've had these reports, very disturbing reports -- and
I have actually spoken to people that have confirmed a lot of the
reports -- about the trashing of the White House. Pornographic materials
left in the printers. They cut the phone lines. Lewd and crude messages
on phone machines. Stripping of anything that was not bolted down on Air
Force One. $200,000 in furniture taken out." (1/26/01)

TRUTH: According to statements from the General Services Administration
that were reported on May 17, little if anything out of the ordinary
occurred during the transition, and "the condition of the real property
was consistent with what we would expect to encounter when tenants
vacate office space after an extended occupancy." (FAIR)

HANNITY: "I never questioned anyone's patriotism." (9/18/03)

FACT:

HANNITY: (to attorney Stanley Cohen) "Is it you hate this president or
that you hate America?" (4/30/03)

HANNITY: "Governor, why wouldn't anyone want to say the Pledge of
Allegiance, unless they detested their own country or were ignorant of
its greatness?" (6/12/03)

HANNITY: "You could explain something about your magazine, [the Nation].
Lisa Featherstone writing about the hate America march, the [anti-war]
march that took place over the weekend..." (1/22/03)

HANNITY: "'I hate America.' This is the extreme left. There is a portion
of the left -- not everybody who's left -- that does hate this country
and blame this country for the ills of the world..." (1/23/02)

HANNITY: (speaking to Sara Flounders co-director of the International
Action Center) "You don't like this country, do you? You don't -- you
think this is an evil country. By your description of it right here, you
think it's a bad country." (9/25/01)

HANNITY: "It doesn't say anywhere in the Constitution this idea of the
separation of church and state." (8/25/03)

FACT: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." (1st Amendment)

"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of
the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers,
both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by
Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test
shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust
under the United States." (Article VI)

HANNITY: "You want to refer to some liberal activist judge..., that's
fine, but I'm going to go directly to the source. The author of the Bill
of Rights [James Madison] hired the first chaplain in 1789, and I gotta'
tell ya' somethin', I think the author of the Bill of Rights knows more
about the original intent--no offense to you and your liberal atheist
activism--knows more about it than you do." (9/4/02)

TRUTH: The first congressional chaplains weren't hired by James
Madison--they were appointed by a committee of the Senate and House in,
respectively, April and May, 1789, before the First Amendment even
existed. James Madison's view: "Is the appointment of Chaplains to the
two Houses of Congress consistent with the Constitution, and with the
pure principle of religious freedom? In strictness the answer on both
points must be in the negative." (James Madison)

HANNITY: "But the Alabama Constitution, which Chief Justice Roy Moore is
sworn to uphold, clearly it says, as a matter of fact that the
recognition of God is the foundation of that state's Constitution."
(8/21/03)

FACT: While the preamble of the Alabama Constitution does reference "the
Almighty," section three provides: "That no religion shall be
established by law; that no preference shall be given by law to any
religious sect, society, denomination, or mode of worship; that no one
shall be compelled by law to attend any place of worship; nor to pay any
tithes, taxes, or other rate for building or repairing any place of
worship, or for maintaining any minister or ministry; that no religious
test shall be required as a qualification to any office or public trust
under this state; and that the civil rights, privileges, and capacities
of any citizen shall not be in any manner affected by his religious
principles." (Alabama Constitution, Section 3)

HANNITY: Betsy, they're not going to lose it [public housing], because
if you work less than 30 hours a week -- if you work more than 30 hours
a week, you don't have to do it. If you're between the ages of 18 and 62
and you're not legally disabled and you have free housing -- in other
words...

BETSY MCCAUGHEY: No. Wait a second, Sean. Let me correct you. Most
people in public housing are not receiving free housing. Many of them
are paying almost market rates.

HANNITY: Betsy, that is so ridiculous and so false, it's hardly even
worth spending the time. (10/23/03)

FACT: Residents of public housing pay rent scaled to their household's
anticipated gross annual income, less deductions for dependents and
disabilities. The basic formula for rent is 30 percent of this monthly
adjusted income. There are exceptions for extremely low incomes, but the
minimum rent is $25 per month. No one lives in public housing for free.
(Department of Housing and Urban Development)

HANNITY: "The Kerry campaign wants to cut taxes on people who make two
hundred thousand dollars. She [Teresa Heinz Kerry] only paid 14.7
percent of her income in taxes, because their plan doesn't go to
dividends, only income. So they don't want to tax themselves." (5/12/04)

FACT: Kerry's plan would "Restore the capital gains and dividend rates
for families making over $200,000 on income earned above $200,000 to
their levels under President Clinton. (Kerry Press Release, 4/7/04)

HANNITY: "He's [Kerry's] flip-flopped all over the place... on the issue
of Iraq. All the munitions that we have built up, most of them wouldn't
be there." (1/30/04)

HANNITY: "But he wanted to cancel????every major weapons system.
Specific votes that he would have canceled the weapons systems we now
use." (2/26/04)

FACT: "In 1991, Kerry opposed an amendment to impose an arbitrary 2
percent cut in the military budget. In 1992, he opposed an amendment to
cut Pentagon intelligence programs by $1 billion. In 1994, he voted
against a motion to cut $30.5 billion from the defense budget over the
next five years and to redistribute the money to programs for education
and the disabled. That same year, he opposed an amendment to postpone
construction of a new aircraft carrier. In 1996, he opposed a motion to
cut six F-18 jet fighters from the budget. In 1999, he voted against a
motion to terminate the Trident II missile." (Slate, 2/25/04)

HANNITY: "If he (Kerry) had his way and the CIA would almost be
nonexistent." (1/30/04)

FACT: John Kerry has supported $200 billion in intelligence funding over
the past seven years - a 50 percent increase since 1996.

Kerry votes supporting intelligence funding:

FY03 Intel Authorization $39.3-$41.3 Billion
[2002, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 9/25/02]

FY02 Intel Authorization $33 Billion
[2001, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 12/13/01]

FY01 Intel Authorization $29.5-$31.5 Billion
[2000, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 12/6/00]

FY00 Intel Authorization $29-$30 Billion
[1999, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 11/19/1999]

FY99 Intel Authorization $29.0 Billion
[1998, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 10/8/98]

FY98 Intel Authorization $26.7 Billion
[1997, Senate Roll Call Vote #109]

FY97 Intel Authorization $26.6 Billion
[1996, Unanimous Senate Voice Vote 9/25/96]

(Source: CDI)

On Nov 27, 3:10*pm, Boater wrote:

Olbermann is not considered a "newscaster," and neither is my gal
Rachel. They are commentators, just like Hannity and O'Rally, but not
nearly as nasty as their Faux News counterparts.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Unfortunately, not nearly as honest and concerened with fairness
either..

Interesting. I've not come across much serious commentary calling
Hannity or O'Rally honest.

That's what happens when you count on intellectually dishonest and
elitist sources for your world view... Stupid out of context or just
plain re-edited (we know you too well) cut and paste aside...

On Nov 27, 2:08*pm, Boater wrote:
wrote:
On Nov 27, 10:04 am, Boater wrote:
Vic Smith wrote:
On Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:31:28 -0500, Boater
wrote:
I've tried a couple of times, but, seriously, it is so obviously biased,
I break out in laughter every time. Most of the mainstream outlets are a
bit more subtle.
I really think MSNBC is the laughing stock of any sane person.
Hey, you can't see Dick Morris make a fool of himself if you don't
watch Fox.
I'm just writing about the "news" programs on Faux. Their commentators,
such as Hannity, O'Rally, and soon, Beck, are just plain trash.
They have their news slant, but actually have a better news arm than
the other networks from what I've seen. *CNN still reigns on the
international front.
I think Hannity and Beck are idiots. *If you can ignore O'Reilly's
pomposity - difficult, but doable - he's not bad if you're interested
in the subject matter he's discussing. *Good polemicist.
You actually get different points of view, agree or not.
All IMHO.
--Vic *
I watched O'Rally a couple of times because I was wondering why
Olbermann kept poking fun at him. I understood almost immediately. You
call O'Rally pompous...I suppose my calling him a gasbag is about the same.

My favorite cable commentator is Rachel Maddow. She's very smart, very
fast, and very nice. Also very funny.

The "Rhode Scholar" *Dike? *She and Barney Frank should become legally
married. At least they would look legitimate.

Rachel is gay. So what? I don't want to have sex with her, I want to be
informed a little and entertained a lot by her. And like Maddow, Frank
is very, very smart. I prefer *smart* political leaders, which probably
is one of the reasons why I disliked George W. Bush so much.

Frank also is at the top of the class in providing *constituents with
the kinds of services that keep getting him re-elected in his district,
and in championing civil right and civil liberties issues. Frank has his
faults and has misstepped a few times, but the same can be said about
everyone else. I appreciate Frank helping to "out" those conservative
Republicans still in the closet who are gay and speak out against gays
and gay rights.

I've never understood the outright hatred some on the right express for
gays.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hey, at least Bush was smart enough to not have to lie about his
education, eh Yale boy?

Boater wrote:
Eisboch wrote:
"Boater" wrote in message
...

Vic Smith wrote:
Seen him many times on Fox news. You should widen your horizons.

--Vic




I've tried a couple of times, but, seriously, it is so obviously
biased, I break out in laughter every time. Most of the mainstream
outlets are a bit more subtle.


Like Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow?

Eisboch


Olbermann and Maddow are commentators, not newscasters. I was talking
about the Faux News *new* shows at first. Then Hannity and O'Rally came
up. They are not newscasters, either.

I enjoyed Olbermann skewer Bush like no one else had the balls to do.

But I like Maddow more. She's a lot more fun. I'd love to have Rachel
and her partner over to dinner.

Where? Your wife's house? Nice!